Sentry vs. Goku

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. Except the scan didn't show that it was instant. That's just something you're claiming.

2. You know, instead of trying to use the consistency excuse to work in your favor, why not just go by the worst punishment they took? And even if you do want to go by consistency, then you'd have to admit that DBZ characters can't take moon/planet-busting attacks, as they've never done it consistently. Of course, it's not like there was any proof that the blast Piccolo hit Raditz with was moon-busting anyway and yet, you STILL like to claim it is.

3. Okay, which scan are you referring to? Because I must have overlooked it.

It was fast enough to make it to the moon as soon as Piccolo raised his hand. Instantly was a metaphor bust it sure as hell wasn't close to slow unless you can prove otherwise.

So you admit that Master Roshi and Piccolo with a power level of 350 can kill Super Saiyan Goku? And Piccolo had no reason to hold back during his attack since he was trying to kill Raditz.

This is the scan I am talking about...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-05-27-20-58-27_zps2b55bf51.png.html?

So since collateral damage mean power per Bro Smash, with that said per Superman's admission...First form Frieza is more powerful than everybody in DC Universe, correct?

Originally posted by carver9
It was fast enough to make it to the moon as soon as Piccolo raised his hand. Instantly was a metaphor bust it sure as hell wasn't close to slow unless you can prove otherwise.

So you admit that Master Roshi and Piccolo with a power level of 350 can kill Super Saiyan Goku and Piccolo had no reason to hold back during his attack since he was trying to kill Raditz.

This is the scan I am talking about...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-05-27-20-58-27_zps2b55bf51.png.html?

So since collateral damage mean power per Bro Smash, with that said per Superman's admission...First form Frieza is more powerful than everybody in DC Universe, correct?

1. You still didn't even prove how fast it was.

2. According to your consistency argument, yeah, you'd have to admit that too. And you know as well as I do that the characters aren't dumb enough to waste up all of their energy in one go. After all, Piccolo's power didn't completely decrease after that blast so yeah, that means he did hold back.

3. Wait, hold on, it says "there's only one being in this universe that has the power to destroy a world" so how do you know he meant that in the same way you think he meant it?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. You still didn't even prove how fast it was.

2. According to your consistency argument, yeah, you'd have to admit that too. And you know as well as I do that the characters aren't dumb enough to waste up all of their energy in one go. After all, Piccolo's power didn't completely decrease after that blast so yeah, that means he did hold back.

3. Wait, hold on, it says "there's only one being in this universe that has the power to destroy a [b]world" so how do you know he meant that in the same way you think he meant it? [/B]

The blast made it to the moon as soon as he raised his hands...that's pretty got darn fast. Some people say it's a light speed showing. Depends on how you look at it.

I don't have to admit ANYTHING since it is common sense that Roshi nor Piccolo during that era couldn't hurt a freaking Super Saiyan...let alone Saiyan saga Goku. Do you honestly think Roshi blast is more powerful than every attack Frieza hit Goku with? What about Cell? Do you think Roshi attack is more powerful than every attack Cell hit Goku with? What about Kid Buu? Do you think Roshi attack is more powerful than every attack Kid buu hit Goku with? Common freaking sense.

Lol...Piccolo effortlessly destroyed the moon and he sure as hell wasn't close to being exhausted either and was in no shock when he destroyed it with a casual attack. He was shocked as hell when Raditz stood there and withstood his attack without flinching which tells us what (use that brain of yours)?

My scan states (from Superman own mouth) that only "one being in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE can destroy a planet" which means that First form Frieza is more powerful than the entirety of DCNU minus one being. Do you not understand how this makes DCU look compared to DBZ characters? Terrible if we base things off of collateral damage. Frieza destroyed a planet with two fingers but we have the entirety of DC Universe not even comparing to that type of power minus Darkseid. So again, do we agree that First Form Frieza index finger is more powerful than everyone in that universe?

Originally posted by carver9
The blast made it to the moon as soon as he raised his hands...that's pretty got darn fast. Some people say it's a light speed showing. Depends on how you look at it.

I don't have to admit ANYTHING since it is common sense that Roshi nor Piccolo during that era couldn't hurt a freaking Super Saiyan...let alone Saiyan saga Goku. Do you honestly think Roshi blast is more powerful than every attack Frieza hit Goku with? What about Cell? Do you think Roshi attack is more powerful than every attack Cell hit Goku with? What about Kid Buu? Do you think Roshi attack is more powerful than every attack Kid buu hit Goku with? Common freaking sense.

Lol...Piccolo effortlessly destroyed the moon and he sure as hell wasn't close to being exhausted either and was in no shock when he destroyed it with a casual attack. He was shocked as hell when Raditz stood there and withstood his attack without flinching which tells us what (use that brain of yours)?

My scan states (from Superman own mouth) that only "one being in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE can destroy a planet" which means that First form Frieza is more powerful than the entirety of DCNU minus one being. Do you not understand how this makes DCU look compared to DBZ characters? Terrible if we base things off of collateral damage. Frieza destroyed a planet with two fingers but we have the entirety of DC Universe not even comparing to that type of power minus Darkseid. So again, do we agree that First Form Frieza index finger is more powerful than everyone in that universe?

1. So you don't actually know how fast it was? Just that it looks really fast? That's not saying much, carver.

2. It's not about what I think, I'm just going by your "consistency" argument. The characters have never consistently taken a moon or planet busting attack while at the same time, they're always getting hurt or killed by far less, thus, it's been consistently shown that it doesn't take moon or planet busting attacks to kill them. Take it however you want but it all comes from YOUR argument.

3. Why in the world would Piccolo be shocked at destroying the moon when that was the reason for the blast in the first place? And also, it wasn't like Piccolo was fighting immediately after destroying the moon so you can't say he didn't use up a great deal of his power. Though still, it doesn't matter. He didn't hit Raditz with a moon busting attack and you know it.

4. None of that answered the question. Again, how you do know he meant it the way you think he meant it?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. So you don't actually know how fast it was? Just that it looks really fast? That's not saying much, carver.

2. It's not about what I think, I'm just going by your "consistency" argument. The characters have never consistently taken a moon or planet busting attack while at the same time, they're always getting hurt or killed by far less, thus, it's been consistently shown that it doesn't take moon or planet busting attacks to kill them. Take it however you want but it all comes from YOUR argument.

3. Why in the world would Piccolo be shocked at destroying the moon when that was the reason for the blast in the first place? And also, it wasn't like Piccolo was fighting immediately after destroying the moon so you can't say he didn't use up a great deal of his power. Though still, it doesn't matter. He didn't hit Raditz with a moon busting attack and you know it.

4. None of that answered the question. Again, how you do know he meant it the way you think he meant it?

I don't need a figure to know that Piccolo raised his hand and the blast was there as soon as he unleashed the attack. Seem close to if not at light speed to me and the crazy thing about it is, Goku at his near weakest could react to it.

2. A moon or a planet doesn't have to blow up for it to be greater than a moon buster. I feel safe at saying (unless I am a retard to think otherwise and no, I'm not calling you that) that every attack Frieza, Cell, and Buu unleashed on Goku during the time they were trying to kill him is greater than anything Piccolo (with a power level of 350) and Roshi could dream about conjuring and this is me using common sense. I'm not the one that debate using collateral damage as my argument so don't try to twist that nonsense on me and yes...i agree with you, they do get hurt by a blast that doesn't blow up a planet every time it is shot but so does Galactus, Silver Surfer (he nearly died from a meteorite that had enough power to level a building), Eternity...etc... do you not understand how retarded this argument is? You are literally saying that every powerful blast that is used in any showing is an indication of someone's durability. This leads back to the people I've named that got killed by blasts that didn't even level a building and I am talking about abstracts and Cosmic beings. With that said, is Nappa finger up blast that destroyed a city...is it more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku blast that disintegrated kid Buu (vet did nothing to the landscape...Especially the damage Nappa blast did).

Why would Piccolo be shocked at Raditz tanking his blast if it wasn't as great if not greater than his RANDOM blast that he shot at the moon? Just take the time to think for a bit Mr. Collateral damage. And yes...He hit Raditz with either a moon busting (since his moon busting attack was casual) or a blast far greater since he was in awe that Raditz tanked it (and the second time he attacked Raditz with a blast he made sure he put more power into it instead of using anything other than what he used before...the special Beam canon).

Again, use your brain. It's plain and clear what Superman said. Maybe if I capitalize if for you. Here...read. THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE THAT HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY A PLANET. What else could that mean? Tell me another way you can interpret this because this seems cut and dry to me...unlesssssssss, you are trying to avoid something. So again, is Frieza more powerful than everyone in DCU due to collateral damage?

Originally posted by carver9
I don't need a figure to know that Piccolo raised his hand and the blast was there as soon as he unleashed the attack. Seem close to if not at light speed to me and the crazy thing about it is, Goku at his near weakest could react to it.

2. A moon or a planet doesn't have to blow up for it to be greater than a moon buster. I feel safe at saying (unless I am a retard to think otherwise and no, I'm not calling you that) that every attack Frieza, Cell, and Buu unleashed on Goku during the time they were trying to kill him is greater than anything Piccolo (with a power level of 350) and Roshi could dream about conjuring and this is me using common sense. I'm not the one that debate using collateral damage as my argument so don't try to twist that nonsense on me and yes...i agree with you, they do get hurt by a blast that doesn't blow up a planet every time it is shot but so does Galactus, Silver Surfer (he nearly died from a meteorite that had enough power to level a building), Eternity...etc... do you not understand how retarded this argument is? You are literally saying that every powerful blast that is used in any showing is an indication of someone's durability. This leads back to the people I've named that got killed by blasts that didn't even level a building and I am talking about abstracts and Cosmic beings. With that said, is Nappa finger up blast that destroyed a city...is it more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku blast that disintegrated kid Buu (vet did nothing to the landscape...Especially the damage Nappa blast did).

Why would Piccolo be shocked at Raditz tanking his blast if it wasn't as great if not greater than his RANDOM blast that he shot at the moon? Just take the time to think for a bit Mr. Collateral damage. And yes...He hit Raditz with either a moon busting (since his moon busting attack was casual) or a blast far greater since he was in awe that Raditz tanked it (and the second time he attacked Raditz with a blast he made sure he put more power into it instead of using anything other than what he used before...the special Beam canon).

Again, use your brain. It's plain and clear what Superman said. Maybe if I capitalize if for you. Here...read. THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON IN THE UNIVERSE THAT HAS THE POWER TO DESTROY A PLANET. What else could that mean? Tell me another way you can interpret this because this seems cut and dry to me...unlesssssssss, you are trying to avoid something. So again, is Frieza more powerful than everyone in DCU due to collateral damage?

1. I'm pretty sure a lot of them would react to it if they see it coming far away.

2. You see, the problem is you're using two different ways of arguing to make your point. You can't use the "common sense" excuse for DBZ and the "consistent" excuse for Marvel or DC. Again, if you want to use the "consistency", then you'd have to admit that the DBZ characters that they've consistently been hurt by less than planet/moonbusting attacks. If you want to use the "common sense" argument, then you'd have to admit that the DC/Marvel characters...wait, scratch that, you got PROOF that they've taken far worse than what you keep showing and that's a lot more clear than the "common sense" excuse you keep using for DBZ characters.

3. You're acting like it's unusual for somebody to be shocked that somebody else didn't even flinch at blast they intended to kill (or at least seriously hurt) them with. Seriously, think about; would you be shocked if you intended for something to happen and it didn't work even a little bit?

So it doesn't in anyway indicated that he used all of his power or that he used a moon-busting attack. Like I said, it only kicked up dust and it was only directed at one person, not a whole moon.

4. He said world, not planet. Stop lying. And there's many ways to destroy the world; he could mean kill things on it, ruling it (after all, he is a ruler), or many different things. Destroying a world doesn't just mean "blowing up a planet". Heck, he probably isn't just referring to Earth anyway. Either way, this just shows that even YOU don't seem to truly know what he meant.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. I'm pretty sure a lot of them would react to it if they see it coming far away.

2. You see, the problem is you're using two different ways of arguing to make your point. You can't use the "common sense" excuse for DBZ and the "consistent" excuse for Marvel or DC. Again, if you want to use the "consistency", then you'd have to admit that the DBZ characters that they've consistently been hurt by less than planet/moonbusting attacks. If you want to use the "common sense" argument, then you'd have to admit that the DC/Marvel characters...wait, scratch that, you got PROOF that they've taken far worse than what you keep showing and that's a lot more clear than the "common sense" excuse you keep using for DBZ characters.

3. You're acting like it's unusual for somebody to be shocked that somebody else didn't even flinch at blast they intended to kill (or at least seriously hurt) them with. Seriously, think about; would you be shocked if you intended for something to happen and it didn't work even a little bit?

So it doesn't in anyway indicated that he used all of his power or that he used a moon-busting attack. Like I said, it only kicked up dust and it was only directed at one person, not a whole moon.

4. He said [b]world, not planet. Stop lying. And there's many ways to destroy the world; he could mean kill things on it, ruling it (after all, he is a ruler), or many different things. Destroying a world doesn't just mean "blowing up a planet". Heck, he probably isn't just referring to Earth anyway. Either way, this just shows that even YOU don't seem to truly know what he meant. [/B]

Doesn't have to be far away. It can be close up and they would still react to it. Just the way DBZ is my friend.

What in the world are you talking about? I think DBZ characters can consistently take moon busting attacks since I also believe that Goku durability is greater than Master Roshi power output. Cell blasts>>>>anything Roshi could do. Then when it comes to consistency, moon busting and planet busting is right there since when attempted they never failed...so again, yes, imo along with 90% of the people that knows anything about DBZ, I don't think Roshi could kill Goku. Like I've stated...this subject requires you to think. Just THINK.

Not that it's unusual, the unusual thing is that you actually believe THAT version of Piccolo would hold back anything when overall he giggled at the fact of killing both Goku and Raditz with a powerful blast (more powerful than his moon busting). But again, you are basing Raditz tanking said attack off of collateral damage when overall it's the same attack. I know one thing, that attack that Raditz tanked is more powerful than Roshi moon busting attack since that version of Piccolo is far above Roshi (common sense). You avoided my question. Is Roshi Moon busting attack more powerful than anything Cell hit Goku with? Another thing, Frieza body endured a planets explosion but yet he was sliced to shreds by Trunks sword. Goku blocked that same sword with one finger and Trunk grabbed that same sword that was swung at him with one hand. What does that tell us?

4. Lol...this is the most retarded argument i have heard of in my life. It all boils down to NO ONE IN DCNU HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY A WORLD/PLANET UNDER THEIR OWN POWER EXCEPT ONE PERSON. We didn't get an indication on if it was physical or a blast...it said no one could do it which means that both should apply unless stated otherwise. Superman comment is open ended. I can't believe I have to explain this. Now again, since we are basing things off of collateral damage First form Frieza index fingef is more powerful than everyone in DCNU, correct?

Originally posted by carver9
When did Nimbus fly at invisible speeds?

Originally posted by BloodRain
When it blitzed in and saved Gohan literally right under Nappa's foot. Your one difference is that travel speed was visible while combat speed was not, even though a flying cloud does the very same thing.

Isn't the same thing. Not even close to being the same thing since we didn't see it flying...the only thing we see is Nappa foot and Gohan gone. I asked you for something flying...as in in the air flying...not us seeing a foot and a short a panel with Gohan gone. Scans of a Z fighter flying and completely invisible to the necked eye (super human necked eye). You'll never find it.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't have to be far away. It can be close up and they would still react to it. Just the way DBZ is my friend.

What in the world are you talking about? I think DBZ characters can consistently take moon busting attacks since I also believe that Goku durability is greater than Master Roshi power output. Cell blasts>>>>anything Roshi could do. Then when it comes to consistency, moon busting and planet busting is right there since when attempted they never failed...so again, yes, imo along with 90% of the people that knows anything about DBZ, I don't think Roshi could kill Goku. Like I've stated...this subject requires you to think. Just THINK.

Not that it's unusual, the unusual thing is that you actually believe THAT version of Piccolo would hold back anything when overall he giggled at the fact of killing both Goku and Raditz with a powerful blast (more powerful than his moon busting). But again, you are basing Raditz tanking said attack off of collateral damage when overall it's the same attack. I know one thing, that attack that Raditz tanked is more powerful than Roshi moon busting attack since that version of Piccolo is far above Roshi (common sense). You avoided my question. Is Roshi Moon busting attack more powerful than anything Cell hit Goku with? Another thing, Frieza body endured a planets explosion but yet he was sliced to shreds by Trunks sword. Goku blocked that same sword with one finger and Trunk grabbed that same sword that was swung at him with one hand. What does that tell us?

4. Lol...this is the most retarded argument i have heard of in my life. It all boils down to NO ONE IN DCNU HAVE THE POWER TO DESTROY A WORLD/PLANET UNDER THEIR OWN POWER EXCEPT ONE PERSON. We didn't get an indication on if it was physical or a blast...it said no one could do it which means that both should apply unless stated otherwise. Superman comment is open ended. I can't believe I have to explain this. Now again, since we are basing things off of collateral damage First form Frieza index fingef is more powerful than everyone in DCNU, correct?

1. No, it really isn't. There's no way they'd dodge that up close.

2. Again, you're making assumptions. Goku has never actually taken moon-busting or planet-busting attacks. Not once has it ever been stated he could so it's really silly to claim it's consistent when there was never any actual evidence in the first place.

3. You just admitted that the blast Piccolo hit Goku and Raditz with was more powerful than the one he first hit Raditz with so yeah, that also shows that he was holding back. And again, that blast clearly wasn't moon-busting. It was never stated to be and it would have done more than just kick up some dust. You want to talk about using common sense, THIS is the perfect time to use it. As for your question about Roshi (which I didn't "avoid" because I never saw it), to be honest, yes, because Cell wasn't using moon-busting attacks on Goku. And as for all of that other stuff about Freiza's body surviving and then getting sliced by Trunks, it doesn't really tell us anything, except Trunks's attack was more direct than the planet explosion.

4. You finally solved the whole problem; you don't know exactly how he meant it, because "destroying the world" could mean plenty of other things besides just blowing it up with a blast, so you can stop asking that question now because it's obviously irrelevant.

Originally posted by carver9
Isn't the same thing. Not even close to being the same thing since we didn't see it flying...the only thing we see is Nappa foot and Gohan gone. I asked you for something flying...as in in the air flying...not us seeing a foot and a short a panel with Gohan gone. Scans of a Z fighter flying and completely invisible to the necked eye (super human necked eye). You'll never find it.

See, your single explanation and in-verse proof of combat speed amounts to this : "We can see their travel speed but we can't see their combat speed, this means in combat they move faster"

Now I explain to you how Nimbus does the exact thing, in that we can see it's movement speed but in that close quarters combat situation, both us the viewer and all around (maybe baring Vegeta) could see what happened.

So either you're saying Nimbus also follows this 'combat speed' or you'll need to find another example.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. No, it really isn't. There's no way they'd dodge that up close.

2. Again, you're making assumptions. Goku has never actually taken moon-busting or planet-busting attacks. Not once has it ever been stated he could so it's really silly to claim it's consistent when there was never any actual evidence in the first place.

3. You just admitted that the blast Piccolo hit Goku and Raditz with was more powerful than the one he first hit Raditz with so yeah, that also shows that he was holding back. And again, that blast clearly wasn't moon-busting. It was never stated to be and it would have done more than just kick up some dust. You want to talk about using common sense, THIS is the perfect time to use it. As for your question about Roshi (which I didn't "avoid" because I never saw it), to be honest, yes, because Cell wasn't using moon-busting attacks on Goku. And as for all of that other stuff about Freiza's body surviving and then getting sliced by Trunks, it doesn't really tell us anything, except Trunks's attack was more direct than the planet explosion.

4. You finally solved the whole problem; you don't know exactly how he meant it, because "destroying the world" could mean plenty of other things besides just blowing it up with a blast, so you can stop asking that question now because it's obviously irrelevant.

😆 ... If Frieza or Goku didn't want Piccolo with a power level of 350 to hit him with an attack that was already thrown...it would not happen. This has been shown throughout DBZ. Goku dodged all of Frieza's blast during his arrival and Frieza was shocked. Z fighters can detect Ki blast from weaker opponents AND react to it. Why am I having thus debate against you when you don't know what you are talking about?

Freiza tanked planet busting power and Goku is more durable than him as shown by his finger blocking of Trunks sword...the same sword that ripped Frieza in pieces. Stop making excuses for everything. The only thing you are doing is Nu uh.

I didn't admit anything. What I said was...Piccolo blast that he hit Raditz with is more powerful than Roshi moon busting attack. Just because a piece of the planet wasn't destroyed after said attack means nothing since DBZ shoots CONTROLLED KI which means that all of their blast isn't meant to explode upon impact.

Like I've stated...you don't know what you are talking about. If I had Martian Manhunter powers and I said "i don't have the power to destroy a building"...that tells me that if I blasted or punched, I don't have the power to destroy a building. It's opened ended. It's simple. It means that I don't have the power to generate said force to destroy something. Superman said that no one in the universe minus one person can destroy a planet. How old are you? Like foreal. Not trying to insult you but d***. You would make sense if Superman said "no one in the universe can destroy a planet with a blast/punch" but he clearly said no one has the power to destroy a world which means that if they blasted a planet...no one can destroy it except one person. Which means that if they punched it, no one can destroy a world except one person. Now again...since no one in DCU can destroy a world minus one person, is Frieza index finger more powerful than everyone in DCNU?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. No, it really isn't. There's no way they'd dodge that up close.

2. Again, you're making assumptions. Goku has never actually taken moon-busting or planet-busting attacks. Not once has it ever been stated he could so it's really silly to claim it's consistent when there was never any actual evidence in the first place.

3. You just admitted that the blast Piccolo hit Goku and Raditz with was more powerful than the one he first hit Raditz with so yeah, that also shows that he was holding back. And again, that blast clearly wasn't moon-busting. It was never stated to be and it would have done more than just kick up some dust. You want to talk about using common sense, THIS is the perfect time to use it. As for your question about Roshi (which I didn't "avoid" because I never saw it), to be honest, yes, because Cell wasn't using moon-busting attacks on Goku. And as for all of that other stuff about Freiza's body surviving and then getting sliced by Trunks, it doesn't really tell us anything, except Trunks's attack was more direct than the planet explosion.

4. You finally solved the whole problem; you don't know exactly how he meant it, because "destroying the world" could mean plenty of other things besides just blowing it up with a blast, so you can stop asking that question now because it's obviously irrelevant.

😆 ... If Frieza or Goku didn't want Piccolo with a power level of 350 to hit him with an attack that was already thrown...it would not happen. This has been shown throughout DBZ. Goku dodged all of Frieza's blast during his arrival and Frieza was shocked. Z fighters can detect Ki blast from weaker opponents AND react to it. Why am I having thus debate against you when you don't know what you are talking about?

Freiza tanked planet busting power and Goku is more durable than him as shown by his finger blocking of Trunks sword...the same sword that ripped Frieza in pieces. Stop making excuses for everything. The only thing you are doing is Nu uh.

I didn't admit anything. What I said was...Piccolo blast that he hit Raditz with is more powerful than Roshi moon busting attack. Just because a piece of the planet wasn't destroyed after said attack means nothing since DBZ shoots CONTROLLED KI which means that all of their blast isn't meant to explode upon impact.

Like I've stated...you don't know what you are talking about. If I had Martian Manhunter powers and I said "i don't have the power to destroy a building"...that tells me that if I blasted or punched, I don't have the power to destroy a building. It's opened ended. It's simple. It means that I don't have the power to generate said force to destroy something. Superman said that no one in the universe minus one person can destroy a planet. How old are you? Like foreal. Not trying to insult you but d***. You would make sense if Superman said "no one in the universe can destroy a planet with a blast/punch" but he clearly said no one has the power to destroy a world which means that if they blasted a planet...no one can destroy it except one person. Which means that if they punched it, no one can destroy a world except one person. Now again...since no one in DCU can destroy a world minus one person, is Frieza index finger more powerful than everyone in DCNU?

Also 😂 😆 ... Cell power level was in the billions whereas Master Roshi power level was 139. Cell can shoot a blast from his pinky toe and it would generate more power than Roshi blast. I can't believe you sat here and said that Roshi power output was greater than anything Cell hit Goku with. I'm literally about to give up replying to you.

Let me ask you a Lil something. If character A was hit by a bullet in the face and it wen clean through and killed this person while character B was hit in the same spot with the same bullet and the bullet bounced off...who is more durable?

Originally posted by carver9
😆 ... If Frieza or Goku didn't want Piccolo with a power level of 350 to hit him with an attack that was already thrown...it would not happen. This has been shown throughout DBZ. Goku dodged all of Frieza's blast during his arrival and Frieza was shocked. Z fighters can detect Ki blast from weaker opponents AND react to it. Why am I having thus debate against you when you don't know what you are talking about?

Freiza tanked planet busting power and Goku is more durable than him as shown by his finger blocking of Trunks sword...the same sword that ripped Frieza in pieces. Stop making excuses for everything. The only thing you are doing is Nu uh.

I didn't admit anything. What I said was...Piccolo blast that he hit Raditz with is more powerful than Roshi moon busting attack. Just because a piece of the planet wasn't destroyed after said attack means nothing since DBZ shoots CONTROLLED KI which means that all of their blast isn't meant to explode upon impact.

Like I've stated...you don't know what you are talking about. If I had Martian Manhunter powers and I said "i don't have the power to destroy a building"...that tells me that if I blasted or punched, I don't have the power to destroy a building. It's opened ended. It's simple. It means that I don't have the power to generate said force to destroy something. Superman said that no one in the universe minus one person can destroy a planet. How old are you? Like foreal. Not trying to insult you but d***. You would make sense if Superman said "no one in the universe can destroy a planet with a blast/punch" but he clearly said no one has the power to destroy a world which means that if they blasted a planet...no one can destroy it except one person. Which means that if they punched it, no one can destroy a world except one person. Now again...since no one in DCU can destroy a world minus one person, is Frieza index finger more powerful than everyone in DCNU?

Also 😂 😆 ... Cell power level was in the billions whereas Master Roshi power level was 139. Cell can shoot a blast from his pinky toe and it would generate more power than Roshi blast. I can't believe you sat here and said that Roshi power output was greater than anything Cell hit Goku with. I'm literally about to give up replying to you.

Let me ask you a Lil something. If character A was hit by a bullet in the face and it wen clean through and killed this person while character B was hit in the same spot with the same bullet and the bullet bounced off...who is more durable?

1. I only remember Goku knocking the blasts away, not dodging them (unless you're referring to something else). And I never said they can't react and detect a weaker opponent's attacks. Perhaps we got different ideas of "up close" and "far away".

Frieza can't be that durable if large chunks of his body were blown away by that explosion. As even shown after being cut in half, Freiza can still be alive with missing body parts. The reason Trunks was able to slice him up was because it was a DIRECT hit. Heck, look at how Freiza was cut in half by his own disc, it went directly to him. Surely, you're not going to say that it can cut through a planet, are you?

2. Again, none of that is proven by anything. Just some more stuff you made up. Piccolo's blast was not moon-busting and there's nothing stating anything about "ki control" being like that. Simple as that.

3. Notice how you said "destroy a building". That's a lot more specific than just saying "world" so it's not the same thing. You keep trying to substitute "destroying the world" with "blowing up a planet" when it could mean different things. I'm pretty sure you know this but we all know you'll use any kind of excuse to make DBZ characters so much stronger so that's why you keep trying to force that particular meaning in the discussion.

4. Yeah, yeah, enough with the power level crap, let me just answer your question: obviously, character B is more durable but unlike your Piccolo/Raditz argument, we KNOW it was the same thing that was used on something (or someone) else in this case.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
1. I only remember Goku knocking the blasts away, not dodging them (unless you're referring to something else). And I never said they can't react and detect a weaker opponent's attacks. Perhaps we got different ideas of "up close" and "far away".

Frieza can't be that durable if large chunks of his body were blown away by that explosion. As even shown after being cut in half, Freiza can still be alive with missing body parts. The reason Trunks was able to slice him up was because it was a DIRECT hit. Heck, look at how Freiza was cut in half by his own disc, it went directly to him. Surely, you're not going to say that it can cut through a planet, are you?

2. Again, none of that is proven by anything. Just some more stuff you made up. Piccolo's blast was not moon-busting and there's nothing stating anything about "ki control" being like that. Simple as that.

3. Notice how you said "destroy a building". That's a lot more specific than just saying "world" so it's not the same thing. You keep trying to substitute "destroying the world" with "blowing up a planet" when it could mean different things. I'm pretty sure you know this but we all know you'll use any kind of excuse to make DBZ characters so much stronger so that's why you keep trying to force that particular meaning in the discussion.

4. Yeah, yeah, enough with the power level crap, let me just answer your question: obviously, [b]character B is more durable but unlike your Piccolo/Raditz argument, we KNOW it was the same thing that was used on something (or someone) else in this case. [/B]

You misunderstood me. What I am telling you is, Piccolo with a power level of 350 can not shoot a single blast that would hit Saiyan Saga Goku. Aint happening, and yes, that includes the blast that made it to the moon at extreme speeds. As shown here, the more powerful you are, the faster your attacks. The only reason Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin was unable to detect Frieza attack was due to them not being powerful enough to see it but Vegeta was able to detect and react to those blasts because of his power level jump.

Krillin states, but, but, we cant even see them (the attacks)...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/271099-ki_beams_get_faster_as_the_show_progresses_2_super_zps711575c4.jpg.html

Piccolo confirms why they are unable to see the attacks and why Vegeta was able to detect Frieza attacks/moves. "Vegeta can see his attacks. HOW DID HE BECOME SO POWERFUL".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/271100-ki_beams_get_faster_as_the_show_progresses_3_super_zps098044d5.jpg.html

Confirmation that people with less power can not detect people with a higher power level attacks. Also confirmation that the more powerful you are, the better you can detect other fighters attacks. With that said, Piccolo with a power level of 3 hundred and got darn 50 isnt hitting Goku who had a power level of 9000. Sorry bro. With that said, Goku can react to the same blast Piccolo shot at the moon near instantly.

2. Piccolo was out for the kill when he threw his blast at Raditz, the same attack that he shedded a moon with, so yes, it was clearly moon busting. Also, 😂 are you really going to sit here and tell me that Z fighters can not control their KI? Do I honestly have to bring up 100's of showings going against your claim? How about this, the topics that we are discussing, lets battlezone it. You pick 2 judges and I'll pick 2.

Also...

Do you have an excuse for everything? The destructo disk is the sharpest and most dangerous weapon in DBZ. It was confirmed as being capable of cutting through ANYTHING so yes, I sure do think if someone threw it at the planet which is made out of dirt, rock and water, it would go clean through it since we have seen said attack cut through a mountain with ease. This still doesn't take away from the fact that the half of Frieza body that was left withstood a planets explosion, and Frieza was near death when he withstood it. This was later confirmed by Frieza father that a mere planet explosion is not powerful enough to take out his son which lead us back to what I brought up before. It has been shown and confirmed that a Super Saiyan is more durable than Frieza and Frieza body withstood a planets explosion. 1+1 = 2.

3. I dont get your point. What is a world to you? If Goku said that he could not destroy a world, then that means that he can not destroy a freaking world, no matter how he attempted it. Why cant you grasp this? Everyone at the comic book forum did. You're literally the only person that cant grasp the concept of Supermans words. How about this, lets battlezone this as well or get a respectable debater in here...someone like Galan. Maybe he can break this down for either of us to understand. Deal? What I am saying is, with Superman statement, that means that only one person in the Universe can destroy a world, no matter how they attempted it, physically or with a blast. You disagree with this so I think if someone else minus myself said this to you, maybe you or myself would get a better understanding.

Dont understand your last question but what I do understand is that I have had the laugh of my life with your statement of a serious Cell not hitting Goku with a single blast that was on the level or above the attack Master Roshi (with a power level of 135) used against the moon. The Kayoken Kamehameha times 3, the one that Goku hit Vegeta with... is it less powerful than Roshi standard moon busting attack or Piccolo at a power level of 350 moon busting attack? If you say that this Kamehameha that Goku shot (and hit Vegeta with) is less powerful than Roshi (who didnt even exert all of his power) Kamehameha, first I am going to scream out laughing at you, then I am going to suggest we include this in our battlezone discussion as well.

Originally posted by carver9
You misunderstood me. What I am telling you is, Piccolo with a power level of 350 can not shoot a single blast that would hit Saiyan Saga Goku. Aint happening, and yes, that includes the blast that made it to the moon at extreme speeds. As shown here, the more powerful you are, the faster your attacks. The only reason Gohan, Piccolo, and Krillin was unable to detect Frieza attack was due to them not being powerful enough to see it but Vegeta was able to detect and react to those blasts because of his power level jump.

Krillin states, but, but, we cant even see them (the attacks)...

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/271099-ki_beams_get_faster_as_the_show_progresses_2_super_zps711575c4.jpg.html

Piccolo confirms why they are unable to see the attacks and why Vegeta was able to detect Frieza attacks/moves. "Vegeta can see his attacks. HOW DID HE BECOME SO POWERFUL".

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/271100-ki_beams_get_faster_as_the_show_progresses_3_super_zps098044d5.jpg.html

Confirmation that people with less power can not detect people with a higher power level attacks. Also confirmation that the more powerful you are, the better you can detect other fighters attacks. With that said, Piccolo with a power level of 3 hundred and got darn 50 isnt hitting Goku who had a power level of 9000. Sorry bro. With that said, Goku can react to the same blast Piccolo shot at the moon near instantly.

2. Piccolo was out for the kill when he threw his blast at Raditz, the same attack that he shedded a moon with, so yes, it was clearly moon busting. Also, 😂 are you really going to sit here and tell me that Z fighters can not control their KI? Do I honestly have to bring up 100's of showings going against your claim? How about this, the topics that we are discussing, lets battlezone it. You pick 2 judges and I'll pick 2.

Also...

Do you have an excuse for everything? The destructo disk is the sharpest and most dangerous weapon in DBZ. It was confirmed as being capable of cutting through ANYTHING so yes, I sure do think if someone threw it at the planet which is made out of dirt, rock and water, it would go clean through it since we have seen said attack cut through a mountain with ease. This still doesn't take away from the fact that the half of Frieza body that was left withstood a planets explosion, and Frieza was near death when he withstood it. This was later confirmed by Frieza father that a mere planet explosion is not powerful enough to take out his son which lead us back to what I brought up before. It has been shown and confirmed that a Super Saiyan is more durable than Frieza and Frieza body withstood a planets explosion. 1+1 = 2.

3. I dont get your point. What is a world to you? If Goku said that he could not destroy a world, then that means that he can not destroy a freaking world, no matter how he attempted it. Why cant you grasp this? Everyone at the comic book forum did. You're literally the only person that cant grasp the concept of Supermans words. How about this, lets battlezone this as well or get a respectable debater in here...someone like Galan. Maybe he can break this down for either of us to understand. Deal? What I am saying is, with Superman statement, that means that only one person in the Universe can destroy a world, no matter how they attempted it, physically or with a blast. You disagree with this so I think if someone else minus myself said this to you, maybe you or myself would get a better understanding.

Dont understand your last question but what I do understand is that I have had the laugh of my life with your statement of a serious Cell not hitting Goku with a single blast that was on the level or above the attack Master Roshi (with a power level of 135) used against the moon. The Kayoken Kamehameha times 3, the one that Goku hit Vegeta with... is it less powerful than Roshi standard moon busting attack or Piccolo at a power level of 350 moon busting attack? If you say that this Kamehameha that Goku shot (and hit Vegeta with) is less powerful than Roshi (who didnt even exert all of his power) Kamehameha, first I am going to scream out laughing at you, then I am going to suggest we include this in our battlezone discussion as well.

1. The scans aren't showing for some reason so I can't say anything about this yet.

2. Yet, you still have no proof that it was moon busting. Saying he was going for the kill isn't proof.

It wasn't the destructo disk that sliced Frieza in half. It was his own disk attack.

3. There's different things can be called "world". A planet, galaxy, universe, different things. And then there's the different ways of destroying it, such as blowing it up, killing people, causing chaotic incidents, ruling the world, different things like that. You keep talking about Goku but this isn't Goku we're talking about here. This is Darkseid. When there's a bad guy like him, there's plenty of ways he can "destroy" a world (think about it, he's a ruler).

I'm not sure what question you're referring to. I will say that the blast Goku hit Vegeta with was more powerful than the one Roshi destroyed the moon with but at the same time, this doesn't mean Vegeta is more durable than the moon. Like I said before, I believe blasts works differently on people than it does on moons or planets.

As for the battlezone request, no thanks.

Edit

This thread shows me people don't watch DBZ. Goku stomps.

No, most of us know DBZ

Sentry can bolostomp anyone in DBZ

Random new guy claiming guy that know the whole series and have done the research and arguments for a few years now, know nothing.

Adding bolostomp to the dictionary.