Originally posted by Sin I AM
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Originally posted by -Pr-I wasn't aware that Cassandra Nova took advantage of his confidence-related abilities. I was under the impression that Cassandra Nova just straight up mind-raped him, along with the rest of the Imperial Guard and the X-Men.
I don't think he'd replicate what they did, as much as he would exploit Gladiator's vulnerability to telepathy in a similar way to Cassandra Nova.
Originally posted by ODGI recall her showing the destruction she caused to the shiar empire, crushing his confidence. dont recall if she was already midnraping him by then
I wasn't aware that Cassandra Nova took advantage of his confidence-related abilities. I was under the impression that Cassandra Nova just straight up mind-raped him, along with the rest of the Imperial Guard and the X-Men.
Originally posted by 753Re-read it. She also had discovered the nature of his confidence-based abilities by mind-raping the Imperial Guard. Needless to say, I don't see how J'onn would have similar access to this information. And that's setting aside other issues like J'onn's telepathy not meeting Cassandra's levels, etc.
I recall her showing the destruction she caused to the shiar empire, crushing his confidence. dont recall if she was already midnraping him by then
Originally posted by ODG
And that's setting aside other issues like J'onn's telepathy not meeting Cassandra's levels, etc.
Originally posted by ODG
^ Who's talking about Xavier? We're talking about Cassandra Nova. The Cass who mindraped Xavier while he was exponentially amped by Cerebro. Whether or not I think Xavier's above J'onn is pretty irrelevant.
Originally posted by ODG
^ You think J'onn is so far above Xavier, that he'd mindrape him while Charles was amplified to the 10th power by Cerebro? Are you kidding me? You can barely make an argument that he's Xavier's equal, much less one that he's exponentially more powerful.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerBullsh1t. I'd battlezone that any day of the week. Xavier combats Phoenixforce hosts, engaged Abstracts like Ego and Galactus (twice), unites and throws planetary population consciousnesses (3x), mindphucks computer intelligences, scanned/communicated across galaxies, and shuts down high heralds like cake. All this is all without Cerebro.
I can make that argument based on J'onn's feats, when he's not being plagued by PIS/CIS. Because they certainly are up the spectrum sufficiently to insinuate that Xavier on his best day would need Cerebro to even begin to compete with J'onn in a tp brawl. Skill-wise, it's up in the air, but range and power go to MM. Hence MM and Casanova are peers imo.
If you thought his best feats came with Cerebro, you're sorely misinformed. And Cassandra completely crapped on Xavier, while he was amped with Cerebro. J'onn would have to stand on a high-chair to kiss Cass' buttcheeks.
Originally posted by ODG
Bullsh1t. I'd battlezone that any day of the week. Xavier combats Phoenixforce hosts, engaged Abstracts like Ego and Galactus (twice), unites and throws planetary population consciousnesses (3x), mindphucks computer intelligences, scanned/communicated across galaxies, and shuts down high heralds like cake. All this is all [b]without Cerebro.If you thought his best feats came with Cerebro, you're sorely misinformed. And Cassandra completely crapped on Xavier, while he was amped with Cerebro. J'onn would have to stand on a high-chair to kiss Cass' buttcheeks. [/B]
From what I have seen, Cerebro gives amplifies his telepathic abilities on a planetary scale, hardly beyond J'onn's capabilities. Skill-wise it can go to Cass, power-wise I am sure it goes to MM. Hence they're peers in my book.
J'onn doesn't have to be cassandra nova's level to mindrape gladiator of all people. J'onn isn't without his high end feats. He has frozen entire JLA with a gesture, thrown spectre+JLA to joker's mind forcibly, mindraped Joker with worloggog, searched entire dimensions and timelines to find flash, thrown every mind on earth in a green martian's mind etc. He's easily at xavier level who's inferior skrull imposter has already mindraped gladiator.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerPerusing Xavier's respect thread will show you pretty much all the feats without Cerebro's aid. Most of the links still work.
I'd like to see scans for the galaxies and Ego(although I can counter that with guys like Mageddon and Dr Destiny) feat. And as long as we're discussing galaxies, MM has scanned a galaxy as well in Heaven's Ladder. As far Galactus goes, the only 2 instances I know of are Secret Wars and the Skrull homeworld's destruction, and in both cases Xavier actually failed to do anything to him. Compare this to J'onn entering the Specte's mind and forcing him into the Astral Plane(JLA#35). On that note I am willing to take you up on your BZ challenge.From what I have seen, Cerebro gives amplifies his telepathic abilities on a planetary scale, hardly beyond J'onn's capabilities. Skill-wise it can go to Cass, power-wise I am sure it goes to MM. Hence they're peers in my book.
You're on for the battlezone. Let's not waste time picking judges, we can agree on em afterwards. 5 posts each. You think J'onn is Cass' peer, who humiliated an amped Xavier. Go ahead and prove it.
Originally posted by ODG
Perusing Xavier's respect thread will show you pretty much all the feats without Cerebro's aid. Most of the links still work.You're on for the battlezone. Let's not waste time picking judges, we can agree on em afterwards. 5 posts each. You think J'onn is Cass' peer, who humiliated an amped Xavier. Go ahead and prove it.
K. The stips seem reasonable enough to me. You get the opening post. We'll discuss time limits(and time zone differentials) later as well along with the judges. Let's dance. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=577694