Simply fighting someone in a comic doesn't make your speed on par with their own. It takes more than that, like at least explicit, non-vague statements of speed in the context.
There are multiple street levelers that have hit Gladiator, and they cannot think, act, or move at even 1% as fast as he does. Its comics. Your own feats determine how good you are for the most part. Its less important (though still arguably important for specific contexts) how you do in fights that are dictated mostly by what the writer wants to show, and not how a computer simulation would actually match the feats up.
J'onn aint as fast as Gladiator.
Originally posted by Golgo13
The red hood and the outlaws showing was pretty uber. Or the one with supergirl in his apartment.
😕 Not enough.
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Even though this ship was old and damaged, it had enough power and speed to traverse from the Shiar empire to Pluto during mid sentence and Gladiator kept up with them, easily. Shiar is located on the other side of the Galaxy and Glads crossed it in seconds.
Originally posted by Stoic
I know that you can't possibly believe that. J'onn only has one power that could possibly defeat Gladiator for the majority, and that's his TP. He's not stronger, faster, or more durable. What happens if Gladiator were able to resist a TP assault? If what you say is true, and J'onn could defeat Gladiator with a moderate amount of effort, how well would he do against Thor, or others in this tier who have had fits against Gladiator in the past?You can't tall me that Thor walk all over him.
Hmmm?
His physical attributes are certainly comparable to Gladiator. Factoring in Martian Vision, massive TP, shape shifting, intangibility, invisibility, etc, the way his power set works simply trumps Gladiator's. I doubt Gladiator could resist J'onn's TP, tbh.
Thor, overall, has superior feats and showings than Gladiator. Sure he's struggled with him, but when he's stopped holding back (both as Eric Masterson and again against a prepped future Gladiator) he was able to hastily end him in a handful of blows.
As far as Thor vs. J'onn goes, it really depends on how well Thor's TP defense is on that day. Barring that, J'onn would give him a fight, but if Thor stopped hold back or cut loose, he'd out perform him, imo.
Carver, shut up about this.
Gladiator was being a 'tard and standing there basking in his "victory". He watched Eric lift his hammer and pull down Living Lightning. There was nothing "sneaky" about what Masterson did at all. Gladiator was just an idiot.
I personally don't feel like rehashing this, so I'd suggest you get a mod ruling or their input one way or the other so it can be put to rest.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Gladiator isn't faster than J'onn in combatYes, that's post-crisis.
His blitzes are faster and this showing is more concrete. The scan you presented doesn't tell us how fast they are going.
Originally posted by carver9
His blitzes are faster and this showing is more concrete. The scan you presented doesn't tell us how fast they are going.
i think glads could very well be faster, but i don't think the difference is enough to make a real difference. glads could possibly be stronger, but likewise not much stronger. he could even be more durable, but see above. to counter those small differences jonn has a widely varied powerset and awesome tp. even if glads CAN resist a full-on mindrape, jonn should at least be able to stun him enough to allow him to finish glads off for a majority imo.
