DCNU Superman vs WWH

Originally posted by -Pr-
which superman level? How can you say hes not on average superman or hulk level when superman had to stop holding back to beat him?

lol. I have patience. I just dont like underhandedness.

thanks. I wish i could debate more but i rarely have the time.

Didn't see this. Superman wasn't at his most powerful during that scene though. He was hurt, barely able to stand, damaged and he still managed to rip him to pieces. Then Superman temp took him out with a full on heat vision blast. I can't believe you think they are on the same level 'on average'. Superman would have to hold back tremendously for that statement to be true. Answer this, can you see an extremely pissed, non holding back, raged Thor ripping an average Superman in half? I can't, no matter how much Superman holds back.

I give you 10 post max and you'll be going crazy because I don't agree with the entirety of what you are saying. The count is starting now (bye everyone, it was nice knowing you all (will be banned soon). Well will see).

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Thanks carv.

First of all, we know doomsday doesn't have an stable power lvl, he get's stronger while growing up. The doomsday that Zod AND the others kryps (powered to an unknown extent by that armor) faced was still in larva state so it was nowhere near current doomsday power-wise and even then the narration tell us the battle 'crumbled the city'.

The next we see of doomsday is that he's trapped in the phantom zone, so YES, Zod definitely beat it via bfr to the phantom zone. Later doomsday escapes and break the arms of wonder woman with one hit. Diana was holding off Zod and Faora empowered by apollo a few issues ahead.

In other words, an amped non-powered Zod had to bfr doomsday in it's earlier (therefore weakest) stage after a city and thousands died. Too many variables to use it as a low showing, huh?

Nnnnooooo, I don't think it's a low showing at all...I'm just saying he doesn't have enough fts to be considered a high Herald. That's all.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't see this. Superman wasn't at his most powerful during that scene though. He was hurt, barely able to stand, damaged and he still managed to rip him to pieces. Then Superman temp took him out with a full on heat vision blast. I can't believe you think they are on the same level 'on average'. Superman would have to hold back tremendously for that statement to be true. Answer this, can you see an extremely pissed, non holding back, raged Thor ripping an average Superman in half? I can't, no matter how much Superman holds back.

I don't agree with this at all. Why would you say such and awful thing like this?

Originally posted by carver9
Nnnnooooo, I don't think it's a low showing at all...I'm just saying he doesn't have enough fts to be considered a high Herald. That's all.

Originally posted by carver9
Nnnnooooo, I don't think it's a low showing at all...I'm just saying he doesn't have enough fts to be considered a high Herald. That's all.

This Doomsday beats WWH.

You don't think WWH is at least a high herald?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
He has enough fts to be considered a high herald while none contradicting it.

Don't get it. Which fts?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I don't agree with this at all. Why would you say such and awful thing like this?

What did I say wrong? What I'm saying is, Superman is more powerful than him. What is wrong with that?

Originally posted by carver9
What did I say wrong? What I'm saying is, Superman is more powerful than him. What is wrong with that?

You're acknowledging Superman's power while simultaneously diminishing Doomsday's.

That is the problem.

Originally posted by carver9
What did I say wrong? What I'm saying is, Superman is more powerful than him. What is wrong with that?

My apologies, * wasn't, read, *was.

My eyes are blurry today.

I agree then, It actually shows what depth's he can reach even when damaged, exhausted, and worn down..

These kinds of things make me realize he either can instantly amp, or as always, is always holding back, even in the face of defeat.

But that does not take away from DD or his ferocity.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're acknowledging Superman's power while simultaneously diminishing Doomsday's.

That is the problem.

So me saying Doomsday isn't on Hulk or Superman's level is diminishing his power? Do you think Doomsday is on Superman's level?

Originally posted by carver9
So me saying Doomsday isn't on Hulk or Superman's level is diminishing his power? Do you think Doomsday is on Superman's level?

Thats an impossible answer because its not black and white as you think. Whenever it comes down to it Superman can beat him even in the face of death. Look at the Death of Superman issue. He had to "die" to get it done.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
My apologies, * wasn't, read, *was.

My eyes are blurry today.

I agree then, It actually shows what depth's he can reach even when damaged, exhausted, and worn down..

These kinds of things make me realize he either can instantly amp, or as always, is always holding back, even in the face of defeat.

But that does not take away from DD or his ferocity.

I disagree with Pr concept on Superman and Doomsday power level. I think Doomsday isn't a peer of Superman, at all...even on average which again, is what I disagree with which is the reason I brought up Thor and Superman. Or we could use Hulk and Thor...doesn't matter...none of these people are getting ripped in half by each other. Hulk has ripped and tore adamantium to shreds, I still wouldn't say he could do the same to a top tier and adamantium is more durable than all of them, combined.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thats an impossible answer because its not black and white as you think. Whenever it comes down to it Superman can beat him even in the face of death. Look at the Death of Superman issue. He had to "die" to get it done.

I agree with this. You are agreeing with my argument...Superman is more powerful than Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
So me saying Doomsday isn't on Hulk or Superman's level is diminishing his power? Do you think Doomsday is on Superman's level?

Doomsday isn't on Superman's level but his power clearly approaches his level.

WWH isn't on Superman's overall level of power but clearly he is in the same tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't get it. Which fts?

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Stomping WW in their first encounter, it's battles with supes, destroying the phantom zone barriers and escaping from it under it's own power, beating mongul and non, etc

He didn't beat Mongul and Non. Do you have scans of that because I remember Batman saying he is impressed with Mongul for surviving an encounter against Doomsday.

His WW showing is highly impressive.

Supes destroyed him though.

I do not think this is enough to be a high Herald. Don't get it...people on here still consider Hulk as a mid Herald when he has punched dimensions to dust, punched a trans tier (Onslaught) to dust, ripped Cryptoman who was multiples of times more powerful than Thor to pieces. Straight up gave a guy whos peer matched Thor in a fight a heart attack with 3 hits. Ripped Adamantium to shreds. Nearly Overpowered a freaking abstract. Punched so hard that time itself reversed. Punch was so hard that it outmatched an abstract weapon. Was lifting himself off the ground while having the weight of the sun on his back. Moved and overpowers time stop. Tanked an explosion (while weakened) that split a planet in half. Organs withstood the power of 117 Hercules. Thunder clapped and koed a being that is more powerful than 17 Hercs. Outperformed a freaking Sky father in her own dimension with just one hand and a foot. Ripped enchanted Uru to shreds. Punched a ship that was the size of a continent out of orbit into another planet. One shot koed a trans tier with a thunder clap while holsding back. The list goes on and on...fts piss on anything Doomsday could ever hope to dream about but yet he is still in the Herald tier, some don't even consider him a high Herald. Ya know, the guy who has been classified as the most powerful creature in existence. With his fts, he should be a trans tier or skyfather. I don't think you are asking for much when it comes to placing someone in the High Herald tier.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You've been reckless with your mouth SEVERAL times this week in terms of my leadership!

[B]WATCH YOURSELF!!! [/B]

I know more about leadership (and Superman) than you do.

Originally posted by carver9
Didn't see this. Superman wasn't at his most powerful during that scene though. He was hurt, barely able to stand, damaged and he still managed to rip him to pieces. Then Superman temp took him out with a full on heat vision blast. I can't believe you think they are on the same level 'on average'. Superman would have to hold back tremendously for that statement to be true. Answer this, can you see an extremely pissed, non holding back, raged Thor ripping an average Superman in half? I can't, no matter how much Superman holds back.

I give you 10 post max and you'll be going crazy because I don't agree with the entirety of what you are saying. The count is starting now (bye everyone, it was nice knowing you all (will be banned soon). Well will see).

Superman was tiring from the fight, yes. That was why he truly went all out, as his "normal" attacks weren't doing it.

Like in the original DOS, for example.

Superman doesn't use heat vision after he tears him in half.

You really think that peers can't do stuff like that? You don't think Doomsday was tiring also? Superman had been fighting Doomsday, they'd both been wailing on each other. They were both weakened, so Superman had to use what energy he had left so he could go all out, imo.

Don't make excuses now. As if anyone would ever get banned over not reading the comic properly.

If your single reason why Doomsday isn't on "that level" is because he got torn in half, that is some really poor logic, tbh. shrug

You really don't think Doomsday is high herald because of that? Really?

Or is it because SOME people (not actually including me) believe that Hulk is mid-herald, when we both know he's high? Is that what this is?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know more about leadership (and Superman) than you do.

Superman was tiring from the fight, yes. That was why he truly went all out, as his "normal" attacks weren't doing it.

Like in the original DOS, for example.

Superman doesn't use heat vision after he tears him in half.

You really think that peers can't do stuff like that? You don't think Doomsday was tiring also? Superman had been fighting Doomsday, they'd both been wailing on each other. They were both weakened, so Superman had to use what energy he had left so he could go all out, imo.

Don't make excuses now. As if anyone would ever get banned over not reading the comic properly.

If your single reason why Doomsday isn't on "that level" is because he got torn in half, that is some really poor logic, tbh. shrug

You really don't think Doomsday is high herald because of that? Really?

Or is it because SOME people (not actually including me) believe that Hulk is mid-herald, when we both know he's high? Is that what this is?

Just playing about the ban comment but I think it takes more than what he's done to be considered a high Herald. Look how hard Superman had to work after the reboot to get into that tier, even though he had the planet benching and H'el punching ft.

Wonder Woman has trounced everyone that has came her way and people still consider her low to mid Herald. It takes work, not a couple of showings.

Originally posted by carver9
He didn't beat Mongul and Non. Do you have scans of that because I remember Batman saying he is impressed with Mongul for surviving an encounter against Doomsday.

His WW showing is highly impressive.

Supes destroyed him though.

I do not think this is enough to be a high Herald. Don't get it...people on here still consider Hulk as a mid Herald when he has punched dimensions to dust, punched a trans tier (Onslaught) to dust, ripped Cryptoman who was multiples of times more powerful than Thor to pieces. Straight up gave a guy whos peer matched Thor in a fight a heart attack with 3 hits. Ripped Adamantium to shreds. Nearly Overpowered a freaking abstract. Punched so hard that time itself reversed. Punch was so hard that it outmatched an abstract weapon. Was lifting himself off the ground while having the weight of the sun on his back. Moved and overpowers time stop. Tanked an explosion (while weakened) that split a planet in half. Organs withstood the power of 117 Hercules. Thunder clapped and koed a being that is more powerful than 17 Hercs. Outperformed a freaking Sky father in her own dimension with just one hand and a foot. Ripped enchanted Uru to shreds. Punched a ship that was the size of a continent out of orbit into another planet. One shot koed a trans tier with a thunder clap while holsding back. The list goes on and on...fts piss on anything Doomsday could ever hope to dream about but yet he is still in the Herald tier, some don't even consider him a high Herald. Ya know, the guy who has been classified as the most powerful creature in existence. With his fts, he should be a trans tier or skyfather. I don't think you are asking for much when it comes to placing someone in the High Herald tier.

This thread is limited to the WHH arc as stated by Pr so all of that doesn't matter. Going by that logic characters like blight or monarch are weak bc they lack the number of feats mainstream heroes have? That's bad logic my friend.

Originally posted by Reflassshh
Citing different incarnations and naming feats without context won't help your case.

This thread is limited to the WHH arc as stated by Pr so all of that doesn't matter. Going by that logic characters like blight or monarch are weak bc they lack the number of feats mainstream heroes have? That's bad logic my friend.

Which ft is out of context and Hulk is Hulk..the same person except WWH is the most powerful. World Breaker and WWH is separate entities based off the rules but Hulk fts still belong to him. Don't know how you can separate fts from a character that power is to amp. You might as well take all of his fts away any time he is angry. I can understand if he received an outside amp but that isn't the case here...everything I've named was done under his own power by weaker incarnations or WWH himself.