Lol...stop using real world physics for a comic and why would he run when he can fly?Because you seem to think he can run faster than he can fly, and often times people's lives, or even the planet is in danger and Goku has to freakin' hurry. Before he knew IT, that meant he had to fly.
And Goku is plainly visible while fighting otherwise his enemies wouldn't be able to defend themselves, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Their short burst of combat speed is faster unless you can prove otherwise. Goku during his teen days moved so fast DURING COMBAT that Kami with his godly eyes was unable to detect him (and that includes Roshi and Krillin who sees bullets in slow mo) but when they fly we don't get the same results. The proof is on you my friend.
Do the characters use flight in their fights or not? Answer that.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...it was the same attack, same position, etc... Raditz tanked it and Piccolo was surprised. Don't know why Piccolo would hold anything back when his goal was to kill raditz. Do you think Master Roshi could kill Saiyan Saga Goku?
So you don't really know for sure, you're just going by the way it looks? Sorry, that's not good enough. If it was moon-busting, it would have done more damage than that and I don't see why Piccolo would feel the need to immediately use that on an opponent he doesn't even know. Plus, he never even claimed it was moon-busting.
And no, I don't think Roshi could kill Saiyan Saga Goku (although this doesn't suddenly mean he can take a moon-busting attack, if that's what you're implying).
Mix up the two above replies and we have Goku both running and flying at ultrasupremederp speeds within, oh I don't know, about a hundred or more meters? As soon as its above that, his flying speed is drastically reduced to a millionth of that speed.
That's like Superman being able to fly at the speed of a lighting bolt for a second only to fly as fast as an arrow when going further/longer.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because you seem to think he can run faster than he can fly, and often times [b]people's lives, or even the planet is in danger and Goku has to freakin' hurry. Before he knew IT, that meant he had to fly.And Goku is plainly visible while fighting otherwise his enemies wouldn't be able to defend themselves, lol. [/B]
Lol...He is visible to the fighter that is as powerful as him but is invisible to others that isn't as powerful but Hercule can see them flying away whereas him along with other Z fighters are unable to see Goku during combat.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Mix up the two above replies and we have Goku both running and flying at ultrasupremederp speeds within, oh I don't know, about a hundred or more meters? As soon as its above that, his flying speed is drastically reduced to a millionth of that speed.That's like Superman being able to fly at the speed of a lighting bolt for a second only to fly as fast as an arrow when going further/longer.
Terrible example. Superman has flown FTL through space but doesn't have a single combat showing with him moving at FTL or even light speed. Nothing. Surfer as well. Surfer has flown FTL but he doesn't have one showing during combat with him fight FTL.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Do the characters use flight in their fights or not? Answer that.So you don't really know for sure, you're just going by the way it looks? Sorry, that's not good enough. If it was moon-busting, it would have done more damage than that and I don't see why Piccolo would feel the need to immediately use that on an opponent he doesn't even know. Plus, he never even claimed it was moon-busting.
And no, I don't think Roshi could kill Saiyan Saga Goku (although this doesn't suddenly mean he can take a moon-busting attack, if that's what you're implying).
No...they use reflexes.
So Roshi can kill Frieza or a Super Saiyan with his moon busting attack? He can kill Saiyan saga Vegeta with his moon busting attack. Also...just thought about it. Goku and Vegeta during the Saiyan saga exchanged planet busting energy and Goku power overpowered Vegetas. Vegeta was hit by the attack but survived (planet busting).
Originally posted by carver9Its only terrible because you failed to grasp the point of it, besides seeing Superman and instantly finding some anti comment. It has nothing to do with Supes.
Terrible example. Superman has flown FTL through space but doesn't have a single combat showing with him moving at FTL or even light speed. Nothing. Surfer as well. Surfer has flown FTL but he doesn't have one showing during combat with him fight FTL.
The example is that a character can freely fly around (so disregarding dashing bursts or locomotion being slightly slower somehow) within a thousand feet, minimum fight area, at MFTL speeds.. but once they try to move a greater distance their flight, for unspecified reasons, slows them down to MHS speeds.
At least 1/1,000,000th the speed :l
Again, for unspecified reasons.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Its only terrible because you failed to grasp the point of it, besides seeing Superman and instantly finding some anti comment. It has nothing to do with Supes.The example is that a character can freely fly around (so disregarding dashing bursts or locomotion being slightly slower somehow) within a thousand feet, minimum fight area, at MFTL speeds.. but once they try to move a greater distance their flight, for unspecified reasons, slows them down to MHS speeds.
At least 1/1,000,000th the speed :l
Again, for unspecified reasons.
Akira just had a habit of displaying DBZ characters fighting speeds at a better rate than their flight speed. Example...Frieza death beam was so fast that non of the Z fighters was able to see it (i honestly think that attack was FTL) but Vegeta was able to see and respond to the attack. Goku was able to effortlessly slap these same attacks out of the air with minimum difficulty (and with one hand) but their flight speed was no where near as fast.
No matter how fast Roshi blast made it to the moon, any Z fighter would be able to react to it. Don't you agree?
Originally posted by carver9
No...they use reflexes.
Wrong. They do use flight.
Originally posted by carver9
So Roshi can kill Frieza or a Super Saiyan with his moon busting attack? He can kill Saiyan saga Vegeta with his moon busting attack. Also...just thought about it. Goku and Vegeta during the Saiyan saga exchanged planet busting energy and Goku power overpowered Vegetas. Vegeta was hit by the attack but survived (planet busting).
And yet, none of those blasts ever actually destroyed a planet.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Wrong. They do use flight.And yet, none of those blasts ever actually destroyed a planet.
Like I've stated before, their burst of speed is faster than their actual flight speed unless you can prove otherwise. You have no proof...that's why you keep barking the same thing.
He was hit directly with it and it was stated during the beginning of the blast (before extra power was added to it) that it was planet busting.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I've stated before, their burst of speed is faster than their actual flight speed unless you can prove otherwise. You have no proof...that's why you keep barking the same thing.
They use their flight speed in the middle of their fights. That's the one thing you're blatantly ignoring.
Originally posted by carver9
He was hit directly with it and it was stated during the beginning of the blast (before extra power was added to it) that it was planet busting.
It still didn't actually destroy a planet, though.
Besides, a much stronger Goku died from a planet busting attack later on.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
They use their flight speed in the middle of their fights. That's the one thing you're blatantly ignoring.It still didn't actually destroy a planet, though.
Besides, a much stronger Goku died from a planet busting attack later on.
So you have that proof i have been asking for? Question...could Super Saiyan Goku deflect the blast that Piccolo used to destroy the moon (when he was at a power level of 350)?
Bro smash...you have to come at me better than this my friend.
Galactus nearly got killed from a blast that didn't even lay waste to the mountain beside him.
Thor got killed from a blast that didn't even level the mountain he was on.
Superman got killed by a punch that didn't do anything to the city.
Thanos got dropped by a blast that didn't even have the width of a Nuke.
The point is...it's not the circumference of the blast it's the wielder power that is generating said power. The planet being destroyed is the side effect, Cell power is what killed Goku unless again...you honestly believe Nappa could killed Galactus with ease.
Originally posted by carver9
So you have that proof i have been asking for? Question...could Super Saiyan Goku deflect the blast that Piccolo used to destroy the moon (when he was at a power level of 350)?
He's never done it before so I don't know.
Originally posted by carver9
Bro smash...you have to come at me better than this my friend.Galactus nearly got killed from a blast that didn't even lay waste to the mountain beside him.
Thor got killed from a blast that didn't even level the mountain he was on.
Superman got killed by a punch that didn't do anything to the city.
Thanos got dropped by a blast that didn't even have the width of a Nuke.
The point is...it's not the circumference of the blast it's the wielder power that is generating said power. The planet being destroyed is the side effect, Cell power is what killed Goku unless again...you honestly believe Nappa could killed Galactus with ease.
First of all, you can't compare a punch to a blast.
Second have they ever taken anything far worse than that? Because if they have, then all of that is pointless.
And third, I'd rather you show me what you're talking.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
He's never done it before so I don't know.First of all, you can't compare a punch to a blast.
Second have they ever taken anything far worse than that? Because if they have, then all of that is pointless.
And third, I'd rather you show me what you're talking.
I'm asking you if he could react to the blast.
Majority of the people I brought up have been dropped by far less "on Average". Example...Thor has died twice by a blast that didn't do anything to the planet or the area they were in. Hell, Thor got killed from a bullet to the head.
Thanos has been dropped twice by a blast resembling a Nuke.
It was stated not to long ago that a planetary blast could kill Galactus and Superman just stated that there is only one being in the entire Universe that has the power to destroy a freaking planet.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-05-27-20-58-27_zps2b55bf51.png.html?
So are we really arguing collateral damage here because if so, Nappa is more powerful than the entire DCNU.
Originally posted by carver9That has nothing to do with a comparison in this combat/travel speed argument. All that says is that Goku can react to something faster than Vegeta can react.. nothing to do with this argument.
Akira just had a habit of displaying DBZ characters fighting speeds at a better rate than their flight speed. Example...Frieza death beam was so fast that non of the Z fighters was able to see it (i honestly think that attack was FTL) but Vegeta was able to see and respond to the attack. Goku was able to effortlessly slap these same attacks out of the air with minimum difficulty (and with one hand) but their flight speed was no where near as fast.No matter how fast Roshi blast made it to the moon, any Z fighter would be able to react to it. Don't you agree?
I can even see by the first sentence that you're deviating from what j posted. I'm asking you why it makes sense that Goku can fly around hundreds of feet, which is his actual combat area, literally millions (more zeros from what I see people claim) of times faster then when he flies any distance more than that.
Originally posted by BloodRain
That has nothing to do with a comparison in this combat/travel speed argument. All that says is that Goku can react to something faster than Vegeta can react.. nothing to do with this argument.I can even see by the first sentence that you're deviating from what j posted. I'm asking you why it makes sense that Goku can fly around hundreds of feet, which is his actual combat area, literally millions (more zeros from what I see people claim) of times faster then when he flies any distance more than that.
Because his short bursts of speed requires less energy than his travel speed and as stated before the proof is there that his combat speed is>>>> flight speed. Piccolo on his best day with a power level of 350 couldn't dream of hitting Saiyan Saga Goku with a blast without Goku letting him and Piccolo has shot a blast that made it to the moon instantly. That's reflexes. When it comes to actually keeping up with said blast via flight. Goku flying beside it...seeing if he can beat that blast to the moon...I have no way of proving that he can or cant.
Couple things.
Piccolo did not use the Special Beam Cannon he used on Raditz to destroy the moon. It's a visibly different attack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaqRVvm6tI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJ-Z1BXMQc
The moon in the BD world is impossibly weak, as Master Roshi with a PL of around 140-180 (28-36 farmers) was able to bust it. Unless you think the power of 28-36 farmers (ep 1 DBZ) can obliterate a normal moon.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm asking you if he could react to the blast.
Yeah, he obviously can react to the blast. It's a slow attack.
Originally posted by carver9
Majority of the people I brought up have been dropped by far less "on Average". Example...Thor has died twice by a blast that didn't do anything to the planet or the area they were in. Hell, Thor got killed from a bullet to the head.Thanos has been dropped twice by a blast resembling a Nuke.
It was stated not to long ago that a planetary blast could kill Galactus and Superman just stated that there is only one being in the entire Universe that has the power to destroy a freaking planet.
But have they taken WORSE before? That's what I'm asking.
Originally posted by carver9
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-05-27-20-58-27_zps2b55bf51.png.html?So are we really arguing collateral damage here because if so, Nappa is more powerful than the entire DCNU.
Like I said, you can't compare a blast to a punch. Two different types of attacks.
Also, none of this changes the fact that neither Goku or Vegeta's blast actually destroyed Earth.
Originally posted by Robtard
Couple things.Piccolo did not use the Special Beam Cannon he used on Raditz to destroy the moon. It's a visibly different attack.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaqRVvm6tI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJ-Z1BXMQcThe moon in the BD world is impossibly weak, as Master Roshi with a PL of around 140-180 (28-36 farmers) was able to bust it. Unless you think the power of 28-36 farmers (ep 1 DBZ) can obliterate a normal moon.
To be fair, pretty sure the Roshi feat is an outlier as nothing of that level is replicated until the Saiyan Saga
And, well, power levels are bullshit
Originally posted by carver9
Because his short bursts of speed requires less energy than his travel speed and as stated before the proof is there that his combat speed is>>>> flight speed. Piccolo on his best day with a power level of 350 couldn't dream of hitting Saiyan Saga Goku with a blast without Goku letting him and Piccolo has shot a blast that made it to the moon instantly. That's reflexes. When it comes to actually keeping up with said blast via flight. Goku flying beside it...seeing if he can beat that blast to the moon...I have no way of proving that he can or cant.
Why does it happen only over a couple hundred feet, and why is a couple hundred foot 'combat area' when it's so large, but longer than that must be different?
Why is the speed so drastic. Remember, you're claiming his combat flight speed is at /least/ Mach 1,000,000 when travel flight speed is only Mach 1,000.
Now, I've disregarded your 'takes too much ki' point. Reason being that this is a character who has the ki to fire off planet busters, while doing 'ftl combat speed' for an hour.. but flying at full speed (when he really need a to) for only a couple seconds takes too much? Only reason that could makes sense is if they choose not to.
Well there's also if for some reason it takes too much ki to move that fast for a few seconds.....
...which is countered by the fact that the 'combat speed flight' can last a minute or longer, as proven in fights where they appear invisible to all but the highly trained. That's proof that they can keep up this speed constantly for a good while.
So explain.
