Ultimate Nullifier Survival

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Originally posted by operator616

abraxas couldn't even destroy the multiverse without the UN

Originally posted by operator616

abraxas can't even destroy the multiverse under his own power.

Originally posted by operator616

abraxas couldn't destroy the mutliverse without the UN

while CK was just about to destroy it.

The actual facts:

Abraxas doesn't employ any kind of weaponry/artifact or outside sources of power.

(Abraxas is a Conceptual Abstract sentience) ... his power is within his existence,
just like Eternity doesn't need to implement other sources to embody "Time" or Infinity "Space."

Anyway ... Abraxas never intended to use the UN,
he only acquired it so it would not be used on him.
Since in that arc it was the only thing that could stop him from destroying "All there ever was, is or will be.

Abraxas (under his own power) is the destroyer of All Creation!

"And if we do not act soon ... All of Time will be lost to us"

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This is why the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum was afraid of Abraxas,
this is why it could do nothing against Abraxas.

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never was it stated on panel that abraxas can destory the multiverse under his own power.

no he didn't acquire it so that it wouldn't be used on him, it was stated by richards (FF: resurection of galactus) if abraxas would get to the UN he would be able to destroy the mutliverse, meaning that he needs the UN to do it.

"all time will be lost" is hardly an evidence that he can destroy the multiverse, you know that, it's such a vague expression.

Assuming this is Preboot Phantom Stranger (I don't know or care about the new one), he might survive just due to being essential or cursed to exist by the Presence or something. Spectre could survive if he was at a high enough level (drawing power from the Logoz etc.). Nekron might survive, Lucifer would laugh it off, as would LT. The rest are gone.

Just realized I forgot to specify Sandman. The sandman in this thread is DC's dream btw, kinda curious how one of the endless handle being nullified. I remember a particular alternate universe where death got nullified by the U.N. (think it's earth x) so I'm kinda curious how nekron and dream fare.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Assuming this is Preboot Phantom Stranger (I don't know or care about the new one), he might survive just due to being essential or cursed to exist by the Presence or something. Spectre could survive if he was at a high enough level (drawing power from the Logoz etc.). Nekron might survive, Lucifer would laugh it off, as would LT. The rest are gone.

spectre's connection to the logoz can be destroyed, PS wouldn't survive the UN, he has never shown to be able to tank a multiversal blast.

I admit that part is speculation but it seems that his immortality is mandated by the Presence.

^yes however so is every aspect of his (the word, spectre, eclipso, the radiant, etc..) non of which have survived multiversal destruction.

Originally posted by operator616

no he didn't acquire it so that it wouldn't be used on him, it was stated by richards (FF: resurection of galactus) if abraxas would get to the UN he would be able to destroy the mutliverse, meaning that he needs the UN to do it.

That's not definitive evidence that Abraxas can't destroy the multiverse under his own power. That statement applies to anyone in possession of the UN. Reed didn't say that it was absolutely necessary for him to have the UN in order to accomplish that but merely that it can be done without a doubt if Abraxas (or even me for that matter) did have it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
That's not definitive evidence that Abraxas can't destroy the multiverse under his own power. That statement applies to anyone in possession of the UN. Reed didn't say that it was absolutely necessary for him to have the UN in order to accomplish that but merely that it can be done without a doubt if Abraxas (or even me for that matter) did have it.

reed stated that if abraxas got to the UN he would be able to destroy the multiverse, nowhere was it stated that he acquired it only so that it can't be used on him, so the only logical explanation as to why abraxas wanted the UN is that he can't destroy the multiverse on his own or it would take him a very very long time (which also makes sense since he has shown the ability to destroy universes one by one but seeing how the multiverse has infinite universes it would take quite some time)

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Originally posted by operator616

never was it stated on panel that abraxas can destory the multiverse under his own power.

no he didn't acquire it so that it wouldn't be used on him,

it was stated by richards

if abraxas would get to the UN he would be able to destroy the mutliverse,
meaning that he needs the UN to do it.

Anyway, fallacies aside ...

If Abraxas wanted the UN to help him do what his presence/existence does via purpose (Concept of Destruction)

Then why did Abraxas get his hands on the UN at the end of issue #48,
and decided NOT to use it EVER through out all of issue #49?

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(notice how Abraxas [page 1 #49] states, "And so, it Ends"😉 below:

This is because he Now has the UN, and feels no one can stop him,
just like he specifically explained [last page #48] below:

Eagerly awaiting unsupported/self generated theories as a reply.

*** Or, is the answer right there On Panel as Reed stated clearly:

"You NEVER intended to fire the UN"

(so is Reed lying here, but not when you quote em erroneously?) 😬

Abraxas doesn't employ any kind of weaponry/artifact or outside sources of power.
(Abraxas is a Conceptual Abstract sentience) ... his power is within his existence.
Just like Eternity and the rest, they don't need weapons, they ARE (personify) the weapons.

^^^ Further corroborating proof to support Marvel facts!

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Handbook:

Evidently, only a power UN-like can defeat Abraxas:

"Realizing the danger Abraxas posed,
the FF went on a Dimension-hopping journey to recover the UN,
the One weapon that could destroy him"

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On panel:

Indeed, Roma (Omniversal Guardian) stated the same thing:

Roma: "It will be a weapon of unimaginable power that will WIN This day"

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Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:

Galactus: "But This Time, This Day can end ONLY one way"

Reed: "Yes .... God help me, I can see that now"

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This particular aspect of the debate is done here friend. 🙂

LT and Lucifer survive easily (also Spectre at his best), others get destroyed. Abraxas was destroying under his own power, never had a feat to destroy Multiverse at once simultaneously, but he supposedly could do it,.. or universe after universe or dimensions... doesn't matter.

But he was afraid of UN, not because he needed to destroy Multiverse, but because he knew he could be defeated by its power.

im not even sure what you're talking about here, i said that reed stated that if abraxas would acquire the UN he would destroy the multiverse.

and im still not sure about the multiverse nullification, i admit that everything happening in the comic itself points out that it should be a multiversal nullification (despite not being stated on panel) and even though the bios aren't always accurate there are several bios stating that what reed nullified was a universe, so i guess it can be approached from both sides.

he was occupied by the heroes in the issue (he was probably planning to use it after he takes care of the heroes) and then galactus stole the UN from him.

i see your point, about abraxas being the personification of destruction itself, but that doesn't help your case here. also, when something/someone is nullified it goes to oblivion's realm IIRC however, this was stated in a what if comic (which was also quite some time ago).

as to your second post, your whole post is about proving that only UN can destroy abraxas correct? i never disagreed with you here.

1. On panel evidence>>>bio.
2. Reed didn't imply that Abraxas had to have UN to destroy multiverse.
3. Oblivion's realm is irrelevant because the multiverse was nullified. How's that going to fit in one realm?

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1. never disagreed with you here but if you read my post i said that despite having no on panel evidence, it does point out to being a multiversal nullification, and yet it contradicts the bios. So the conclusion is, like i said, you could approach it from both sides.

2. nor was there an implication that abraxas could destroy the multiverse with his power.

3. my point here was that abraxas doesn't personify the UN but oblivion does.

^^ I'm noticing a pattern, like a symbol resembling a circle.

Originally posted by operator616

im not even sure what you're talking about here,

i said that reed stated that if abraxas would acquire the UN
he would destroy the multiverse

First, I presented Reed letting us know in Abraxas' face that
Abraxas was NEVER INTENDING to fire the UN!

Second, I presented Abraxas acquiring the UN BEFORE the Last book,
and NEVER using it, EVER!!!

Although in your mind that was his aim.

*** I did say I would await your unsupported theories and here they are:

Now you wanna hide behind Abraxas was too busy with the heroes
so he decided to wait it out till the end but oh dear big G came back to life.

That's laughable! ... when Abraxas was dispatching all effortlessly (literally)
and he had about a dozen Alternate Nova's needlessly helping him.

Awaiting the next excuse

Originally posted by operator616

and im still not sure about the multiverse nullification, i admit
that everything happening in the comic itself points out that it
should be a multiversal nullification (despite not being stated on
panel) and even though the bios aren't always accurate there are
several bios stating that what reed nullified was a universe, so i
guess it can be approached from both sides.

Also, it doesn't say he nullified "A" or "one" or "1" universe,
it says, Reed nullified Abraxas & The Universe itself.

Anyway, the UN bio states he nullified Abraxas,
and this as a result remade the Multiverse to it's previous state,
which was shifting/displaced because of Abraxas.

Originally posted by operator616

he was occupied by the heroes in the issue (he was probably
planning to use it after he takes care of the heroes) and then
galactus stole the UN from him.

Abraxas had all the time in the world to use the UN before G took it from em.

Originally posted by operator616

i see your point, about abraxas being the personification of destruction itself,

but that doesn't help your case here.

So, you're saying that Concepts need outside assistance to be ... Concepts?

ka-dur ... So Eternity uses some outside source to personify Time,
and Infinity applies help to personify Space.

Yea, she has that gadget called the 'Space-Inflator'
which then allows her to be herself. LOL!!!

Originally posted by operator616

also, when something/someone is nullified it goes to oblivion's realm IIRC

Abraxas can not be nullified from existence, only from reality.

In fact, ... "Nothingness" ... is a delight for Abraxas:

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Reed Richards who is immune to the effects of UN is operating the it. Who amongst this Elder Gods/Cosmics/Abstracts survive and gets obliterated?

-Shuma Gorath
-Maggedon
-The Vishanti
-Imperiex
-Phantom Stranger
-Eclipso
-Inbetweener
-Sandman
-Spectre
-Nekron
-Lucifer
-Living Tribunal

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and yet we have another scan contradicting that with reed saying that if abraxas gets to the UN he would be able to destroy the entire multiverse, he specifically stated that abraxas getting UN is for multiversal destruction not because he doesn't want anyone else getting it.

what's laughable? i agree that abraxas was toying with them, but he didn't use the nullifier for story purposes (or you could say PIS).

WRONG there are 2 bios, one for abraxas and another one for galactus. again, wrong, the abraxas bio states that reed nullified the universe.

why are you being so sarcastic? i never stated anything about eternity or infinity for that matter. tell me how abraxas being a personification of destruction helps you r case here?

Originally posted by operator616
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and yet we have another scan contradicting that with reed saying
that if abraxas gets to the UN he would be able to destroy the entire
multiverse, he specifically stated that abraxas getting UN is for
multiversal destruction not because he doesn't want anyone else
getting it.

The instance you're referring to is from the Beginning of the series,
issue #46, and it has Reed telling us what Abraxas could do with the UN,
which is the same thing any capable mind can do as Reed himself proved.

Reed, has NO idea WHY Abraxas wants the UN,
but he does know what he could do with it.

That's it, simple.

Now,
moving forward to the end of issue #48,
we learn from Abraxas himself, he wants the UN so that no one can stop him:

Then, moving even further to the end of issue #49,
Reed himself certifies that Abraxas NEVER intended on using the UN:

That's it, simple.

Originally posted by operator616

what's laughable? i agree that abraxas was toying with them,

but he didn't use the nullifier for story purposes (or you could say PIS).[/B]

Wait, so your retort is, "story purposes" ... or ... good ol' "PIS" ...

Instead of what's actually literally stated On Panel! 🙂

I think we're done here friend.
You can reply with more suppositions, but I'm not that bored ... so peace and love.

Originally posted by operator616

WRONG there are 2 bios, one for abraxas and another one for
galactus. again, wrong, the abraxas bio states that reed nullified
the universe.

Originally posted by operator616

why are you being so sarcastic? i never stated anything about
eternity or infinity for that matter. tell me how abraxas being a
personification of destruction helps you r case here?

You're actually trying to argue that Marvel Concepts need outside sources
to exercise their purpose as a Concept, and that's laughable.

Abraxas doesn't need the UN to do what he was BORN/created to do.

I already proved extensively that Abraxas ONLY wanted the UN
so it would not be used on him,
since it was his ONLY weakness in the story.

Yet, you return, again, and again and ... I mean what do you expect friend.

i concede. well done.

though i must emphasize on the last point.

nullification isn't the same as destruction, if something is nullified it's completely erased as if it never existed before, and abraxas doesn't personify that, that part goes to oblivion, hence why i stated this doesn't help your case here, so the sarcasm wasn't needed.