Originally posted by abhilegend
Yup. Rage has accepted hulk is superior to thor and now he tries his best to wank hulk so that by pseudo Thor looks better as his inferior. Its like a wonder woman fan trying to wank superman so that wonder woman can look better by it. Its quite sad actually.
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Are you kidding me? So you want something from last week or what? This is WWH who went WB first, he is by all means as powerful as green scar, with even better feats...
Pfft. You idiot.
Only high end feats are applicable from a few years ago. Any showings of him being defeated are inapplicable. You are only allowed to use last week's issue of Indestructible Hulk to gather any defeats or low end showings.
The same idea applies to all incarnations of Hulk. If its a low showing, then OBVIOUSLY he was holding back, but all incarnations are allowed to go WBH at a drop of a hat, and so, only WBH feats are allowed for him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pfft. You idiot.Only high end feats are applicable from a few years ago. Any showings of him being defeated are inapplicable. You are only allowed to use last week's issue of Indestructible Hulk to gather any defeats or low end showings.
The same idea applies to all incarnations of Hulk. If its a low showing, then OBVIOUSLY he was holding back, but all incarnations are allowed to go WBH at a drop of a hat, and so, only WBH feats are allowed for him.
Damn, didn't knew sorry. So Grey Hulks Asteroid feat is valid because Hulk became stronger but WWH bleeding from an attack is not valid because it's not up to date? However, Supermans low feats are always valid and his high end feats not because they are not up to date. Makes sense. Thanks for translating carvertalk for me 👆
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Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Damn, didn't knew sorry. So Grey Hulks Asteroid feat is valid because Hulk became stronger but WWH bleeding from an attack is not valid because it's not up to date? However, Supermans low feats are always valid and his high end feats not because they are not up to date. Makes sense. Thanks for translating carvertalk for me 👆🙂
Now you're learning. Also, the Hulk's fight which broke galaxies, and when he was able to grab Zzaxx and other intangible beings. But not the times he was punched out, even if they're from the same era.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
That wil be hard to answer.So dissapointed in Rage. I had a lot of respect for him as a thor fan, but he abandoned his faith and now follows the false prophet of the church of gamma.
DAMN YOU CARVER!!!
That is what I like about Dambo, he is a true Thor fan.
Sorry rage -10 point in coolness factor.
I'm a disappointment and less of a Thor fan because I'm not in denial of what Hulk is capable off?
Personally, I think it's much more embarrassing to stick your head in the sand and pretend to ignore Hulk's showings.
The difference between and you me it seems is that I freely acknowledge what other heralds like Hulk, Surfer, and yes, even Superman, can do. Which is sad, because Superman has even less to worry about in terms of superior feats then almost anyone. One of the reasons why I never understood why his feats are so often misrepresented by his most devoted supporters.
Also, when I said Darkseid shattered like glass, I meant he shattered like glass. Not that he was literally as durable as a normal piece of glass. I made that pretty clear and I thought it went without saying but I guess further clarification is needed.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Where is the difference between the strength of Superman and Hulk except that one is powered by rage the other by selimposed mental limitations?Both are the strongest man of their respective universe. Sure, sometimes they get matched by others but when pushed to the limits and in need of someone who can do the impossible with pure strength, the people in Marvel call the Hulk and those in DC Superman.
One can never be sure concerning Morrison but the most logical assumption imo would be "Let's do something impossible and let's superman lift the infinity". When reading FC I had more then once the "what the phuck" feeling. He did stuff he never does in his regular comics and operated on trans or even skyfather levels and with CA even far beyond those. Might be Morrison loves him so much but it was not his average level. Still he can reach those levels because he did so before, in OWAW and in CotIE. Sometimes he gets some PC-like feats, like the bench pressing, they are cheesy and ridiculous and no one wants Superman to reach those impossible strength he had during the PC era, still some writers might use it.
I've seen Superman try and legitimately fail in situations where Hulk gets angry and overcome his previous limitations. hat's the difference between them to me. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand. Do I need to post scenes where Clark tries and does not succeed in direct strength with ample opportunity to turn the tables? Personally I'm trying to avoid that as I'm not in the mood to make Superman look bad and Carver doesn't need anymore ammo.
Just because both are the strongest heroes of their respective Universes, it does not mean they are equally as strong. You keep repeating this as if it's a legitimate point, unfortunately it's not.
Except you need to prove Superman lifted infinite weight and the only possible reason is to extrapolate from the book using basic laws when the object in-question very clearly defied those laws. You can't have your cake and eat it too my friend. Even the major selling point as flawed as it is, the infinite pages, aren't really infinite as Ultraman read the end of the book.
People also bring up Ultraman lifting the book by himself as evidence which makes absolutely no sense as he was holding it inside the floating containment sphere.
I think calling it really f*cking heavy is fine but when you try to use it as direct proof to counter Hulk's entire dynamic shtick, it requires more in-depth analysis, which despite probably being a waste of time, the reasoning for the feat don't stand up well to anything but the most superficial scrutiny imho.
I agree that Superman can most definitely kick it up a notch such as in OWAW (Not sure why you're bringing up CoIE. You're mixing and matching Pre and Post Flashpoint which I'm fine with I guess, but Pre-Crisis is taking it too far) but it's not similar to Hulk's strength limitations barring Sun-Dipping.
Anyways, this was an interesting chat, but I think this is my last post on the subject. Agree to disagree and all that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm a disappointment and less of a Thor fan because I'm not in denial of what Hulk is capable off?
Hulk has ALWAYS been capable of that, he wasn't just mad enough OR he did not had Banner to balance the equation, this has been pretty clear in hulks history. Destroying a planet with out touching it is a feat done in Marvel quite often (Terrax, Silver Surfer) if you apply HIGH END FEATS, SO what He did, has been done before, but other. and taking those measurements Pak throws lightly is quite silly. I believe any person like you who has read many comics will understand when writers exagerate statements. The so called world breaker is that a world breaker, but so is Terrax, Silver Surfer, Thor and so on
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Personally, I think it's much more embarrassing to stick your head in the sand and pretend to ignore Hulk's showings.The difference between and you me it seems is that I freely acknowledge what other heralds like Hulk, Surfer, and yes, even Superman, can do. Which is sad, because Superman has even less to worry about in terms of superior feats then almost anyone. One of the reasons why I never understood why his feats are so often misrepresented by his most devoted supporters.
I believe Hulk potentially can get stronger than Superman, hell I believe WBH vs regular Superman will KO Superman for sure if Superman fights like his usual self, but on a leveled field, I believe Superman, Thor o Silver Surfer will defeat WBH and is not something , that only I believe.
Hulk is going ALL OUT, That is something to be worried about, but I also believe that any other character like Superman, Silver Surfer and Thor IF they are going all out will defeat Hulk or WBH for this matter, I really do not understand how you might believe that an all out Thor at full potential could loose so badly vs Hulk. When have you seen an all out thor at full potential fighting against Hulk? WM is more a handicap for Thor to use against HULK. The notion here that HULK cannot be KO is funny, as to feat misrepresentation is something that happens to ALL heroes, be that Superman, Hulk, Thor or Silver Surfer.
and probably one day you will not be in denial of what Superman is capable off.
That of course it always varies from writer to writer. But a lot of writers perceive that in the DC the dials go up to 11.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also, when I said Darkseid shattered like glass, I meant he shattered like glass. Not that he was literally as durable as a normal piece of glass. I made that pretty clear and I thought it went without saying but I guess further clarification is needed.
OK, Well what ever material he was made off, it was pretty durable to withstand other forces, but not Superman's concentrated attack
Those are my two cents, of course you can believe what ever you please
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Hulk has ALWAYS been capable of that, he wasn't just mad enough OR he did not had Banner to balance the equation, this has been pretty clear in hulks history. Destroying a planet with out touching it is a feat done in Marvel quite often (Terrax, Silver Surfer) if you apply HIGH END FEATS, SO what He did, has been done before, but other. and taking those measurements Pak throws lightly is quite silly. I believe any person like you who has read many comics will understand when writers exagerate statements. The so called world breaker is that a world breaker, but so is Terrax, Silver Surfer, Thor and so onI believe Hulk potentially can get stronger than Superman, hell I believe WBH vs regular Superman will KO Superman for sure if Superman fights like his usual self, but on a leveled field, I believe Superman, Thor o Silver Surfer will defeat WBH and is not something , that only I believe.
Hulk is going ALL OUT, That is something to be worried about, but I also believe that any other character like Superman, Silver Surfer and Thor IF they are going all out will defeat Hulk or WBH for this matter, I really do not understand how you might believe that an all out Thor at full potential could loose so badly vs Hulk. When have you seen an all out thor at full potential fighting against Hulk? WM is more a handicap for Thor to use against HULK. The notion here that HULK cannot be KO is funny, as to feat misrepresentation is something that happens to ALL heroes, be that Superman, Hulk, Thor or Silver Surfer.
and probably one day you will not be in denial of what Superman is capable off.
That of course it always varies from writer to writer. But a lot of writers perceive that in the DC the dials go up to 11.
OK, Well what ever material he was made off, it was pretty durable to withstand other forces, but not Superman's concentrated attack
Those are my two cents, of course you can believe what ever you please
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now you're learning. Also, the Hulk's fight which broke galaxies, and when he was able to grab Zzaxx and other intangible beings. But not the times he was punched out, even if they're from the same era.
And carver, what do you want from me?, i don't read hulk since WWH, and it isn't like it was too old, and like someone pointed, WWH is the same as WBH, only holding back, anyway i don't know how he'd be able to "hold back" his heal factor or his endurance.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElAnd IG Thanos withstood Eternity's assault, but not Quasar blowing his head completely off. This sort of feat is mostly irrelevant as it just cannot be taken seriously on its face. Same applies to Soulfire Darkseid. It's a non-feat.
OK, Well what ever material he was made off, it was pretty durable to withstand other forces, but not Superman's concentrated attackThose are my two cents, of course you can believe what ever you please
Originally posted by Mindset
If he was holding back, then he was holding back his anger.His anger increases his durability and the power of his healing factor.