Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you comparing Malgus with Yoda? 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
I would say that if that description was all we knew and it came from an omniscient narrator, yeah he'd probably take some time to get past that. 'Near impenetrable' isn't something you shrug your ****ing shoulders at. It means that even the best would find it a challenge.
a) Where was it actually stated?
b) Kenobi was ''the master of Soresu'' yet has been put on his ass multiple times.
No it isn't. Again you are ignoring the disparity between technical ability (how much one has mastered a form of combat) and overall combat ability. Just because Obi-Wan is an excellent Soresu master does not mean he cannot be overwhelmed by people much more powerful than him.
'Nearly impenetrable defense' on the other hand is a flat description of combat ability, encompassing all elements of swordplay.
Originally posted by Nephthys
'Nearly impenetrable defense' on the other hand is a flat description of combat ability, encompassing all elements of swordplay.
"Crip the handle lightly in your fingers. Control the weapon with your wrist and hand rather than the muscles of your arm. You will sacrifice reach and leverage, but you will be able to create a shield of impenetrable defense."
"Defense will not slay my enemy," Zannah remarked, smoothly transferring the spinning crimson blades from her left hand to her right and back again.
"You lack the physical strength required for the powerful attacking strikes of Djem So or the other aggressive forms" her Master explained. "You must rely on quickness, cunning and, most of all, patience to best your enemies."
First off, it doesn't note that her defense was impenetrable, only that by combining a double-bladed lightsaber and Soresu she'd be able to make it impenetrable.
Second, she lacks physical strength and relies on cunning and patience, so I don't see how it refers to ''all elements of swordplay''.
Third, it's mentioned as ''impenetrable'', not ''nearly impenetrable''.
Big hyperbole.
Originally posted by Nephthys'
Oh and by the way, the description of Galen having 'near perfect' lightsaber ability comes from the database in the first game. AKA directly from the games creators and is thus infallible.
Marek having ''near perfect'' lightsaber ability means he's good, but it doesn't mean he's better than a lot of other combatants.
He was only overwhelming Maris Brood when he changed his style who didn't even know what it meant.
Big hyperbole.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nah. I found the conversation in Rule of Two."Crip the handle lightly in your fingers. Control the weapon with your wrist and hand rather than the muscles of your arm. You will sacrifice reach and leverage, [B]but you will be able to create a shield of impenetrable defense."
"Defense will not slay my enemy," Zannah remarked, smoothly transferring the spinning crimson blades from her left hand to her right and back again.
"You lack the physical strength required for the powerful attacking strikes of Djem So or the other aggressive forms" her Master explained. "You must rely on quickness, cunning and, most of all, patience to best your enemies."
First off, it doesn't note that her defense was impenetrable, only that by combining a double-bladed lightsaber and Soresu she'd be able to make it impenetrable.
Second, she lacks physical strength and relies on cunning and patience, so I don't see how it refers to ''all elements of swordplay''.
Third, it's mentioned as ''impenetrable'', not ''nearly impenetrable''.
Big hyperbole.[/b]
It's mentioned a few times more:
'She scrambled to her feet and twirled her lightsaber before her, creating what she hoped would be an impenetrable wall of defense. Instead of trying to pierce her guard, Bane leapt high in the air and came down almost right on top of her. She deftly parried his blade, redirecting it to the side as she spun away to keep his body from slamming into her. But Bane caught her on the chin with his elbow as she turned, the blow snapping her head back. Her body went limp, her weapon dropped from her nerveless fingers, and she crumpled to the ground.'
'The man with the green lightsaber saved her. He leapt in to finish her off, blocking his companion from doing the same. Against his pedestrian assault she was able to regain her feet and slide into the sequence of moves that were the foundation of her virtually impenetrable style.'
And in DoE:
'Zannah wasn't used to being the aggressor. In all the times she and Bane had sparred he had been the one pressing the action. Her lightsaber style was built on a foundation of parries and counterstrikes, hiding behind her virtually impenetrable defense while waiting for her opponent to make a mistake.'
'The next exchange had a more familiar feel. Bane pressed the action with a devastating, complex combination of attacks, but Zannah was able to intercept, parry, or deflect each one. Her defensive style was simple, but performed correctly it was nearly impenetrable.'
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Apparantly you haven't gotten the point.Marek having ''near perfect'' lightsaber ability means he's good, but it doesn't mean he's better than a lot of other combatants.
He was only overwhelming Maris Brood when he changed his style who didn't even know what it meant.
Big hyperbole.
I never said that it did make him better than them. All I've said is that its a fantastic bit of praise and is better than anything mentioned about Malgus in terms of skill. I then backed up my point with the observation that Malgus has neither a speed not strength advantage over Marek and that Marek has defeated opponents with actual accolades and feats under their belts. Without an advantage to off-set Mareks skill, I can comfortably conclude Malgus' defeat.
Yes it is likely hyperbole. So what? Hyperbole isn't completely irrelevant, especially since that's a pretty unambiguous statement altogether.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It's mentioned a few times more:Alright. Seems to me it was the style (Soresu) that was nearly impenetrable. But thanks for the quotes.
It's not irrelevant, but not decisive.
Agreed?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I never said that it did make him better than them.
Originally posted by Nephthys
All I've said is that its a fantastic bit of praise and is better than anything mentioned about Malgus in terms of skill.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I then backed up my point with the observation that Malgus has neither a speed not strength advantage over Marek and that Marek has defeated opponents with actual accolades and feats under their belts.
Please don't say Vader.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Without an advantage to off-set Mareks skill, I can comfortably conclude Malgus' defeat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes it is likely hyperbole. So what? Hyperbole isn't completely irrelevant, especially since that's a pretty unambiguous statement altogether.
Agreed?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's not irrelevant, but not decisive.Agreed?
TBH I don't even know why we're talking about this, but sure.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sure.
Sigh. Do I need to spell everything out for you? I meant that I didn't claim that it made him better than 'a lot of other combatants.' Only Malgus.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Who has Marek defeated that is worth of note? In a strict duel?Please don't say Vader.
Darth Vader. He is easily superior to anyone Malgus has defeated. He actually has, you know, feats and evidence his side? You know, unlike some people?
Whoops.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
In a all-out fight? Maybe. Probably. But in a strict duel? No.
Why not? What the hell has Malgus done that makes you so hungry for his cock? All he has are those trailers, which look flashy but offer very little in the way of context or analysis of his abilities.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It isn't irrelevant but it's not desicive either.Agreed?
No, its pretty decisive.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sigh. Do I need to spell everything out for you? I meant that I didn't claim that it made him better than 'a lot of other combatants.' Only Malgus'.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Darth Vader. He is easily superior to anyone Malgus has defeated. He actually has, you know, feats and evidence his side? You know, unlike some people?Whoops.
We went over this in the other thread.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why not? What the hell has Malgus done that makes you so hungry for his cock?
Originally posted by Nephthys
All he has are those trailers, which look flashy but offer very little in the way of context or analysis of his abilities.
...Galen Marek is a motherf***ing Force prodigy. He could best Malgus pretty easily. His height, his acrobacy, his speed, his Force power, his saber styles, his lightsaber, and--of course--Force repulse are all advantages.
He could beat him as easily as he could Savage Opress. He could've killed Satele and that Zabrak on his own quite handily in his own 'Return' trailer at apprentice-level, and seeing his evolvement, Malgus would lose to Galen like Ventress did to Dooku.
Malgus is managing all those operations on the Vaiken spacedock when Galen could be doing all of that himself. Galen defeated tons of Jedi Masters/Dark Jedi/Sith for and against Vader. Malgus is being cheesy and sitting on his throne like a fatass declaring himself new Emperor when suddenly a Republic/Imperial strike team comes aboard and kills him. I can see Galen doing all of that by himself, and taking his place as Emperor rightfully.
Malgus can go suck an egg (which his head is shaped like.) Galen galen GALEN! Deal with it, he wins, and your fanlike, over-glorified nature of thinking about Malgus doesn't get you anywhere in this argument. Even I don't really pay attention to Galen anymore, but you renewed my interest, and I just realized how much better he is than Malgus.
Bonus: Zannah</=Satele Shan>>>Malgus
Scenario 1: Bane dominates thoroughly (End of DOE).
Scenario 2: Bane wins with no effort (ROT).
Seriously? Bane is a monstrosity, in combat he was by far the most ferocious Sith Lord, a rival in endurance to Malgus, then add his greater knowledge of the Dark Side, approaching Vitiate's and Palpatine's, and he annihilates Malgus.
With the Orbalisks he'd take down the Sith Emperor and NJO Luke.
Shaak Ti is a notable defeat on Galen's part. While at first look, Shaak Ti doesn't seem all that special, she's really stronger than most give her credit for.
Firstly, she was able to influence and empower the inhabitants of a large section of a planet to fight off Starkiller in TFU, showing her mastery of the Force. She was even capable of controlling the Sarlaac. Not to mention her offensive Force attacks she displayed in her battle with Starkiller.
Secondly, as we can see in SW:CW, she was able to fend off a tremendously large group of MagnaGuards with her lightsaber skills, and was noted by Dooku that by the time of LoE, despite her loss to Grievous in the early stages of the Clone Wars, Shaak Ti was an opponent that Grievous could not overcome in a duel in Dooku's perspective.
Finally, Obi-Wan Kenobi noted Shaak Ti as an even more cunning Jedi than himself, and even noted that many of his tricks that he uses were taken from her originally.
It can also be noted that by the time she was put on the Council, she was relatively young in comparison to many of the other members, which may point to her being a prodigy. This is further backed up by the fact that by the time of TFU, even Vader was quite wary of her powers.
Starkiller, before he finished his training, was able to defeat Shaak Ti by himself, and only grew more powerful from then on. And as Nephthys pointed out, he also defeated Vader when he was at his peak. Starkiller is far from feat-less.
Though I will say Starkiller vs Malgus is a somewhat debatable fight.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Shaak Ti is a notable defeat on Galen's part. While at first look, Shaak Ti doesn't seem all that special, she's really stronger than most give her credit for.Firstly, she was able to influence and empower the inhabitants of a large section of a planet to fight off Starkiller in TFU, showing her mastery of the Force. She was even capable of controlling the Sarlaac. Not to mention her offensive Force attacks she displayed in her battle with Starkiller.
Secondly, as we can see in SW:CW, she was able to fend off a tremendously large group of MagnaGuards with her lightsaber skills, and was noted by Dooku that by the time of LoE, despite her loss to Grievous in the early stages of the Clone Wars, Shaak Ti was an opponent that Grievous could not overcome in a duel in Dooku's perspective.
Finally, Obi-Wan Kenobi noted Shaak Ti as an even more cunning Jedi than himself, and even noted that many of his tricks that he uses were taken from her originally.
It can also be noted that by the time she was put on the Council, she was relatively young in comparison to many of the other members, which may point to her being a prodigy. This is further backed up by the fact that by the time of TFU, even Vader was quite wary of her powers.
Starkiller, before he finished his training, was able to defeat Shaak Ti by himself, and only grew more powerful from then on. And as Nephthys pointed out, he also defeated Vader when he was at his peak. Starkiller is far from feat-less.
Though I will say Starkiller vs Malgus is a somewhat debatable fight.