IM 3 is the Superman Returns of the IM franchise.
TIE-INS WITH MARVEL MOVIE UNIVERSe:
We got few flash backs and allusions about the NY battle and a little cameo from the Hulk/Banner who is sporting white hair like he's 20 years older and a beard. That's it.
WAR MACHINE MISUSAGE:
We were told Rhodey was gonna get more action and scree-time. UNLIKELY. All he did is getting robbed of his armor and flying around without shooting down anything or fighting anybody. He got punked by an extremis enhanced woman and that's it. What he did in the rest of the movie was like him being a character out of a James Bond movie. Gunfight, hth combat. In the end he fly off with the US President. Re-dubbing him Iron Patriot? POINTLESS.
MISUSAGE OF THE STARK ARMORY:
We get to see prototypes and operative models of the IM armor just to have a Power Rangers style battle where we see em flyin' around self-destructing or fighting extremis supersoldiers. Now in THE AVENGERS IM can take down Chitauris Behemots and here he and his armors have issues taking down extremis enhanced humans? GIMME A BREAK!
MISUSAGE OF THE MANDARIN/TWIST:
WORST PORTRAYAL AND INSULT TO AN EPIC COMIC BOOK VILLAIN EVER. WHAT IS THE POINT OF CASTING A GREAT ACTOR LIKE KINGSLEY TO HAVE HIM PLAY A OPIUM ADDICT LOW LEVEL ACTOR TO PLAY A FAKE TERRORIST?
Aldrich Killian turns out to be The Mandarin who is acting just of out of jealousy for not being at Stark's level and trying to get laid with Pepper Potts. WTF IS THIS? ORANGE COUNTY? BEVERLY HILLS?
MAN OF STEEL IS GOING TO PISS ON IM3 BIG TIME. I HOPE THOR: THE DARK WORLD IS NOT AT IM3 LEVEL OR OTHERWISE THE MARVEL MOVIE FRANCHISE IS GONNA GO DOWN. WORST MOVIE WITH F4, F4: ROTSS, AND THE SYNGER X-MEN FAILURE
Originally posted by K3VIL
IM 3 is the Superman Returns of the IM franchise.TIE-INS WITH MARVEL MOVIE UNIVERSe:
We got few flash backs and allusions about the NY battle and a little cameo from the Hulk/Banner who is sporting white hair like he's 20 years older and a beard. That's it.
WAR MACHINE MISUSAGE:
We were told Rhodey was gonna get more action and scree-time. UNLIKELY. All he did is getting robbed of his armor and flying around without shooting down anything or fighting anybody. He got punked by an extremis enhanced woman and that's it. What he did in the rest of the movie was like him being a character out of a James Bond movie. Gunfight, hth combat. In the end he fly off with the US President. Re-dubbing him Iron Patriot? POINTLESS.
MISUSAGE OF THE STARK ARMORY:
We get to see prototypes and operative models of the IM armor just to have a Power Rangers style battle where we see em flyin' around self-destructing or fighting extremis supersoldiers. Now in THE AVENGERS IM can take down Chitauris Behemots and here he and his armors have issues taking down extremis enhanced humans? GIMME A BREAK!
MISUSAGE OF THE MANDARIN/TWIST:
WORST PORTRAYAL AND INSULT TO AN EPIC COMIC BOOK VILLAIN EVER. WHAT IS THE POINT OF CASTING A GREAT ACTOR LIKE KINGSLEY TO HAVE HIM PLAY A OPIUM ADDICT LOW LEVEL ACTOR TO PLAY A FAKE TERRORIST?
Aldrich Killian turns out to be The Mandarin who is acting just of out of jealousy for not being at Stark's level and trying to get laid with Pepper Potts. WTF IS THIS? ORANGE COUNTY? BEVERLY HILLS?MAN OF STEEL IS GOING TO PISS ON IM3 BIG TIME. I HOPE THOR: THE DARK WORLD IS NOT AT IM3 LEVEL OR OTHERWISE THE MARVEL MOVIE FRANCHISE IS GONNA GO DOWN. WORST MOVIE WITH F4, F4: ROTSS, AND THE SYNGER X-MEN FAILURE
Lol, I'm gonna have to agree that MOS will piss all over IM 3 in terms of story. Had it been the real Mandarin vs IM as the first part of the movie been developing towards, it would a been awesome. Instead, we get a another mad businessman that wants revenge on Tony.
The final fight made me gag really. It was like watching a Transformers movie where you can't make out most of the stuff. Things were just blowing up and the hero manages to survive numerous potential killer moment. Those armors were pretty much useless. Hulk Buster came charging in and then it became a huge car jack to hold up a container. wtf?
IM 3, while good, was also a big disappointment. I hate when director/studios pisses on characters (Mandarin, armors, and Rhodey).
Originally posted by juggernaut74
Anybody want to tell me where in the f*ck SHIELD was during this whole movie? You'd think they'd be all over this terrorist and his attacks.
Yeah, I didn't like that bit either. I could see the real Mandarin giving Shield a hard time but Killian and his hollywood set? At least with Mandarin, he can have a network of terrorist (Ten Rings) that cover his track. Killian has a little organization with some henchmen at his disposal.
I was thinking Mandarin was so badass that he had Killian and AIM under his control. Then it turned out, it was Killian, AIM, and his actor called Mandarin. FML
IMO Iron Man 3 is EASILY the best of the Iron Man films. Best writing. Best action set pieces. A legitimate character arc. Some actual pathos from the lead character. Surprising twists.
Some precious comic fans are grumpy because of the Mandarin twist, but I thought it was great, and I didn't see it coming, which is rare. I saw IM3 with some class mates, none of which are comics fans, when the movie was over they asked me "Is that what Mandarin is like in the comics?" I said "No, he has super kung fu and can fight Iron Man in hand to hand combat unaided and also he has ten magic rings." They all thought that was the stupidest thing they've ever heard. Those are the people this change was made for.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
IMO Iron Man 3 is EASILY the best of the Iron Man films. Best writing. Best action set pieces. A legitimate character arc. Some actual pathos from the lead character. Surprising twists.Some precious comic fans are grumpy because of the Mandarin twist, but I thought it was great, and I didn't see it coming, which is rare. I saw IM3 with some class mates, none of which are comics fans, when the movie was over they asked me "Is that what Mandarin is like in the comics?" I said "No, he has super kung fu and can fight Iron Man in hand to hand combat unaided and also he has ten magic rings." They all thought that was the stupidest thing they've ever heard. Those are the people this change was made for.
Eh, he doesn't need to have magic rings. The built up for Mandarin was great though. A terrorist/teacher type whole hated America. He was like a Ra's Al Ghul/Joker villain. It looked like IM was going to take on an international organization and instead we get IM fighting another pissed off businessman. Mandarin can be a terrorist on the level of Ra's Al Ghul and even then IM would have a hard time hunting down. Tony's got millions of dollars even he isn't going to track someone like say Osama Bin Laden easily. What's all the tech good for against guerrilla fighters? We saw a glimpse of that when Rhodey tried to find Mandarin and having no luck.
The Mandarin twist sucked because they built him up to be a credible threat even with his magic rings. He outright killed a guy after the president gave in. He blew up Stark's mansion after Stark gave him his address. He bombed the Man's Chinese threat and had AIM working for him. He could be a frail, old man and still work if he's manipulative bastard with a cult willing to carry out his orders. Furthermore, Kingsley played a convincing Mandarin so yeah I was bummed when they wasted the build up to give it a twist because they think the Mandarin is all about kung fu and those rings. The twist is cop out because Shane hates the Mandarin for being a caricature yet Kingsley's Mandarin was marvelous.
IM 1 - business partner wanted Stark dead to take over the company
IM 2 - mad scientist wanted Stark dead as revenge
IM 3 - mad scientist/businessman wanted revenge on Stark
Marvel seem to like to rehash stuff.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Eh, he doesn't need to have magic rings. The built up for Mandarin was great though. A terrorist/teacher type whole hated America. He was like a Ra's Al Ghul/Joker villain. It looked like IM was going to take on an international organization and instead we get IM fighting another pissed off businessman. Mandarin can be a terrorist on the level of Ra's Al Ghul and even then IM would have a hard time hunting down. Tony's got millions of dollars even he isn't going to track someone like say Osama Bin Laden easily. What's all the tech good for against guerrilla fighters? We saw a glimpse of that when Rhodey tried to find Mandarin and having no luck.The Mandarin twist sucked because they built him up to be a credible threat even with his magic rings. He outright killed a guy after the president gave in. He blew up Stark's mansion after Stark gave him his address. He bombed the Man's Chinese threat and had AIM working for him. He could be a frail, old man and still work if he's manipulative bastard with a cult willing to carry out his orders. Furthermore, Kingsley played a convincing Mandarin so yeah I was bummed when they wasted the build up to give it a twist because they think the Mandarin is all about kung fu and those rings. The twist is cop out because Shane hates the Mandarin for being a caricature yet Kingsley's Mandarin was marvelous.
IM 1 - business partner wanted Stark dead to take over the company
IM 2 - mad scientist wanted Stark dead as revenge
IM 3 - mad scientist/businessman wanted revenge on StarkMarvel seem to like to rehash stuff.
So... you missed the whole point of the movie.
I don't think he did.
Tony's story arc was great. The dialogue was great. Even the general plot coming into the mid-way point was great (AIM made Extremis, funded by Mandarin). We didn't need magic ring. The terrorist angle was good enough for me. Enhance him with a better version of Extremis and I wouldn't care that it's not his power set. Just don't punk the guy out by being an actor.
The movie itself was great - I just don't think the Mandarin's twist should have been executed. You traded a villain (as portrayed in the film) with layers for a white guy who wanted a trophy to prove he was better than Stark. The entire second half, viewed from the lens of the villain, collapses IMO. Tony's story (his arc and transformation) was perfect - I just think that same transformation could have taken place with the Mandarin as the final villain.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Can anyone explain to me Killian's reason for wanting to kill the president?
Wel l rist and foremost killing the President over that oil rig or whatever would be a showcase of the Mandarin. Since the President apparently saved corporate heads it would be a fitting place of demise for the "Mandarin." I also believe the President has been against Extremis and other genetic modification stuff.
Also with the President dead the widespread panic and call for revenge will give a huge boost to Killian's funds as the demand for Extremis will be high. They are run off of military contracts and since in this scenario, War Machine failed the Pentagon would give boatloads of money to Killian.
Finally with the President dead the Vice President would obviously be the new President and in the movie the VP was in cahoots with Killian to ensure that he controls the war on terror.
Really it's just an overly complicated scheme to make Extremis work.
Originally posted by Based
Wel l rist and foremost killing the President over that oil rig or whatever would be a showcase of the Mandarin. Since the President apparently saved corporate heads it would be a fitting place of demise for the "Mandarin." I also believe the President has been against Extremis and other genetic modification stuff.Also with the President dead the widespread panic and call for revenge will give a huge boost to Killian's funds as the demand for Extremis will be high. They are run off of military contracts and since in this scenario, War Machine failed the Pentagon would give boatloads of money to Killian.
Finally with the President dead the Vice President would obviously be the new President and in the movie the VP was in cahoots with Killian to ensure that he controls the war on terror.
Really it's just an overly complicated scheme to make Extremis work.
Yeah a bit of a stretch since the VP will only be there until another election comes up but a valid explanation.