3rd Raikage vs Hashirama Senju

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
A released Byakugou & the Sage mode are similar in visual apperance. that is true. However, there are also differences. Byakugou requires the semi-permanent marking on the forhead.

http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/6.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/8.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/9.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/10.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/11.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/12.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/naruto/v63/c621/13.html

As you can see, Hashirama never had any markings prior to activating "Sage Mode".

Evidence point #2: Byakugou does not allow for the use of Sage Arts and never did. Tsunade never once used a single sage art during any of her Byakugou activations. However, Senpô: Mokuton: Shin Sûsenju is definitely a Sage Art.

Hypothesis: it could be that Hashirama's wood release was the key factor in him learning how to absorb nature energy. In essence, trees are the most still(unmoving) living organisms on the planet, and they tap more directly into natural energies from the planet (they absorb nutients from the Earth and solar energy from the Sun via photosynthesis), it is possible that Mokuton allowed Hashirama to tap into it directly, however, this is just a theory, so take it with a grain of salt.

Heck, since they are so fixated on appearance, the way their respective markings appear is different as well.

Tsunade's markings only extend/grow outward from the location of her Yin Seal. Hashirama's markings slowly fade into existence, much like Naruto's Sage Mode marks.

EDIT: This post of mine to socool was at the bottom of the page >__>

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It isn't logical at all. Tsunade's technique involves gathering chakra over a long period of time, storing it up in the seal on her forehead, and then at some later point in time, releasing it for her use, in the process, destroying the seal. Hashirama has no such seal on his forehead. Given that it is Kishi, yes, the techniques likely do have some link and it is entirely possible that Byakugou is a watered down version of Hashirama's Sage Mode, but based on the evidence in the manga, Hashirama used Sage Mode, not Byakugou.

What? Naruto does not change by a marked degree when he uses Sage Mode. It is just his eyes that change, and the markings that appear around his eyes. Which is what happened to Hashirama.
There, 2 identical appearance-based factors between their Sage Modes. More than what exists between Tsunade's Byakugou and Hashirama's Sage Mode.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Heck, since they are so fixated on appearance, the way their respective markings appear is different as well.

Tsunade's markings only extend/grow outward from the location of her Yin Seal. Hashirama's markings slowly fade into existence, much like Naruto's Sage Mode marks.

EDIT: This post of mine to socool was at the bottom of the page >__>

I'm wondering if they are reffering to the frog-like iris in Naruto's eyes in Sage mode... It's the only thing I can think of that is distinctly different from the others sage modes.

However, as I explained before, Hashi's Sage mode does not look animal based like Naruto, Jiraya and Kabuto's are.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I'm wondering if they are reffering to the frog-like iris in Naruto's eyes in Sage mode... It's the only thing I can think of that is distinctly different from the others sage modes.

However, as I explained before, Hashi's Sage mode does not look animal based like Naruto, Jiraya and Kabuto's are.

DDM said they were similar as he thought Hashirama never stood still prior to entering Sage Mode, but instead released stored up chakra. From where, he only knows.
As far as I can tell, socool is talking about the markings on the forehead, which is lulzy.

The reason Naruto barely changes when he enters Sage Mode is because he perfected the form. Jiraiya never did, and Kabuto most likely did not as well, which is why their forms had more animal-esque traits. All that happens to Naruto when he enters Sage Mode (in terms of appearance), is that his irides change, and he gains markings around his eyes. This is the more or less the same thing that happened to Hashirama in terms of appearance.

If the Slug-Snake-Toad thing is in effect, then Hashirama's Sage Mode is tied to Slugs. srug

tsunade doesn't appear to have as vast a chackra reserve as hashirama does, so her having to store her chackra before hand to replicate a sealess technique of hashirama's is not illogical.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
DDM said they were similar as he thought Hashirama never stood still prior to entering Sage Mode, but instead released stored up chakra. From where, he only knows.

That can either be explained by my hypothesis, or if not that, ther eis also the option of Wood clones. Naruto himself used Shadow clones to store up additional nature energy against Pain.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As far as I can tell, socool is talking about the markings on the forehead, which is lulzy.

I agree.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The reason Naruto barely changes when he enters Sage Mode is because he perfected the form. Jiraiya never did, and Kabuto most likely did not as well, which is why their forms had more animal-esque traits. All that happens to Naruto when he enters Sage Mode (in terms of appearance), is that his irides change, and he gains markings around his eyes. This is the more or less the same thing that happened to Hashirama in terms of appearance.

Indeed

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If the Slug-Snake-Toad thing is in effect, then Hashirama's Sage Mode is tied to Slugs. srug

I'm unsure if it is slug based, since we don't know what summoning contracts Hashi has.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
tsunade doesn't appear to have as vast a chackra reserve as hashirama does, so her having to store her chackra before hand to replicate a sealess technique of hashirama's is not illogical.

No, but beleiving that the Byakugou allows the use of Sage Arts is illogical. it defeats the entire point of Sage Chakra entirely.

not saying he uses her technique, rather she's imitating whatever he does. it has some of the hallmarks of sage mode, that's undeniable, but until kishi says so i for one am just speculating on what it be other than sage mode. mostly devil's advocate

Demonic Phoenix, I am at work and very busy. However, I did read your post and you actually proved yourself wrong several times. I'll post my response in 2 or 3 days: I will be on travel.

clearly sage mode 🙂 😆
does kishi really have to wank obvious information to readers throats?

until kishi says that naruto characters does shimmer or blink their eyes naruto characters dont blink 😄

since blinking and shimmering is automatic and is caused by reflex and closing your eyes is different and manual LMAO 😱 and blinking was never narated in the manga like ( and naruto blinked his eyes ) 😂

until kishi says naruto characters have genitals then thats the time they will have genitals.

since seeing bee pee in naruto ch 555 is not enough to prove that he used his genitals to pee

until kishi says kushina gave birth to naruto like humans then we are not sure if naruto came out from kushinas mouth like piccolo 😘
😆 😠 😆 😠

sage art....
read it
an art performed or made by sage.

rap song
a song performed or made by rappers.
even if you say your not a professional rapper the moment you rapped you are a rapper.

last but not the least hashirama will win this match ( 3rd rai vs hashi )
he will wank raikages throat 1000 times per swing lol >.<

being a descendant of six paths always have an advantage over a non descendant of six paths

Wow. Just, wow.

Originally posted by taetae
sage art....
read it
an art performed or made by sage.

Which is not the same as an art performed or made in sage mode.

Fail.

belief perseverance 😱

(Ninp&#333😉 => Ninja Arts => performed by regular ninjas with their chakras
Ninja Art Summoning Jutsu poof 😛
(Senp&#333😉 => Sage Arts => performed by ninjas who married sailor moon and ate the gura gura no mi for a mighty bed rockin 😱

Senpo Cho odama rasengan => performed by naruto at sage mode because he molded the jutsu with nature energy
Senpo Mokuton Shinsusenju => performed by hashirama at a mode you dont believe is sage mode just because kishi hasnt say so 😆

in addition that's why they have mode
sage mode
because only in sage mode
=>they can perform sage art
=>can have sage strength
etc etc.
=>they can become a sage( thats why it is a mode ) 🙄

if they can use nature energy on a jutsu without sage mode then sage mode is irrelevant( useless )

on top of that mode means a particular form so sage mode is equivalent to
sage form

A sage is someone who mastered sage mode and can perform senpo

Sage mode is prerequisite to being a sage.
without sage mode you cannot become a sage =D
you cannot perform senpo bla bla

in ninjutsu they use chakra they say ninpo
in senjutsu they utilize nature chakra they say senpo 😱

this new poster is like "phuck, commas. i will just hit enter instead."