DCNU Superman vs WWH · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by carver9
Just playing about the ban comment but I think it takes more than what he's done to be considered a high Herald. Look how hard Superman had to work after the reboot to get into that tier, even though he had the planet benching and H'el punching ft.
Wonder Woman has trounced everyone that has came her way and people still consider her low to mid Herald. It takes work, not a couple of showings.

What tier do you consider Konvikt to be in, Carver?

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
Strength, and healing factor, durability as well if you want to include what he tanked when he was weakened. Anymore questions (trust me, you dont want to go here with me...I know more about both characters than you do and I have scans backing up every last one of my claims if I make any)?

I'll give you Healing Factor. But how can WWH be stronger when all of Superman strength feats trump his? I know about all of their strength feats too.

WWH durability wasn't that great. He was getting busted up by nearly everyone. His healing factor saved him.

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

Originally posted by carver9
Which ft is out of context and Hulk is Hulk..the same person except WWH is the most powerful. World Breaker and WWH is separate entities based off the rules but Hulk fts still belong to him. Don't know how you can separate fts from a character that power is to amp. You might as well take all of his fts away any time he is angry. I can understand if he received an outside amp but that isn't the case here...everything I've named was done under his own power by weaker incarnations or WWH himself.

Rules are rules.

He has various incarnations and personas, ask the writers why they differentiate them. WWH in the arc didn't do anything impressive so he isn't the most powerful imo.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
What tier do you consider Konvikt to be in, Carver?

He fought the entire JLA and Superman and WW at the same time and it took plot to beat him. Doomsday doesn't have fts like that. Do you think Superman could rip Konvikt in half?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Rules are rules.
He has various incarnations and personas, ask the writers why they differentiate them. WWH in the arc didn't do anything impressive so he isn't the most powerful imo.

But he is the most powerful though. It was thrown in our face too many times to deny it.

What rules? If they are separating fts because Hulk is madder than the other Hulks then Hulk shouldn't be a usable character on the forum since that is his power ya know, to amp.

By the way, Hulk held back that entire arc, so you have no clue on how powerful he is. What we do know is that even when going against some of the most powerful on earth, he was still able to dismiss them, all of Earth hero's with a stomp and tell them they are nothing compared to his power.

http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Originally posted by carver9
He fought the entire JLA and Superman and WW at the same time and it took plot to beat him. Doomsday doesn't have fts like that. Do you think Superman could rip Konvikt in half?

Don't dodge the question, please.

Doomsday doesn't have feats, according to you, which means that his fights against Wonder Woman (twice), Steel and Superman somehow don't count?

Originally posted by carver9
But he is the most powerful though. It was thrown in our face too many times to deny it.
What rules? If they are separating fts because Hulk is madder than the other Hulk then Hulk shouldn't be a usable character on the forum since that is his power ya know, to amp.
By the way, Hulk held back that entire arc, so you have no clue on how powerful he is. What we do know is that even when going against some of the most powerful on earth, he was still able to dismiss them, all of Earth hero's with a stomp and tell them they are nothing compared to his power.
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html

The WWH/WBH ruling has been in effect for ages. You know this.

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

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Originally posted by carver9
But he is the most powerful though. It was thrown in our face too many times to deny it.
What rules? If they are separating fts because Hulk is madder than the other Hulks then Hulk shouldn't be a usable character on the forum since that is his power ya know, to amp.
By the way, Hulk held back that entire arc, so you have no clue on how powerful he is. What we do know is that even when going against some of the most powerful on earth, he was still able to dismiss them, all of Earth hero's with a stomp and tell them they are nothing compared to his power.
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media/IncredibleHulk611005.jpg.html

He isn't the most powerful. He didn't beat anyone worth mentioning other than sentry and even then it was to a standstill.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Reflassshh
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He isn't the most powerful. He didn't beat anyone worth mentioning other than sentry and even then it was to a standstill.

You're thumb upping him about WWH and WBH. No one is disputing that. We are talking about 'Hulk' in general.

He IS the most powerful though. He did enough to prove he was more powerful. We're you expecting him to replicate "all" of his fts in the short arc he was in?

By the way, he beat Sentry.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't dodge the question, please.
Doomsday doesn't have feats, according to you, which means that his fights against Wonder Woman (twice), Steel and Superman somehow don't count?
The WWH/WBH ruling has been in effect for ages. You know this.

I would say Konvikt is easily high Herald. I see what you are doing here.

😠

Still doesn't go against what i said.

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

Originally posted by carver9
You're thumb upping him about WWH and WBH. No one is disputing that. We are talking about 'Hulk' in general.
He IS the most powerful though. He did enough to prove he was more powerful. We're you expecting him to replicate "all" of his fts in the short arc he was in?
By the way, he beat Sentry.

'Hulk in general' isn't in this thread.

He really didn't and neither the arc was short. He stalemated a sentry that didn't fight back, a hell of a victory huh?

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Reflassshh
'Hulk in general' isn't in this thread.
He really didn't and neither the arc was short. He stalemated a sentry that didn't fight back, a hell of a victory huh?

Hulk is in this thread though. His fts belongs to him. Just because Hulk is more pissed yesterday than he was last week doesn't mean that he can't have his fts since again, his powers is to amp.

😐 Sentry didn't fight back? Where did you get that from and it wasn't a stalemate.

http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh026.jpg.html

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

If yesterday was an arc and had a different incarnation of the character then you can't use ALL his feats. And here you're limited to discuss WWH arc, it's pretty simple.

That doesn't prove anything, sentry punched hulk once or maybe twice and let hulk do the rest. Omitting scans again.

Time Immemorial Restricted

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk is in this thread though. His fts belongs to him. Just because Hulk is more pissed yesterday than he was last week doesn't mean that he can't have his fts since again, his powers is to amp.

The real question here is why is Hulk always so mad durhulk

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Reflassshh
If yesterday was an arc and had a different incarnation of the character then you can't use ALL his feats. And here you're limited to discuss WWH arc, it's pretty simple.
That doesn't prove anything, sentry punched hulk once or maybe twice and let hulk do the rest. Omitting scans again.

This again is where you are missing the point. Hulk fts belongs to him. Hulk has different personalities, it's part of his character but his power is to amp. You cant take away his fts because the guy has split personality. He isn't receiving an outside amp...it's HIS power that is achieving the things that he is achieving. Not a different character or body, it's the Hulk. Does this also apply to Superman as well? There's some times where he receives more sun light than other days. Should we single out his showings because he could of been more powerful yesterday than he was today because the sun wasn't covered by clouds?

WWH is the most powerful of these Hulks (minus World Breaker) and this was said multiples of times. His goal wasn't to kill anyone. He held back, so you using that against him isn't helping you here.

Show me where Sentry 'let' Hulk punch on him throughout the entire fight. Remember, you said he allowed Hulk to beat on him throughout the entire fight so I know you can provide more than 2 to 3 scans. Here ya go.

carver9 Senior Member

Reed Richards states his power is off the charts.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/hulkpoweroffcharts.jpg.html

Shield states he is at a power level they've never seen.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg.html

Gamma corps profile states he's as angry as he's ever been.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhangriest.jpg.html

Another scan that states he is stronger than he's ever been.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpg.html

Doctor Strange states Hulk has never been this strong.

http://s160.photobucket.com/user/EndlessMike9/media/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpg.html

Now how much proof do you need? What else need to be said that tells us that this Hulk IS the most powerful Hulk there is? You are ignoring evidence.

Also, Hulk currently still retains that power. He is still being called World Breaker and there's no evidence that he depowered. Hell, after WWH left, Hulk still states that he is holding back his power.

Insane Titan Senior Member

So despite all the carvering in the thread Supermanstill wins

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Originally posted by carver9
This again is where you are missing the point. Hulk fts belongs to him. Hulk has different personalities, it's part of his character but his power is to amp. You cant take away his fts because the guy has split personality. He isn't receiving an outside amp...it's HIS power that is achieving the things that he is achieving. Not a different character or body, it's the Hulk. Does this also apply to Superman as well? There's some times where he receives more sun light than other days. Should we single out his showings because he could of been more powerful yesterday than he was today because the sun wasn't covered by clouds?
WWH is the most powerful of these Hulks (minus World Breaker) and this was said multiples of times. His goal wasn't to kill anyone. He held back, so you using that against him isn't helping you here.
Show me where Sentry 'let' Hulk punch on him throughout the entire fight. Remember, you said he allowed Hulk to beat on him throughout the entire fight so I know you can provide more than 2 to 3 scans. Here ya go.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh007.jpg
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Right well lets battlezone it then after the 3rd time I have tried to get you to do it.

I am ready now and feel okay to do it.

I officially challenge you today to a battlezone on whether Sentry was weakened during WWH.

Where we discuss that and things you are debating with Reflassshh.

It gets irritating to see the same things debated when we know the real answer to it.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

It was flat out stated in the comic several times that Doomsday as larva was superman level in strength. LOL @ the denial.

i.imgur.com/e7BdNwY.jpg

Time Immemorial Restricted

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was flat out stated in the comic several times that Doomsday as larva was superman level in strength. LOL @ the denial.
i.imgur.com/e7BdNwY.jpg

Here ya go.

Reflassshh Devil On Your Shoulder

@Carv Then I was right, Sentry punched him twice and let hulk hit him freely, hell he even flought head first to hulk's punch. Good to know we agree on that 👆

You take those statements at face value? Supes must be the most powerful being on earth then.