Hulk vs superman(no super speed)

Originally posted by h1a8
What would Hulk's defense be against this simple tactic?:

Freeze breath then free hits.

or this simple tactic?:

HV to eyes then free hits, HV to body and stay away.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
They won't accept it, it seems like everything that looks simple and logic won't work on hulk because "he will get angrier."

I don't know what the main discussion is but you can't really fault someone for taking that stance (Up to a point). Hulk getting angrier and overcoming forces or even doing the illogical has been part of his shtick for decades. Took me a while to accept it, seeing as how I'm mainly a Thor fan, but it is what it is. People need to learn to deal with it.

Anyways, Hulk speed blitz Superman for the win. That's a legit argument as silly as it is. 😂

Superman has no speed in this thread, and at the rate Hulk's going, soon he'll be speed blitzing more often then Clark.

How fast are we assuming Supes is for this thread?

No super speed at all apparently.

you've got a point there, however, they think he will last that long, which is not necessarily the case, especially with someone as intelligent as clark on the other side.

anyway you're right, i can see that happening next year lol.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

I can. That's the argument for Hulk and supes. Though supes proved it by lifting infinity or half of it, which is still infinity and bench pressing earth without his power source for 5 days without breaking more then 1 sweat.

There's a very serious flaw in this line of reasoning. Especially since most elite bricks haven't shown real concrete limits to their strength and have overcome past levels in times of stress. There's Hulk and then there's Superman. Hulk has legitimate potential for nigh limitless strength, true dynamic power, it's a different animal then Superman, Thor and most other beings.

As a matter of fact, Clark has shown actual limitations to his physical strength in situations where Hulk has historically and would most likely triumph.

Also, are you assuming that the book Clark and Billy lifted had infinite weight because it had infinite pages? Not only did it not truly have infinite pages (Ultraman read to the end of the book IIRC), trying to apply the more basic laws of physics to something that so clearly defies them is pretty suspect. I get that it was ridiculously heavy, but saying it had infinite in mass or weight needs to be substantiated. Especially since in that same comic, Clark also showed a very real and more quantifiable limit to his strength:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01d.jpg

I mean, it's a cool feat, but arguing that this is evidence Superman has the same type of strength as Hulk is ridiculous:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01m.jpg

Doesn't help that the book has some kind of self propelled flotation bubble. Not sure why no one brings that up. 😬

Anyways, sick to death of discussing feats in greater detail and I'm not going to pretend I know for certain what Morrison's true intentions were (Dude's probably on shrooms when writing half his work). I just wanted to say my piece.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There's a very serious flaw in this line of reasoning. Especially since most elite bricks haven't shown real concrete limits to their strength and have overcome past levels in times of stress. There's Hulk and then there's Superman. Hulk has legitimate potential for nigh limitless strength, true dynamic power, it's a different animal then Superman, Thor and most other beings.

As a matter of fact, Clark has shown actual limitations to his physical strength in situations where Hulk has historically and would most likely triumph.

Also, are you assuming that the book Clark and Billy lifted had infinite weight because it had infinite pages? Not only did it not truly have infinite pages (Ultraman read to the end of the book IIRC), trying to apply the more basic laws of physics to something that so clearly defies them is pretty suspect. I get that it was ridiculously heavy, but saying it had infinite in mass or weight needs to be substantiated. Especially since in that same comic, Clark also showed a very real and more quantifiable limit to his strength:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/finalcrisisbeyond3d01d.jpg

I mean, it's a cool feat, but arguing that this is evidence Superman has the same type of strength as Hulk is ridiculous:
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01k.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01l.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/lifting/beyond3d01m.jpg

Doesn't help that the book has some kind of self propelled flotation bubble. Not sure why no one brings that up. 😬

Anyways, sick to death of discussing feats in greater detail and I'm not going to pretend I know for certain what Morrison's true intentions were (Dude's probably on shrooms when writing half his work). I just wanted to say my piece.

Where is the difference between the strength of Superman and Hulk except that one is powered by rage the other by selimposed mental limitations?

Both are the strongest man of their respective universe. Sure, sometimes they get matched by others but when pushed to the limits and in need of someone who can do the impossible with pure strength, the people in Marvel call the Hulk and those in DC Superman.

One can never be sure concerning Morrison but the most logical assumption imo would be "Let's do something impossible and let's superman lift the infinity". When reading FC I had more then once the "what the phuck" feeling. He did stuff he never does in his regular comics and operated on trans or even skyfather levels and with CA even far beyond those. Might be Morrison loves him so much but it was not his average level. Still he can reach those levels because he did so before, in OWAW and in CotIE. Sometimes he gets some PC-like feats, like the bench pressing, they are cheesy and ridiculous and no one wants Superman to reach those impossible strength he had during the PC era, still some writers might use it.

Is rage now trying to lowball the infinite book lifting now?

😂

The book contained the whole multiverse.

It shits on anything hulk or thor have ever done. Rage is just butthurt.

Im a fan of superman, but i have to admit that doesn't make sense at all, we have supes lifting the infinite book in CF😖uperman beyond and also have supes gets smacked around by superboy prime in LOTG, if he has infinite strenght he could pretty handle sbp on his own, for example.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
😂 Who said Soul fire DS was made out of glass???

Different posters on different occasions have already discussed the God Fire scene with you. I'm in no mood to rehash arguments so I'll simply state this: It bares no real relevance on what Superman can do to Thor as Darkseid was specifically no longer a purely physical entity. That isn't to say that energy beings cannot be extremely durable or that it's not impressive but Superman accidentally shattering him into glass should be a clue.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,253604.msg4242428.html

Darkseid breaking into glass pieces also muddies the waters here.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249634.msg4168237.html

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So the Darkseid feat is valid for Superman? Iyo Superman destroyed Darkseid when he was thousands of times more durable (Ignoring the fact he was pretty much an entity beyond the physical and broke like glass)?

He still hasn't answered the question that if Darkseid was so fragile, why didn't Source/ALE destroyed him and still talks about it everytime its brought up and then just runs away? Can't imagine why?

Rage is owning like usual.

I also agree that both Superman and Hulk are their universes strong man but ibalso agree with Rage, when it comes to strength, that's Hulks thing and his power is ever increasing depending on his mood. Hell, it can be argued using recent fts that Hulk is operating at High Herald power with his walking around power level. No telling what it reaches too when he is punching someone in the face.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Im a fan of superman, but i have to admit that doesn't make sense at all, we have supes lifting the infinite book in CF😖uperman beyond and also have supes gets smacked around by superboy prime in LOTG, if he has infinite strenght he could pretty handle sbp on his own, for example.

srug

I want Batman Prime to post a scan of Current Hulk being damaged as easily as classic Hulk.

Originally posted by Reflassshh

Scott's beam is pretty powerful and all, but has he ever taken out or seriously hurt someone on the Hulk/Thor level?

Deaths Head 2/Minion tanked a full power optic blast even easier, for the record.

Originally posted by carver9
Rage is owning like usual.

Where I come from that is called covert cheerleading 😛

Originally posted by cdtm
Scott's beam is pretty powerful and all, but has he ever taken out or seriously hurt someone on the Hulk/Thor level?

Deaths Head 2/Minion tanked a full power optic blast even easier, for the record.

no, he hasn't, but if he can hurt hulk at least a bit, i bet supes would do it better, the point is hulk getting harmed by a vision based power far weaker than supes heat vision, and superman has other powers also...

Originally posted by abhilegend
The same guy who is lowballing worse than carter. Not only on this board but on herochat too.

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,253604.msg4242428.html

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,249634.msg4168237.html

He still hasn't answered the question that if Darkseid was so fragile, why didn't Source/ALE destroyed him and still talks about it everytime its brought up and then just runs away? Can't imagine why?

That wil be hard to answer.

So dissapointed in Rage. I had a lot of respect for him as a thor fan, but he abandoned his faith and now follows the false prophet of the church of gamma.

DAMN YOU CARVER!!!

That is what I like about Dambo, he is a true Thor fan.

Sorry rage -10 point in coolness factor.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That wil be hard to answer.

So dissapointed in Rage. I had a lot of respect for him as a thor fan, but he abandoned his faith and now follows the false prophet of the church of gamma.

DAMN YOU CARVER!!!

That is what I like about Dambo, he is a true Thor fan.

Sorry rage -10 point in coolness factor.