Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
2-3 people doesn't mean it's public knowledge. 2-3 people who the rest of the world don't even knew they have knowledge about it.So unless you're smoking crack or just plain desperate to twist information to your own interpretation, then no it's not public knowledge.
Wow lol getting kind of menstrual aren't we? it's just a comic book debate.
No, not quite "public knowledge", but my point is that the knowledge is out there (and perhaps accessible). It's not 3 or so people who know, it's three or so people who have indicated that they know. If criminals in that world behave anything like criminals in this world then when they plot together they are very likely to share info; especially useful info like that.
But Hey, I never cared about the Spider Sense debate anyway. I was just responding to the guy telling me that someone had deliberately set up traps for it. Originally I was arguing that the issue wasn't even critical because If Batman interprets spider sense feats that he observes in footage of Spiderman as simply insane reaction time, the way he prepares for it will be similar to the way he would prepare if he knew about Spider Sense (multiple threats accompanied by distractions).
Originally posted by Silent Master
There are several people that know Batman is atually Bruce Wayne, does that mean that Batman's secret identity is general knowledge?
a secret identity isn't the best example since those who know it intentionally decide to keep it a secret. No, SS may not actually be "public knowledge", as I said above; if one were going to discuss it perhaps the better question would be is it "accessible knowledge".
Originally posted by Perceiver1
a secret identity isn't the best example since those who know it intentionally decide to keep it a secret. No, SS may not actually be "public knowledge", as I said above; if one were going to discuss it perhaps the better question would be is it "accessible knowledge".
So you're arguing that the heroes that know about the Spider-sense don't keep it a secret?
Ok, post some scans where the heroes in question tell others about the SS.
It's not common knowledge. I doubt most of the avengers even know about it.
Originally posted by Perceiver1
Wow lol getting kind of menstrual aren't we? it's just a comic book debate.No, not quite "public knowledge", but my point is that the knowledge is out there (and perhaps accessible). It's not 3 or so people who know, it's three or so people who have indicated that they know. If criminals in that world behave anything like criminals in this world then when they plot together they are very likely to share info; especially useful info like that.
But Hey, I never cared about the Spider Sense debate anyway. I was just responding to the guy telling me that someone had deliberately set up traps for it. Originally I was arguing that the issue wasn't even critical because If Batman interprets spider sense feats that he observes in footage of Spiderman as simply insane reaction time, the way he prepares for it will be similar to the way he would prepare if he knew about Spider Sense (multiple threats accompanied by distractions).
Ok maybe I overreacted but the point that you're trying to convey, the accessibility bit simply isn't there.
As far as I know the only people who have actually weaponized a solution and were able to exploit it besides Ironfist (of which I'm not familiar) would be:
Dr. Octopus - Yeah, not accessible since he is Spider-man atm
Norman Osborn - Last I recall he was comatose but he seemed to have regained
Tony Stark - Not anymore as the OMD/BND event made Tony Stark lose memory of Peter becoming his PA.
Mysterio - Not in 616 atm.
So that leaves one person who was able to exploit it and he's just as deranged and crazy as Joker.
Other people who are intimately knowledgeable about peter simply don't know the mechanics of it and the nature of it being exploitable are simply too complicated (being retconned to pheromone in nature, then back again).
Spider sense not common knowledge? He constantly makes outloud references to it. "We'll maybe if you had spider sense like me" as he's joking with people and such. Now if its a random encounter batman may not know this, but with any kind of prep, and a few clicks of the bat computer, Bruce will be ready.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, who thinks that the spider sense is common knowledge?I'm not sure that it is, tbh.
The public doesn't know about it.
A few individuals in the hero/villain communities know it exists, but it's not widespread knowledge. Furthermore, the mechanics behind how it works certainly isn't common knowledge.
To date, only a few people know it and Spider-Man well enough to actually develop counter measures for it or even nullify it. Off the top of my head, that list includes Doom, Stark, Osborn, and maybe a couple of others?
Batman's good, but good enough to shut down the spider-sense with limited prep time and overall inferior tech/science know how as the guys I mentioned, let alone far less intimate knowledge as them? I doubt it, tbh.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The public doesn't know about it.A few individuals in the hero/villain communities know it exists, but it's not widespread knowledge. Furthermore, the mechanics behind how it works certainly isn't common knowledge.
To date, only a few people know it and Spider-Man well enough to actually develop counter measures for it or even nullify it. Off the top of my head, that list includes Doom, Stark, Osborn, and maybe a couple of others?
Batman's good, but good enough to shut down the spider-sense with limited prep time and overall inferior tech/science know how as the guys I mentioned, let alone far less intimate knowledge as them? I doubt it, tbh.
That's what I thought...
Originally posted by Perceiver1
There is News footage of Spiderman, it has been part of the plot of some of the comics.The reason JJJ hired Parker was because of the breadth of the photos he provided.
The general point is valid though, looking at the news footage wouldn't tell someone about Spider sense; it might however show someone that Spiderman had completely ridiculous reaction-time.
Spidey's an Avenger, right?
High profile job like that, with the news exposure they get, and his power set isn't public knowledge?
Can't Bruce call Avengers mansion and ask about him, under some pretext?
Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're arguing that the heroes that know about the Spider-sense don't keep it a secret?Ok, post some scans where the heroes in question tell others about the SS.
If it's a secret,it's a secret.
But I'm surprised, given how Peter usually won't shut up about his powers as he's doing his thing and cracking jokes, e.g. "Nice try, Lester, but I have the speed and agility of a Spider!"
Originally posted by Silent Master
So now the argument is that the SS isn't a secret, because Spider-man tells everyone about it, plus the Avengers are in the habit of telling random strangers all about the powers/weaknesses of all their teammates?
Yes to the first, no to the second?
Second argument, is the Avengers get a ton of public exposure and press, with reporters following them around all the time. They ain't the X-men, they're public figures where everything they (and whomever they fight) say and do is in danger of being broadcast.