Super Saiyan God Goku vs Kami Tenchi

Originally posted by Astner
This isn't based on the source material.

It's based on their observed effect.

You demagnetize a permanent magnet by either heating it up thus allowing the distribution of electrons to to even out across the metal, and you can't demagnetize an electromagnet unless you cut off the current.

It's an analogy. The point is, you demagnetize a magnet, not by 'pushing stuff against it until it runs out of power,' but by doing something else, be it heating or turning off the current.

Of course this analogy is completely worthless because it's not based on the source material.[quote]

It fits the observed, and, notably, directly stated in Tenchi 101, information.

Your view that they can be overwhelmed with simple force, on the flip side, is in conflict with Tenchi 101 which notes it takes specific methods to defeat them.

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How exactly would this make a change?

Because doing an exotic effect to shut them off is different than simply trying to overwhelm them with force, which as Tenchi 101 states, results in energy 'being converted to a harmless form.'

Keep in mind that we do know that they're composed of finite energy.

And we also know they work by converted stuff into different types of energy that is harmless to them. An attack is not even indicated to be reducing energy in the system. Heck, given by the way the source material says they work, it may add energy.

And again, there are real-life equivalents. Electromagnets take only a constant finite of energy to maintain, and it doesn't matter how many things pass through it's field or push against it, the strength of the field doesn't decrease. Pushing against the field does not drain the energy at any different rate.

There's no canon support to the idea that it uses up energy with use, rather than simply being turned on and off.

Originally posted by Q99
And even Whis is nothing to the Chousin, who created an endless multiverse.

Originally posted by Q99
And even Whis is nothing to the Chousin, who created an endless multiverse.

Originally posted by Q99
And going beyond vague words like 'omnipotent,' we have feats like time travel, undoing the destruction of a galaxy, and dealing with the Counteractor, a being that the cousin couldn't manage without risking destruction of the universe.

Undoing the destruction of a galaxy? Effectiveness against Goku?

"Ha! Take that. I recreated a galaxy!"

Time travel.

"Now I will go back in time and stop you from being born so we can never see who is stronger..."

And why do people hate on Whis.

"someone or other is waaay stronger than whis"
I hear things like this all the time. Its not a very concrete argument. We haven't even seen Whis do anything except unzip matter and rezip it back up to get inside a ship.

If you judge him on anything, judge him on his culinary appreciation.

Whis is mentioned because he is the strongest being in DB canon, currently.

Zero feats, but a strong implication he's stronger then Goku, and possibly Bills as well (By how easily he put Bills to sleep when he was rampaging around after eating over-spicy fish, destroying moons in the process.)

Originally posted by naurtoisbeast
i think goku will win here

And your opinion is wrong, of course.

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Undoing the destruction of a galaxy? Effectiveness against Goku?

"Ha! Take that. I recreated a galaxy!"

Time travel.

"Now I will go back in time and stop you from being born so we can never see who is stronger..."

People who don't exist do *tend* not to be very strong, yes 🙂

But the simple matter is the high-dimension Tenchiverse powers limit themselves because simply fully manifesting inside a 3d universe would destroy it. "Destroy the universe for powering up" is pretty impressive by DB standards, especially if the other foe is inside the universe at the time.

"someone or other is waaay stronger than whis"
I hear things like this all the time. Its not a very concrete argument. We haven't even seen Whis do anything except unzip matter and rezip it back up to get inside a ship.

Well he's certainly not multiverse-creator level 🙂

Originally posted by Q99
And even Whis is nothing to the Chousin, who created an endless multiverse.

Originally posted by Q99
And even Whis is nothing to the Chousin, who created an endless multiverse.

narutoisbeast get the **** out here

Haha

Kami tenchi isnt omnipotent..............

From the Canon OVA:
Z: "Their goal is to create something that would surpass themselves. But they cant create that on their own. So they have to try to bring out anomalies that they cant predict themselves. Breaking the preestablished harmony of all space-time and then restoring the broken harmony at the end of that chaos. They've been waiting for the birth of those who'd possess the power to fight Tokimi when called to do so. The ones who can create Light-Hawk Wings, the very power, the life force of the choushin Myself and you!."

Tsunami: "A distant past, infinite layers of infinite time ago...with our omnipotence, we began existence from that instant. But we were troubled by a single contradiction. The trauma of the existence of a being greater than ourselves. However, we are omnipotent. And that counters the existence of higher beings."

Masaki: "That's the contradiction?"

Tsunami: "Yes. In an effort to find the hole in our omnipotence we spent infinite time conducting trail-and-error experiments."

Washu Habuki: "Incidentally,these were thought experiments and not actual tests."

Tsunami : "And so we continued to conduct infinitely more experiments over infinitely more time."

Ryoko: "Zero couldn't recognize Tokimi back then...It had perfect knowledge, so why couldn't It grasp her existence?"

Tokimi: "The Hyper-Dimensional does not abide by the laws of our lower worlds. Of course it wouldn't not understand."

Ryoko: "So who's to say you're not experiments of even higher beings?"

Tsunami: "As Ryoko-san suggests,that possibility does exist."

Tokimi: "But we cannot accept it! there are no facts or logic for us to do so!"

Washu Habuki: "So we were pretty stuck, but as a test, I wiped my memory,sealed my power inside the gems. Became an ordinary human, and sought out knowledge from square one."

Tsunami: "I used my own being as a base to try to bring forth a new life form with each successive generation."

Tokimi: "In an attempted to produce irregularities from the distortions. The possibility ultimately borne from that was Z. But that possibility collapsed."

Nothing close to Omnipotence.

But he casually beats DBZ.

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