I like Goku as much as the next person but the fan boyism he gets is ridiculous. The fanboys act like it's a personal insult to say Goku loses and they'll accuse you of being a DBZ hater. Come on, he's just a fictional character! It's not like it's going to hurt Goku's feelings or anything. 🙄
And BloodRain, you are correct in that "god" is overrated since it is so subjective by fictional standards, especially if you try to go by the religious context of it. I mean, there was that "sea god" in Big O and yet it still lost to the Big O. Or that Evangelion Unit-01 became a "god" when it ingested Zeruel's S2 engine but was still crucified by the MP Evas. Also, Kami himself from Dragon Ball fell behind in power and most of the Kaioshins were killed off by Buu despite being the "gods" of DBZ.
Ah, don't you love it when people come in with "X will win" with nothing to back it up?
No, naurtoisbeast, Goku has nothing in this fight.
BeyonderGod
Kami tenchi isnt omnipotent........
1. Needed a human host
2. didnt create existence only re-created it
3. lacks omniscience
What host? He doesn't have a host, he is Tenchi. He was a human-juraian hybrid who eventually became uber, created a trio of goddesses, who created countless universes, one of which he was born in (yes, that's circular. They don't mind).
He created the trio that created everything else.
And personally, I prefer avoiding words like 'omnipotent' and 'omniscient'. A lot of stuff that gets described that way is actually really lacking in the feats department (Like, "Ah ha, X created and omnipotent and omniscient over this universe!... which contains one world... and not everything goes according to his plan."😉
I prefer to stick with more concrete stuff, like "More powerful than a trio of multiverse creators, who are in turn have greater feats than anyone in DBZ, even Whis, let alone SSG Goku."
Oh, and 'has effortless timetravel.'
Originally posted by cdtm
Light hawk wings vs Giga Slave is pretty much one of the staple irresistible force vs immovable object debates in anime.
Source: 101 Questions and Answers of Tenchi Muyo! - 14th question.Question About the secret of Ko-oh-yoku (Wings of the hawk of light?).
Answer It is a manifestation of God's aura. (See what I mean about cryptic?)
More details Ko-oh-yoku is a manifestation of God's aura and not a weapon. Although apart from Tsunami, one Tree can produce only three Ko-oh-yoku, they are enough to protect the entire ship. Ko-oh-yoku does not shut the incoming energy out but converts it to harmless one (one power exists that could pierce them but it requires huge amount of energy and a very big system). Incidentally, to increase the number of Ko-oh-yoku by one, twice as much energy is needed. (ie, Tsunami uses 2^10/2^3 = 2^7 = 128 times as much energy.)
Originally posted by cdtm
Kenchi gods are Marvel high end abstract level by feats. It's not an exaggeration to say the three goddesses are peers of Presence, Living Tribunal, or Lucifer Morningstar.And they're not even the top deities.
Note that this series uses universe and dimension interchangeably, so a dimension isn't spanned by a linear isomorphism, like in m-theory, but rather it's just another word for universe.
Because the former have created 10 dimensions collectively labeled the hyper-dimensions and each is supervised by a dimensional supervisor. The first dimension is supervised by D1, the second by D2, ..., the tenth by D10
As for the Chōsin, their greatest feat is the creation of the hyper-dimensions, ten universes, which really doesn't come close to the infinite multiverses of Marvel or DC.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Kami Tenchi, similar to the Presence or TOAA is a true omnipotent: sorry Q99.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
oh and nearly destroying all of existence just by waking up.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
How so? he's the personification of the author of his series
Besides, even if it was the personification of the writer that in itself doesn't prove anything, just like a metafictional cameo appearance isn't necessarily indicative of power.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
along with being the definite god of his universe so why not?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Pretty sure he got all agitated when being activated prematurely. There was the threat of it until he calmed himself down.
Originally posted by Astner
He's not the personification of Masaki Kajishima, he was named after him—the writer's first name became Tenchi's surname—the fact that the kanji is different 柾木 (Masaki) versus 正樹 (Masaki) should've clued you in on this. Besides, have you seen the high school picture of Masaki Kajishima? He looks nothing like Tenchi. He was fat!Besides, even if it was the personification of the writer that in itself doesn't prove anything, just like a metafictional cameo appearance isn't necessarily indicative of power.
For the same reason Arceus isn't considered omnipotent.
Episode 19, re-watch it.
Arceus isn't even multiversal IIRC. Which would put it below the Chousin who are pretty much LT(lite)
Oh you mean this: YouTube video
So I'll correct myself it wasn't existence but rather the 3rd-dimension
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
It not a literal personification but it is an example of the author inserting himself in the manga.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Also it serves as a comparison to TOAA who can be compared to authors in his representation.
Dr. Doom having his guards subdue and lock up Stan Lee in his dungeons.
Similarly I don't think that Jack Kirby's cameo as god in Fantastic Four #511 wasn't meant to be taken too seriously either. But I digress.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Arceus isn't even multiversal IIRC. Which would put it below the Chousin who are pretty much LT(lite)
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Oh you mean this: ibrkGbKriP8
So I'll correct myself it wasn't existence but rather the 3rd-dimension
Originally posted by Astner
Too bad there aren't any references in the source material to solidify your speculation.
Originally posted by Astner
I disagree. There have been plenty of instances of cameo appearances of writers in Marvel comics where they clearly weren't god.
Dr. Doom having his guards subdue and lock up Stan Lee in his dungeons.Similarly I don't think that Jack Kirby's cameo as god in Fantastic Four #511 wasn't meant to be taken too seriously either. But I digress.
Originally posted by Astner
So the Chōsin are up there with the Living Tribunal because they're able to create ten universes? They're closer to Cube Beings than the Living Tribunal.And it was an awakening in the spiritual sense, not the get-up-out-of-bed sense.
That's what I meant the first time.
Quote from Tenchi 101 facts about Lighthawk Wings:
"14. About the secret of Ko-oh-yoku (Wings of hawk of light?).
Answer:
It is a manifestation of God's aura.
More details ...
Ko-oh-yoku is a manifestation of God's aura and not a weapon. Although apart from Tsunami, one Tree can produce only three Ko-oh-yoku, they are enough to protect the entire ship. Ko-oh-yoku does not shut the incoming energy out but converts it to harmless one (one power exists that could pierce them but it requires huge amount of energy and a very big system)."
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Going by feats, Goku wins.Going by statements, it's unclear.
Goku's never created or destroyed universes. Tenchi created three beings capable of doing so.
It's very clear. Kami Tenchi operates on a much larger scale.
Plus, hey, time abilities. Really not much Goku can do about those anyway.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Kami Tenchi, similar to the Presence or TOAA is a true omnipotent: sorry Q99.There's stuff like time-travelling, creating multiversal creators, oh and nearly destroying all of existence just by waking up.
Being able to create a multiverse doesn't actually mean omnipotent, btw.
Heck, almost destroying all of existence just by waking up would be a mark *against*, believe it or not- if there's an unintended consequence, then that's a mark showing an imperfection.
I prefer to go by simple scale and feats instead. Much harder to misconstrue than the word 'omnipotent,' which means different things to different people.
Originally posted by Q99
Being able to create a multiverse doesn't actually mean omnipotent, btw.Heck, almost destroying all of existence just by waking up would be a mark *against*, believe it or not- if there's an unintended consequence, then that's a mark showing an imperfection.
I prefer to go by simple scale and feats instead. Much harder to misconstrue than the word 'omnipotent,' which means different things to different people.
I saw a more of a means of showing just how powerful the being was but I see your point. However since he pretty much created his entire series, I think that's what would put him at that level. After all nobody question someone like TOAA for feats.
Hence my apology early on for using the word omnipotent. It was the first thing to pop into my head at the time.
