Originally posted by carver9
You see, that's what I'm trying to get you to understand though. We have nothing to compare their battle too. If Doomsday would of fought someone and actually defeated them, someone on Superman level or little below, then we can use that as evidence of how powerful Doomsday is/was. The fights he does have though, he lost. He fought Zod (who didn't have his Kryptonian powers at the time) and lost. Now he did break WW arms but she even said he caught her off guard. So we have nothing. It's an open window tbh.I personally don't think using that fight is evidence that he would pull a majority against people like Thor or Hulk or whoever... Superman has better fts than his fight against Doomsday. It was a good showing for him but I think the fight was rushed. Don't see people going around praising Cyborg after he did this...
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And this Doomsday have fts from beating teams to slaughtering Heralds.
Glad we agree that Superman is stronger and more durable than Doomsday. At least we are on the same page with that.
First of all, Cyborg Superman is, on most occasions, low trans. He'd be expected to beat someone like Doomsday. That Doomsday beat how many teams/heralds exactly?
Anyway: You're ignoring Doomsday's feats either way. It isn't an open window.
The first time Doomsday met Wonder Woman, it broke her arms and had her on the ropes. Even catching her off guard (I don't know where she said it, but let's argue that it did), to hurt her to the point that it was beating her, doesn't mean that it all happened because she was somehow unready. Remember, at the end of S/WW #1, She's attacking Doomsday, not the other way around. She might have been surprised by how strong he was, but that doesn't make him somehow weaker. Doomsday was winning, which puts him at LEAST on Wonder Woman's level, if not above it.
Then he fought Steel. Steel's hammer shattered just from hitting Doomsday, and Steel proceeded to have his ass kicked. It's impressive, but not exactly herald busting.
Then he fights Wonder Woman again. A short fight, but we do see Doomsday and her have a more fair fight this time, to the point that she actually hurts Doomsday. Take note though, that at this point, Doomsday runs when Superman arrives, so is, at the very least, not confident enough that it's at full power just yet. This is what Lex Luthor believes anyway. Though I see no other reason why it would run, tbh.
When Doomsday reappears in Mumbai, Superman fights him by himself. We've already been told that Superman is the only person Doctor Shay believes can even be around Doomsday for more than ten minutes (and we did see Diana get poisoned earlier). The fight, in which Superman carries him (WHILE FIGHTING HIM) to Venus, where Superman finally downs him with an enormous blast of heat vision:
This STILL isn't enough to kill Doomsday, as after Superman returns to Earth, Doomsday follows him. Doomsday obviously thinks he can kill him then, wouldn't you say? They proceed to fight some more, showing us that the heat vision was only enough to slow the creature down.
So Superman tears him in half, before breathing in the spores and falling over, completely ****ing knackered from what had just happened.
How can there be any doubt as to Doomsday's power level, given his two fights against DC's top male and female heralds (at least when it comes to physical combat)?
You said he fought Zod? When? On Krypton? When Doomsday had no real powers either, and was just a really hard to kill monster that they ended up having to put in the Phantom Zone? A phantom zone that he escaped from, now that I mention it.
So Doomsday has had what, fights so far? If we exclude DOS, obviously, as powers were different back then:
1. Fought Krypton, was locked in Phantom Zone.
2. Fought Wonder Woman, was winning.
3. Fought Steel, kicked his ass.
4. Short fight with Wonder Woman before Superman arrived, was pretty even.
5. Fought Superman, who ended up tearing him in half.
That's more appearances than most "monster of the week" characters get, and we still are able to at least gauge a general power level with them. How can we not do that with Doomsday?
Seriously; I'm asking.
Originally posted by -Pr-
First of all, Cyborg Superman is, on most occasions, low trans. He'd be expected to beat someone like Doomsday. That Doomsday beat how many teams/heralds exactly?Anyway: You're ignoring Doomsday's feats either way. It isn't an open window.
The first time Doomsday met Wonder Woman, it broke her arms and had her on the ropes. Even catching her off guard (I don't know where she said it, but let's argue that it did), to hurt her to the point that it was beating her, doesn't mean that it all happened because she was somehow unready. Remember, at the end of S/WW #1, She's attacking Doomsday, not the other way around. She might have been surprised by how strong he was, but that doesn't make him somehow weaker. Doomsday was winning, which puts him at LEAST on Wonder Woman's level, if not above it.
Then he fought Steel. Steel's hammer shattered just from hitting Doomsday, and Steel proceeded to have his ass kicked. It's impressive, but not exactly herald busting.
Then he fights Wonder Woman again. A short fight, but we do see Doomsday and her have a more fair fight this time, to the point that she actually hurts Doomsday. Take note though, that at this point, Doomsday runs when Superman arrives, so is, at the very least, not confident enough that it's at full power just yet. This is what Lex Luthor believes anyway. Though I see no other reason why it would run, tbh.
When Doomsday reappears in Mumbai, Superman fights him by himself. We've already been told that Superman is the only person Doctor Shay believes can even be around Doomsday for more than ten minutes (and we did see Diana get poisoned earlier). The fight, in which Superman carries him (WHILE FIGHTING HIM) to Venus, where Superman finally downs him with an enormous blast of heat vision:
This STILL isn't enough to kill Doomsday, as after Superman returns to Earth, Doomsday follows him. Doomsday obviously thinks he can kill him then, wouldn't you say? They proceed to fight some more, showing us that the heat vision was only enough to slow the creature down.
So Superman tears him in half, before breathing in the spores and falling over, completely ****ing knackered from what had just happened.
How can there be any doubt as to Doomsday's power level, given his two fights against DC's top male and female heralds (at least when it comes to physical combat)?
You said he fought Zod? When? On Krypton? When Doomsday had no real powers either, and was just a really hard to kill monster that they ended up having to put in the Phantom Zone? A phantom zone that he escaped from, now that I mention it.
So Doomsday has had what, fights so far? If we exclude DOS, obviously, as powers were different back then:
1. Fought Krypton, was locked in Phantom Zone.
2. Fought Wonder Woman, was winning.
3. Fought Steel, kicked his ass.
4. Short fight with Wonder Woman before Superman arrived, was pretty even.
5. Fought Superman, who ended up tearing him in half.That's more appearances than most "monster of the week" characters get, and we still are able to at least gauge a general power level with them. How can we not do that with Doomsday?
Seriously; I'm asking.
Good post. Remember, I never said he was weak...I said Superman was more powerful. I think that's what you think I am saying but I'm not. I'm just saying he isn't on Superman or Hulk level.
Originally posted by -Pr-
First of all, Cyborg Superman is, on most occasions, low trans. He'd be expected to beat someone like Doomsday. That Doomsday beat how many teams/heralds exactly?Anyway: You're ignoring Doomsday's feats either way. It isn't an open window.
The first time Doomsday met Wonder Woman, it broke her arms and had her on the ropes. Even catching her off guard (I don't know where she said it, but let's argue that it did), to hurt her to the point that it was beating her, doesn't mean that it all happened because she was somehow unready. Remember, at the end of S/WW #1, She's attacking Doomsday, not the other way around. She might have been surprised by how strong he was, but that doesn't make him somehow weaker. Doomsday was winning, which puts him at LEAST on Wonder Woman's level, if not above it.
Then he fought Steel. Steel's hammer shattered just from hitting Doomsday, and Steel proceeded to have his ass kicked. It's impressive, but not exactly herald busting.
Then he fights Wonder Woman again. A short fight, but we do see Doomsday and her have a more fair fight this time, to the point that she actually hurts Doomsday. Take note though, that at this point, Doomsday runs when Superman arrives, so is, at the very least, not confident enough that it's at full power just yet. This is what Lex Luthor believes anyway. Though I see no other reason why it would run, tbh.
When Doomsday reappears in Mumbai, Superman fights him by himself. We've already been told that Superman is the only person Doctor Shay believes can even be around Doomsday for more than ten minutes (and we did see Diana get poisoned earlier). The fight, in which Superman carries him (WHILE FIGHTING HIM) to Venus, where Superman finally downs him with an enormous blast of heat vision:
This STILL isn't enough to kill Doomsday, as after Superman returns to Earth, Doomsday follows him. Doomsday obviously thinks he can kill him then, wouldn't you say? They proceed to fight some more, showing us that the heat vision was only enough to slow the creature down.
So Superman tears him in half, before breathing in the spores and falling over, completely ****ing knackered from what had just happened.
How can there be any doubt as to Doomsday's power level, given his two fights against DC's top male and female heralds (at least when it comes to physical combat)?
You said he fought Zod? When? On Krypton? When Doomsday had no real powers either, and was just a really hard to kill monster that they ended up having to put in the Phantom Zone? A phantom zone that he escaped from, now that I mention it.
So Doomsday has had what, fights so far? If we exclude DOS, obviously, as powers were different back then:
1. Fought Krypton, was locked in Phantom Zone.
2. Fought Wonder Woman, was winning.
3. Fought Steel, kicked his ass.
4. Short fight with Wonder Woman before Superman arrived, was pretty even.
5. Fought Superman, who ended up tearing him in half.That's more appearances than most "monster of the week" characters get, and we still are able to at least gauge a general power level with them. How can we not do that with Doomsday?
Seriously; I'm asking.
Prolly the best post ever made on KMC, profiled.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
I'd appreciate it 🙂
I will load it for you. A lot of pages but it really isn't much to see. After reading Pr post, Zod probably did beat him by throwing him in the Phantom Zone. It was never stated though so who knows. I'll let you decide. One sec...about to load it onto my photobucket.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Prolly the best post ever made on KMC, profiled.
Its a good post for Pr because he rarely debate like that. It's usually simple words. He actually took the time to post scans. I should come back with a counter but Pr patience isn't the best of him. It gets thin quickly.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
I'd appreciate it 🙂
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-22-13_zps11dbc363.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-22-59_zps75be8ee5.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-07_zps9e9f295c.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-23_zps1164af99.png.html
This is where it's conformed Zod beat Doomsday.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-27-23_zpsea4346cd.png.html
He won off panel so it's possible it could've been the Phantom Zone since we see Doomsday there afterwards and we also see him during the end of this book in the Phantom Zone.
Originally posted by carver9
Its a good post for Pr because he rarely debate like that. It's usually simple words. He actually took the time to post scans. I should come back with a counter but Pr patience isn't the best of him. It gets thin quickly.
I would let it go then.
Besides you got the most votes for a mod in the voting thread, so act like one🙂
Originally posted by carver9
Good post. Remember, I never said he was weak...I said Superman was more powerful. I think that's what you think I am saying but I'm not. I'm just saying he isn't on Superman or Hulk level.
which superman level? How can you say hes not on average superman or hulk level when superman had to stop holding back to beat him?
Originally posted by carver9
Its a good post for Pr because he rarely debate like that. It's usually simple words. He actually took the time to post scans. I should come back with a counter but Pr patience isn't the best of him. It gets thin quickly.
lol. I have patience. I just dont like underhandedness.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Prolly the best post ever made on KMC, profiled.
thanks. I wish i could debate more but i rarely have the time.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I would let it go then.Besides you got the most votes for a mod in the voting thread, so act like one🙂
Its entertaining debate against him though. I honestly don't have a counter for his post because I know Doomsday is powerful and he proved it. I just said he isn't on Hulks level. I even told Pr that Superman beating Doomsday is a good ft. I just think me and him have different opinions on where Doomsday stands tier wise...that's all. I hope be doesn't hold this over my head as a win because I have nothing to challenge with his post and from the way it looks, it seems like we are on the same page.
With that said, WWH still wins.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've been reckless with your mouth SEVERAL times this week in terms of my leadership![B]WATCH YOURSELF!!!
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Should I feel fear? I remain fearless in my resolve. We need new leadership. PR has what it takes with these kind of posts.
Perhaps less caps and red letters and more debating with Carver?
Originally posted by carver9I'll debate with you.
Its entertaining debate against him though. I honestly don't have a counter for his post because I know Doomsday is powerful and he proved it. I just said he isn't on Hulks level. I even told Pr that Superman beating Doomsday is a good ft. I just think me and him have different opinions on where Doomsday stands tier wise...that's all. I hope be doesn't hold this over my head as a win because I have nothing to challenge with his post and from the way it looks, it seems like we are on the same page.With that said, WWH still wins.
First, what attributes do you claim that WWH has over Superman? Strength, speed, healing factor?
Originally posted by h1a8
I'll debate with you.First, what attributes do you claim that WWH has over Superman? Strength, speed, healing factor?
Strength, and healing factor, durability as well if you want to include what he tanked when he was weakened. Anymore questions (trust me, you dont want to go here with me...I know more about both characters than you do and I have scans backing up every last one of my claims if I make any)?
Originally posted by carver9Thanks carv.http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-22-13_zps11dbc363.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-22-59_zps75be8ee5.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-07_zps9e9f295c.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-24-23_zps1164af99.png.htmlThis is where it's conformed Zod beat Doomsday.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-11-19-19-27-23_zpsea4346cd.png.html
He won off panel so it's possible it could've been the Phantom Zone since we see Doomsday there afterwards and we also see him during the end of this book in the Phantom Zone.
First of all, we know doomsday doesn't have an stable power lvl, he get's stronger while growing up. The doomsday that Zod AND the others kryps (powered to an unknown extent by that armor) faced was still in larva state so it was nowhere near current doomsday power-wise and even then the narration tell us the battle 'crumbled the city'.
The next we see of doomsday is that he's trapped in the phantom zone, so YES, Zod definitely beat it via bfr to the phantom zone. Later doomsday escapes and break the arms of wonder woman with one hit. Diana was holding off Zod and Faora empowered by apollo a few issues ahead.
In other words, an amped non-powered Zod had to bfr doomsday in it's earlier (therefore weakest) stage after a city and thousands died. Too many variables to use it as a low showing, huh?
