Ultimate Nullifier Survival

Originally posted by Sundipped
You said that Abraxas' bio didn't mention multiverse. I was just telling you explicitly what was stated.

1. What do you think Reed meant when he said he had to end all that is? He wasn't just talking about MU 616.
2. There ya go. Now put 2 & 2 together.

And what has Oblivion done to put him above Abraxas?

"all that is" is a vague expression. it could also mean only 616 universe (which is backed by the bio).

fact is, there is no direct proof that it was the multiverse that was nullified, on the other hand we have abraxas and galactus bios state that the universe was nullified.

chaos king (who destroyed 98% of the multiverse) is but one aspect of oblivion, abraxas can't even destroy the multiverse under his own power.

Originally posted by Sundipped
And what has Oblivion done to put him above Abraxas?

That puts him above Abraxas IMHO.

Also Abraxas feared the Nullifier add to that the fact that nullified beings go to Oblivion's realm (as shown in that Quasar issue) and we can safely say Oblivion > Abraxas.

I'm of the opinion that "Multiverse" in Gayos Slapfight meant 616 multiverse.

IE all the little dimensions and shit he was ramburgling.

Although I haven't read Oblivion's comments for a while, so meh.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm of the opinion that "Multiverse" in Gayos Slapfight meant 616 multiverse.

IE all the little dimensions and shit he was ramburgling.

Although I haven't read Oblivion's comments for a while, so meh.

there is no 616 multiverse, there's a 616 universe.

Originally posted by operator616
"all that is" is a vague expression. it could also mean only 616 universe (which is backed by the bio).

fact is, there is no direct proof that it was the multiverse that was nullified, on the other hand we have abraxas and galactus bios state that the universe was nullified.

chaos king (who destroyed 98% of the multiverse) is but one aspect of oblivion, abraxas can't even destroy the multiverse under his own power.

Reed corrected all the damage caused by Abraxas which was multiversal. Combine that with the bios and his statement. Now what other conclusion can you come to? That's enough evidence for me. I don't have to see the actual word multiverse on panel.

Oh that BS.
I know about that but to you and zop I have to see Oblivion actually doing something on panel himself. I'm not going off a Thor Annual character statement.

The U.N. erases concepts/ideas...That kind of durability is something that we can't comprehend. Going with LT.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm of the opinion that "Multiverse" in Gayos Slapfight meant 616 multiverse.

IE all the little dimensions and shit he was ramburgling.

Although I haven't read Oblivion's comments for a while, so meh.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The U.N. erases concepts/ideas...That kind of durability is something that we can't comprehend. Going with LT.

Originally posted by zopzop

Also Abraxas feared the Nullifier add to that the fact that nullified beings go to Oblivion's realm (as shown in that Quasar issue) and we can safely say Oblivion > Abraxas.

Aside from that aspect bullshit, how does Oblivions realm catering to nullified beings put him above Abraxas or the UN?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Aside from that aspect bullshit, how does Oblivions realm catering to nullified beings put him above Abraxas or the UN?

Oblivion doesn't fear the UN, it just adds more subjects to his realm. Abraxas crapped his pants when that thing was pointed in his face.

Yeah, that muddies my theory a little bit.

Although there's a way to construe it as meaning that him coming close to destroying 1 universe was a prelude to the death of all... meh.

In Pak War purely, he only dealt specifically with things in the 616. And the dimensions that are around it. So Multiverse still works, it's just a bad choice of words. Guy couldn't even get out of a bubble universe. How's he going to destroy the entire multiverse off panel?

Originally posted by Sundipped
Reed corrected all the damage caused by Abraxas which was multiversal. Combine that with the bios and his statement. Now what other conclusion can you come to? That's enough evidence for me. I don't have to see the actual word multiverse on panel.

Oh that BS.
I know about that but to you and zop I have to see Oblivion actually doing something on panel himself. I'm not going off a Thor Annual character statement.

you dont seem to understand what im saying here.

combine that with the bios, what do you mean by that? the bios state that reed nullified the universe not the multiverse.

there is no on panel evidence that it was a multiverse, but the bios state it was a universe, so going by the facts, it is a universal feat not a multiversal

i agree with you here, since before the retcon he was shown being infinty's equal (stalemated infinty who is universal), the retcon put him on a whole new level.

Oh and Abraxas was collapsing realities just by approaching them. CK nor Oblivion have been shown to do something of that magnitude so casually.

Originally posted by zopzop
How would the UN nullify the King of the place NULLIFIED beings go to when they are NULLIFIED?

Oblivion doesn't fear the UN, it just adds more subjects to his realm. Abraxas crapped his pants when that thing was pointed in his face.

I don't look at that as putting Oblivion above it powerwise but more of a cosmic glitch that at the most would just bfr him back to his realm I guess.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Oh and Abraxas was collapsing realities just by approaching them. CK nor Oblivion have been shown to do something of that magnitude so casually.

true but on the other hand, abraxas couldn't destroy the mutliverse without the UN, while CK was just about to destroy it.

Originally posted by operator616
you dont seem to understand what im saying here.

combine that with the bios, what do you mean by that? the bios state that reed nullified the universe not the multiverse.

there is no on panel evidence that it was a multiverse, but the bios state it was a universe, so going by the facts, it is a universal feat not a multiversal

i agree with you here, since before the retcon he was shown being infinty's equal (stalemated infinty who is universal), the retcon put him on a whole new level.

Earlier you said this:

Originally posted by operator616

2. bio states that reed nullified the multiverse

I was saying combine what Reed said with that. Plus the fact that everything was restored back to normal. Including all those dead Galactus'. There had to be more than one universe involved because they didn't come from just one universe.

Didn't Laxus kill all the Reeds across the big multiverse?

So if there's a Council of Reeds. Something brought them back.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Earlier you said this:

I was saying combine what Reed said with that. Plus the fact that everything was restored back to normal. Including all those dead Galactus'. There had to be more than one universe involved because they didn't come from just one universe.

must have mistyped, i meant that bio states that reed nullified the universe.

was there any mention that the galacti were restored? nope.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't Laxus kill all the Reeds across the big multiverse?

So if there's a Council of Reeds. Something brought them back.

Don't forget 616 Reed used the UN to reset the multiverse thus undoing all the damage Abraxas did, I'd assume this meant the Reeds were "unkilled".

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't look at that as putting Oblivion above it powerwise but more of a cosmic glitch that at the most would just bfr him back to his realm I guess.

Originally posted by zopzop
Excellent point but............

Don't forget 616 Reed used the UN to reset the multiverse thus undoing all the damage Abraxas did, I'd assume this meant the Reeds were "unkilled".

Yup. I don't disagree with this.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't Laxus kill all the Reeds across the big multiverse?

So if there's a Council of Reeds. Something brought them back.

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And yeah he did it with a gesture

Originally posted by operator616

was there any mention that the galacti were restored? nope.

Reed realigned all that was and corrected the multiversal damage. It's plain as day the implications of what Abraxas brought. You seem to be reaching now to prove this wasn't a multiversal reset. The statement from Reed should have been enough but since it wasn't.......

The damage is confirmed here:
A balance has been upset within ALL Eternity. It strictly states multi-Eternity is affected.

Alt. Frankie - "Abraxas killed the Galactus of my universe".
Reed - "It may be more than that".

^ And it was. A Galactus skull was navigating the multiverse via Abraxas. Confirmed by Reed.

Omniversal Gaurdian Roma states that a Galactus was created in every reality because of Abraxas. Now that 616 Big G is dead, "the door to the multiverse became unhinged".

Oh yeah, here's the killing of all Reeds which was yet more damage that had to be reset.

Now don't tell me you're still going to favor the bio over all of that?