Which team would you want to protect the planet

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
I was also wondering which Earth? If it's DC Earth, I would say that Superman's universal reputation might be of just as much use as his powers.

Posturing should almost be one of that guy's powers...

Pre-reboot supes maybe. Isn't this DCnU, tho? Also, from the sound of this thread, looks more like our Earth or at least a generic Earth. :-p

Originally posted by beatboks
If these are out of context, please point it out. Not being a reader of either Superman or Wonder Woman I wouldn't know. I ahven't read WW since before COIE and Superman since reign of the Supermen. I base my statements solely on these character on discussions/ debates I've been involved in on other comic forums. The fact that several forum members all supported a particular version of events mad me believe it to be the case.

I've already pointed the context.

sorry but this line I don't buy. I'm not knowledgeable in Superman and WW but I've been a JSA fanboy for almost four decades. I have all but 6 issues of All Star Comcis featuring them, All their appearances in Adventure, all but two JLA crossovers ( that i had but got damaged), their entire 90's run and 2007 run and about 12 mini series plus JSA classified, All Star Squadron, Young All Stars and Infinity Inc.

fantastic grasp of teh English vernacular you have there.

Concerning the Lords of Order thing:

I was under the impression that it was Freeman that got his powers from them, not Billy, who basically kept his original Captain Marvel powerset in addition to those of the Keeper of the Rock of Eternity. For all intents and purposes, I'd imagine Freeman's powers should be equal to Billy's as Cap (barring Freeman being blessed with Apollo's healing instead of Atlas' stamina)...even though Freeman sucked ass as Shazam.

I could be remembering it wrong as Trials of Shazam was an abomination for the most part.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Concerning the Lords of Order thing:

I was under the impression that it was Freeman that got his powers from them, not Billy, who basically kept his original Captain Marvel powerset in addition to those of the Keeper of the Rock of Eternity. For all intents and purposes, I'd imagine Freeman's powers should be equal to Billy's as Cap (barring Freeman being blessed with Apollo's healing instead of Atlas' stamina)...even though Freeman sucked ass as Shazam.

I could be remembering it wrong as Trials of Shazam was an abomination for the most part.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Concerning the Lords of Order thing:

I was under the impression that it was Freeman that got his powers from them, not Billy, who basically kept his original Captain Marvel powerset in addition to those of the Keeper of the Rock of Eternity. For all intents and purposes, I'd imagine Freeman's powers should be equal to Billy's as Cap (barring Freeman being blessed with Apollo's healing instead of Atlas' stamina)...even though Freeman sucked ass as Shazam.

I could be remembering it wrong as Trials of Shazam was an abomination for the most part.

You haven't got it wrong, It was freeman, it was also the "lords/god's of magic" not the Lords of order ( they were killed by Spectre in DOV that preceded it and the reason it took place in the first place. It was also as you said the same powerset. The strength of Herc if I'm not mistaken was issue 6 ( maybe 7).

It was the "lords of Order pre the 10th age as all the ancient God's in DCU were Lords of order or chaos who had appeared to man to gain power by their worship. That fact has been

It was also completely retconned in Justice Society with the return to existence of Shazam, the stripping of BIlly and Freddy in power and turning BA and Isis to stone.

Go here.

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/All-New_Collectors'_Edition_Vol_1_C-54

See who is being listed there appearing?

[quote]
That was all retconned in Trials Of Shazam. Do you know what a retcon means?./quote]

Yes I do, it's a shame you don't because Tials wasn't a retconn. a retconn is retroactively adjusted continuity. It's basically when you go back ansd alter the past of a character and make changes.

I thrils everything is in the present and moving forward and getting on top og things. Trails changed no history it simply moved forward from a set point in history to deal with the changes to magic in general after DoV and move on. It could have been classed as a reboot, but it was rebooted back in JSA)

Originally posted by Placidity
Superman and Hulk are by far the least versatile. Many problems/fights can't be won just by punching it. OP states unknown threat with unknown powers.

Originally posted by beatboks
ROFLMAO tell me how long did it take you to look up and find a wiki site that has absolutely NOTHING on it ?? Is this plank page that tells us it doesn't exist supposed to convince us of something. Don't worry, I googled the title you mentioned and out of the 8 sites I visited one did list E-2 Superman and WW. Still since all 8 list the Daily planet as where it took part. That makes it very questionable for it to be the E-2 superman bescause on E-2 Superman works for the daily star

Not even a full second. You are supposed to copy and paste the whole URL. Pity you can't do even that.

Yes I do, it's a shame you don't because Tials wasn't a retconn. a retconn is retroactively adjusted continuity. It's basically when you go back ansd alter the past of a character and make changes.

I thrils everything is in the present and moving forward and getting on top og things. Trails changed no history it simply moved forward from a set point in history to deal with the changes to magic in general after DoV and move on. It could have been classed as a reboot, but it was rebooted back in JSA)

is this savage hulk who will probably force supes to bfr him to phantom zone because he would absolutely wreck the earth if he lost it...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not even a full second. You are supposed to copy and paste the whole URL. Pity you can't do even that.

I did it's shame it was an empty page on dc.wikia for All-New_Collectors

and all it says is

There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.

Good, because it retconned the whole strength of hercules shit.

Actually in issue 6 IIRC ( might have been 7) when Freddy went to the Jail and the challenge of the big guy with the tats ( had to get him out) that was when he reclaimed the "strength of hercules" cause that was his current form.

It was after he'd fought the mystical creature in the Desert by jumping down it's throat and calling Shazam while inside it. Fighting along side the soldier who was the current embodiment of Achilles. Which was after the chick in the tattoo parlor with the yiddish name for Solomon who gave him his wisdom. If you want to try and quote things as the source at least try and get it to a close facsimile of what was represented. I did mention that I am a Marvel Family fan didn't I and have almost every appearance since 79 and even 8 really tattered issues of Whiz from the 40's.

Stop trying to blow smoke.

No. In final crisis Black Adam confirmed that their powers come from Lords' Of Order.

since COIE their powers always have come from the lords of Order and Chaos ( in BA's case). That is where Shazam get's his powers from. It just so happens that the lords of order for Billy and Freddy et all were Solomon, Herc etc etc. Pre COIE in Classic Fate tales it was regularly mentioned how Lords of Order and Chaos would appear to man as god's so that worship would increase their power. It's the reason that most of teh Lords of Chaos Fate fought were named for Egyptian, Sumarian, Aztec, and other culture God's. It's also the reason that when he called on the power of the Lords of Order he would similarly call on ancient cultures God's.

In BA's Origin Shazam's daughter Lady Blaze did a deal with the Lord of Chaos Set so that Adam's power would come from Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton and Mehen and not the God's that Shazam and the Marvel family did. Think about it Shazam was a Champion before most of the God's that he get's his power from had worshipers. How did you think that happened?

In Day of Vengeance back in 2005 all the Lords of Order and all but one Lord of Chaos were killed by Spectre. How the hell could Black Adam have confirmed that their powers in 2008 ( final Crisis) came from god's that no longer existed ???

That's because he didn't he said that they were no longer.

It's no longer amusing responding to you when you can't even come up with something plausible.

Originally posted by Philosophía
You don't read much Superman, do you?

Originally posted by beatboks
I did it's shame it was an empty page on dc.wikia for All-New_Collectors

and all it says is

[b]There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs.

Let me help you.

[url]http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/All-New_Collectors'_Edition_Vol_1_C-54[url]

Actually in issue 6 IIRC ( might have been 7) when Freddy went to the Jail and the challenge of the big guy with the tats ( had to get him out) that was when he reclaimed the "strength of hercules" cause that was his current form.

It was after he'd fought the mystical creature in the Desert by jumping down it's throat and calling Shazam while inside it. Fighting along side the soldier who was the current embodiment of Achilles. Which was after the chick in the tattoo parlor with the yiddish name for Solomon who gave him his wisdom. If you want to try and quote things as the source at least try and get it to a close facsimile of what was represented. I did mention that I am a Marvel Family fan didn't I and have almost every appearance since 79 and even 8 really tattered issues of Whiz from the 40's.

Stop trying to blow smoke.

since COIE their powers always have come from the lords of Order and Chaos ( in BA's case). That is where Shazam get's his powers from. It just so happens that the lords of order for Billy and Freddy et all were Solomon, Herc etc etc. Pre COIE in Classic Fate tales it was regularly mentioned how Lords of Order and Chaos would appear to man as god's so that worship would increase their power. It's the reason that most of teh Lords of Chaos Fate fought were named for Egyptian, Sumarian, Aztec, and other culture God's. It's also the reason that when he called on the power of the Lords of Order he would similarly call on ancient cultures God's.

In BA's Origin Shazam's daughter Lady Blaze did a deal with the Lord of Chaos Set so that Adam's power would come from Shu, Heru, Amon, Zehuti, Aton and Mehen and not the God's that Shazam and the Marvel family did. Think about it Shazam was a Champion before most of the God's that he get's his power from had worshipers. How did you think that happened?

In Day of Vengeance back in 2005 all the Lords of Order and all but one Lord of Chaos were killed by Spectre. How the hell could Black Adam have confirmed that their powers in 2008 ( final Crisis) came from god's that no longer existed ???

That's because he didn't he said that they were no longer.

It's no longer amusing responding to you when you can't even come up with something plausible. [/B]

You were saying something?

@ abhilegend

ROFLMAO

I already found that one in the search I did several days ago. I stated that two sites mentioned Earth 2 versions. I also stated that all but one had the location of Daily Planet. Which interestingly isn't on Earth 2. You really didn't have to edit it out for me.

Your scan is even funnier. You said they get power from the Lords of Order and as proof you offer a scan that doesn't mention the lords of Order but the "primal ones", which coincidentally is what the new versions of Solomon, Achilles and Herc etc were called in the Trails of Shazam mini you tried to sling as another failed attempt to prove something.

So your claim is that Trials retconned away the away that Herc solomon etc are the powers of Cap. Well let's see what trials says

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam3-Page22.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam4-Page9.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam6-Page14.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam8-Page5.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam8-Page25.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam11-Page19.jpg.html

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/TrialsofShazam12-Page22.jpg.html

The only change out of Trials was that Apollo was added to the mix because Sabine killed Atlas before Freddy got to him for his test and someone had to replace Atlas. Once Freddy beat Sabine he gained all the powers she had stolen.

Maybe you should focus more on those walls of text instead of just the pretty pictures. It would seem your missing all the actual content of the story.

I could load the rest of the entire series if you'd like or any other Cap marvel appearance in the last few decades ( it's the only reason aside from cross overs with Flash books that I've even Seen Wonder Woman), but clearly you don't have the attention span to go through them in enough detail.

Originally posted by beatboks
@ abhilegend

ROFLMAO

I already found that one in the search I did several days ago. I stated that two sites mentioned Earth 2 versions. I also stated that all but one had the location of Daily Planet. Which interestingly isn't on Earth 2. You really didn't have to edit it out for me.

Maybe you should focus more on those walls of text instead of just the pretty pictures. It would seem your missing all the actual content of the story.

I could load the rest of the entire series if you'd like or any other Cap marvel appearance in the last few decades ( it's the only reason aside from cross overs with Flash books that I've even Seen Wonder Woman), but clearly you don't have the attention span to go through them in enough detail.

You are not listening closely. These new versions of Solomon etc are not Greek and thus have no bearing upon cap and diana's strength level. They are Lords' of Order.

Meaningless scans. I never said that.

Sorry but you did

Cap doesn't has Greek Hercules' strength anymore. He gets his strength from Lords' of Order.

And if you truly believed they weren't the same god's then why exactly did Mercury return to his Roman god look, as did Apollo and the images of their true selves shown when Freddy saw them for who they were also the classic look.

Shazam has been called a Lord and a servant of order for the last 28 years.

I'd like to say it's been fun, but I usually like an intellectual challenge in a debate. Seems that all the guys on the real debate forums were right. I won't find that on here.

Originally posted by beatboks
None of us are "listening" we're reading. And as I said they aren't lords of Order because all the LOO were killed in Day of Vengeance which is why trials happened.

I'd like to say it's been fun, but I usually like an intellectual challenge in a debate. Seems that all the guys on the real debate forums were right. I won't find that on here.

Originally posted by beatboks
I'd like to say it's been fun, but I usually like an intellectual challenge in a debate. Seems that all the guys on the real debate forums were right. I won't find that on here.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Lol don't be that hateful cause you know that in every forum there is gonna be a guy who is a big fanboy and just puts out ridiculous arguments.....well the one you are arguing against is one of them....as a matter of fact he is the #1 Superman fanboy in this forum LOL!

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean comicvine? Lawl.

Translation:

Welcome "New Member". 😄

Now, GTFO! 😆

^lolol @2 above post.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not all of them.

You're making this far too easy. Seriously if your way of debating is to throw up statements that can be shot down with a single scan.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/DayofVengeanceInfiniteCrisisSpecial-Page13-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Here Spectre states and Nabu concurs that he has destroyed ALL the Lords of order except Nabu ( who he did destroy at the end of their battle. This is DOV Infinite Crisis. well before the Trials of Shazam mini.

No, they were not. At least shazam's gods were not LOO.

Yes they were and here is one of many scans that prove it.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/NabustatesthatShazamisoneoftheLordsofOrder.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2

See how Nabu the wisest and most powerful Lord of Order refers to Shazam ( who isn't around after DOV until he returns in Justice Society) as a LORD OF ORDER. better start laughing quietly because the joke is on you. It's been part of canon for quite some time. Shazam get's his power from his namesakes the LOO and shares it with Billy etc.

You mean comicvine? Lawl.