Originally posted by Diesldude
Phucking change your avatar already.I creamed my pants when I thought I saw carver put hulk last because of his hate for superman, then i saw it was you.
Lmao.
1. Hal and Captain Marvel
2. Thor and Flash
3. SS and WW
4. Superman and Hulk
Superman and Hulk are by far the least versatile. Many problems/fights can't be won just by punching it. OP states unknown threat with unknown powers. Makes no sense to go Supes/Hulk (Hulk being the weakness).
Originally posted by Placidity
That's just it. SS would normally get my vote. But Flash or Captain Marvel are just too far above her, and she brings the net value of the team down.
??? how do you come up with that? Before Wally gained the speed steal and speed force ability she was the only DC character who could match a flash in speed. She's still the only speed non speedster to enter the speed force under their own power ( when she chased Jesse Quick into it. She's the only below skyfather DCU character to have beaten Superman in a fight ( and more than once) on a purely physical basis ( and she's done it three times - admittedly one was pre COIE, where Cap Marvel has only matched him a few dozen). She has better reaction feats than anyone here except Flash, she has better combat ability than anyone except maybe Thor. Hell when she was depowered ( the Artemis WW stage) she defeated three Amazons who were powered in physical combat ( she's just THAT skilled).
What she brings that cap and flash do
Speed to match cap closer to flash than anyone else listed
Strength => than cap, she's beaten him in an arm wrestle in his own title
durability =>than both, thanks mainly to her link to Demeter and the fact that the earth can heal almost all injuries in very short order.
What she brings they don't
The bracelets of Victory allow her to call upon the lightning of Zeus, plus by crossing them create a force field
The lasso of Truth is indestrcutible and can grant control over anyone it's put around
A far better combatant and tactician than either.
Super intelligence, May not be commonly known but Dianna worked on much of Themyscira like the purple healing ray she and Paula developed. In her series she was working on the cures to many of man's diseases with a group of physicians for the UN. she is accomplished in many scientific fields and speaks many languages.
Bring him down she brings it up because she is far above Flash and Cap Marvel in the power and more importantly versatility.
Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm
^Nearly everything in that post is wrong. Diana never entered speed force, she has never defeated superman and that arm wrestle with cap was a phucking dream.
if Dianna nevet entered the speed force how did she rope Jesse quick in it after she she had entered it??
so superman ( who was bloodlusted) when he was under the control of Max and made to believe that dianna was Doomsday and had just killed Lois never lost to Dianna when she was holding back?? also when he was under the sway of Darkseid she defeated him. plus I have a few others wher she defeated him in H2h but they are pre coie and non canon. I'll link scans tomorrow
there's also andifference between a dream and a memory. yes cap remembered the event ina dream in his title but it did take place in war of the gods.
to further illustrate ( though you'll likely call this bs too and i'll find the scans on the weekend to support) in a ww and Flash crossover Flash is taken down by a speedster assassin who's reactions match his. Dianna in the second issue taks the girl down, she gets hurt by her hut still manages to react to most of her attacks( prior to speed force upgrade). another crossover shows dianna actually not only catch Flash but cut him off when he's racing off to stop a fire. uet another shows Flash commenting on her managing to keep ul with a look of surprise on his face. now when he fets the speed force upgrade and they race he runs away from her backwards grinning like a cheshire cat.
so please tell what else about my post was wrong, or is this going to be like your dissapearing act when you said she'd never beaten Powergirl in that other thread after i linked the scan??
Originally posted by beatboks
if Dianna nevet entered the speed force how did she rope Jesse quick in it after she she had entered it??so superman ( who was bloodlusted) when he was under the control of Max and made to believe that dianna was Doomsday and had just killed Lois never lost to Dianna when she was holding back?? also when he was under the sway of Darkseid she defeated him. plus I have a few others wher she defeated him in H2h but they are pre coie and non canon. I'll link scans tomorrow
there's also andifference between a dream and a memory. yes cap remembered the event ina dream in his title but it did take place in war of the gods.
to further illustrate ( though you'll likely call this bs too and i'll find the scans on the weekend to support) in a ww and Flash crossover Flash is taken down by a speedster assassin who's reactions match his. Dianna in the second issue taks the girl down, she gets hurt by her hut still manages to react to most of her attacks( prior to speed force upgrade). another crossover shows dianna actually not only catch Flash but cut him off when he's racing off to stop a fire. uet another shows Flash commenting on her managing to keep ul with a look of surprise on his face. now when he fets the speed force upgrade and they race he runs away from her backwards grinning like a cheshire cat.
so please tell what else about my post was wrong, or is this going to be like your dissapearing act when you said she'd never beaten Powergirl in that other thread after i linked the scan??
she beat a superman that was mentally compromised. not the same as beating him in his right mind.
Re: Which team would you want to protect the planet
Originally posted by Starscream MCould be magical or mystical in nature? If so,
A planetary threat is approaching Earth of unknown origin and power level, you are in charge of picking one team of heroes to defend the planet against this unknown threat, which team would you feel the safest with?---
Superman and Hulk
Thor and Flash (Wally)
Silver Surfer and Wonder Woman
Hal Jordan and Captain Marvel
I would go with probably Thor and Flash (best combination to cover physical and magical threats).
Then Silver Surfer and Wonder Woman. Those black holes will come in handy.
Originally posted by -Pr-
she beat a superman that was mentally compromised. not the same as beating him in his right mind.
Still an impressive showing nonetheless.
I think it's close between Surfer/WW and Thor/Flash. Either Surfer or Thor are must haves for me. They could handle the widest variety of threats and deal with them all very well. I think the gear Diana could bring to the table would make me lean towards her team when comparing her with Flash.
Originally posted by -Pr-
she beat a superman that was mentally compromised. not the same as beating him in his right mind.
Your so right, beating a Superman who is bloodlusted and aiming for your death while your "holding back, isn't the same thing. It's several times better.
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2045848
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2045849
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2045853
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2267425
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2045854
Sorry about the order it's all over the place.
then there is also this time
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2044307
and this time
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2267414
No she's never had a good showing against Superman has she. I could pull six more but couldn't be bothered looking for the issues.
Oh and she's Never entered the speed force?
How pray tell did she manage to rope Jesse Quick who had entered it AFTER she'd entered it.
jesse entering, no sign of Dianna or her Lasso
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2267422
then she's roped
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2044309
here is Dianna matching, beating Wally before his speed force upgrade
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2267400
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2267401
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2044305
So please tell me again how everything in my post was wrong. It seems I can back everything up, can you.
Because Superman was out of his mind with grief and rage. The writer confirmed this. Superman wasn't fighting the way he usually does, or like he can. Superman is a thinking man's fighter, always has been.
While being bloodlusted might benefit someone like the Hulk, it doesn't benefit Superman, ESPECIALLY when it's against someone as skilled as Diana.
And I never said she never has good showings against Superman. Please don't assume.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Because Superman was out of his mind with grief and rage. The writer confirmed this. Superman wasn't fighting the way he usually does, or like he can. Superman is a thinking man's fighter, always has been.While being bloodlusted might benefit someone like the Hulk, it doesn't benefit Superman, ESPECIALLY when it's against someone as skilled as Diana.
And I never said she never has good showings against Superman. Please don't assume.
Sorry I though you were abhilegend who called all my post lies ( not sure why I thought that your avitars are not the same or even close).
My point was that even though he would not be fighting less intelligently he would be fighting with far more power and intent. IMO that level of drive would give you more than you would loose. Think of the fact that a human under adrenaline when a child of loved one is at risk can lift a car that they would normally not do. Take that and consider just how powerful a blood lusted Superman would be. The other two incidents I posted however are not in the same mental state. One of them is however before COIE.