Loki displayed nothing but parlor tricks. Without the tesseract He is just a house of mirrors and Hellboy is the boulder. Unless someone saw a super secret movie that displays Loki as anything other than a jealous and cowardly infant then by all means...,enlighten me. Lokis' only onscreen feats are deception. This is a "physical" fight not a chess match.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Loki displayed nothing but parlor tricks. Without the tesseract He is just a house of mirrors and Hellboy is the boulder. Unless someone saw a super secret movie that displays Loki as anything other than a jealous and cowardly infant then by all means...,enlighten me. Lokis' only onscreen feats are deception. This is a "physical" fight not a chess match.
Loki showed plenty of physical skill.
1. Took on multiple frost giants
2. Fought Thor in h2h combat twice. He lost both times but Thor didn't exactly have an easy time beating him.
3. Made short work of a whole group of SHIELD agents.
4. Completely manhandled Captain America in a physical fight.
5. Showed reflexes fast enough to catch Hawkeye's arrow.
Loki is stronger than Hellboy. He has proven himself bulletproof from machine gun fire, and has shown incredible durability. Has proven himself pretty adept at h2h fighting. Plus he has your so-called "parlor tricks". Now tell me, what exactly has Hellboy shown that makes you say he'll win against Loki?
Anyhow, Hellboy's far stronger. Once the hand of doom gets a grip; Loki's going to be crying.
How exactly did you conclude that Hellboy's stronger?
Originally posted by Robtard
Stopped and flipped a speeding Jeep Grand Cherokee (about 2 tons) with a single punch. Hand of Doom, bitches.
That's punching power, not exactly strength. I doubt Hellboy can pick up the Jeep and hold it over his head. Kind of like how Tyson has a stronger punch than Pudianowski... doesn't mean he's physically stronger.
As for Loki's strength... Captain America lifted a motorcyle and 3 girls above his head for an extended period of time without even straining himself, and Loki effortlessly overpowered him. Volstagg casually lifted a car with one hand, and Loki should be comparable in strength. Loki was able to trade blows with Thor, meaning he should be similar in strength as well (otherwise he would have buckled while blocking those hits).
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's punching power, not exactly strength. I doubt Hellboy can pick up the Jeep and hold it over his head. Kind of like how Tyson has a stronger punch than Pudianowski... doesn't mean he's physically stronger.As for Loki's strength... Captain America lifted a motorcyle and 3 girls above his head for an extended period of time without even straining himself, and Loki effortlessly overpowered him. Volstagg casually lifted a car with one hand, and Loki should be comparable in strength. Loki was able to trade blows with Thor, meaning he should be similar in strength as well (otherwise he would have buckled while blocking those hits).
It's also strength, as he stopped the Jeep's forward motion by crushing the front end into the road.
Cap's motorcycle trick is nothing compared to Hellboy's Jeep stunt. Loki shouldn't be comparable in strength to Volstagg. Volstagg's an Asgardian; Loki is an Ice Giant runt. Thor's always seen holding back, the one time he doesn't, Loki flees like a ***** (top of Stark Tower). So no, I reject that Loki just has to be close in strength to Thor or even Volstagg.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's also strength, as he stopped the Jeep's forward motion by crushing the front end into the road.Cap's motorcycle trick is nothing compared to Hellboy's Jeep stunt. Loki shouldn't be comparable in strength to Volstagg. Volstagg's an Asgardian; Loki is an Ice Giant runt. Thor's always seen holding back, the one time he doesn't, Loki flees like a ***** (top of Stark Tower). So no, I reject that Loki just has to be close in strength to Thor or even Volstagg.
Loki grew up to manhood without anyone suspecting that he was a Frost Giant, which means he should have been within their same strength range otherwise he would have been suspect. Plus Frost giants have superhuman strength as well. Not sure just how strong but I know it's comparable to the Asgardians. I wasn't comparing Cap's motorcycle trick to Hellboy's, I just stated Cap's motorcycle feat to show how strong Loki is since he had no trouble overpowering Cap.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Loki grew up to manhood without anyone suspecting that he was a Frost Giant, which means he should have been within their same strength range otherwise he would have been suspect. Plus Frost giants are pretty strong on their own. I wasn't comparing Cap's motorcycle trick to Hellboy's, I just stated Cap's motorcycle feat to show how strong Loki is since he had no trouble overpowering Cap.
This assumes that all Asgardians are the same strength. It's a silly assumption.
Agreed, Loki's very strong since he overpowered Captain America; nothing suggest he's stronger or close to strength as Hellboy though. Feats matter; he has little in this department though.
Originally posted by Robtard
This assumes that all Asgardians are the same strength. It's a silly assumption.Agreed, Loki's very strong since he overpowered Captain America; nothing suggest he's stronger or close to strength as Hellboy though. Feats matter; he has little in this department though.
Asgardians are similar in strength in the same way that humans are the same in strength. We differ in strength, but on average we should be within a certain range.
As for feats, again, Loki has blocked hits from Thor. Granted, Thor was holding back, that doesn't mean that all he was doing was swatting at Loki. Even if Thor was fighting Loki at just 60%-70% of his strength and Loki was able to match that, that's still more than Hellboy.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Asgardians are similar in strength in the same way that humans are the same in strength. We differ in strength, but on average we should be within a certain range.As for feats, again, Loki has blocked hits from Thor. Granted, Thor was holding back, that doesn't mean that all he was doing was swatting at Loki. Even if Thor was fighting Loki at just 60%-70% of his strength and Loki was able to match that, that's still more than Hellboy.
Not really. Human's vary widely in strength. Even in similar size and weight comparisons.
As noted, the one time Thor had enough, Loki got his shit pushed in a second and had to flee like a *****. You're just guessing and assuming Loki is comparable to the Asgardians, when all we really have is the Captain America fight. So he's stronger than Capt. Okay.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Loki displayed nothing but parlor tricks. Without the tesseract He is just a house of mirrors and Hellboy is the boulder. Unless someone saw a super secret movie that displays Loki as anything other than a jealous and cowardly infant then by all means...,enlighten me. Lokis' only onscreen feats are deception. This is a "physical" fight not a chess match.
sigh. People here seem to want to ignore the dagger feats Loki displayed in both films.
He throws them with great accuracy in both films.
They have killed Frost Giants and stabbed Thor.
Originally posted by the ninjak
sigh. People here seem to want to ignore the dagger feats Loki displayed in both films.He throws them with great accuracy in both films.
They have killed Frost Giants and stabbed Thor.
Hellboy took a stab to the heart from a spear and was still living, though compromised and would have died in time.
Do you really think a 3-4" dagger is going to take him down?
Originally posted by Robtard
Hellboy took a stab to the heart from a spear and was still living, though compromised and would have died in time.Do you really think a 3-4" dagger is going to take him down?
I thought it didn't penetrate his heart and only would if they kept messing with it. Either way Loki can put Hellboy down with the daggers for sure
Originally posted by juggerman
I thought it didn't penetrate his heart and only would if they kept messing with it. Either way Loki can put Hellboy down with the daggers for sure
IIRC, in the x-ray we wee it growing and pressing against his heart. It would have killed him in time.
I assume you meant "can't".
Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, in the x-ray we wee it growing and pressing against his heart. It would have killed him in time.I assume you meant "can't".
But the inital stab did not reach his heart yet still took him out.
You assume falsely! Magic daggers that easily rip thru Thor would be able to cut Hellboy's heart out.
Originally posted by juggerman
But the inital stab did not reach his heart yet still took him out.You assume falsely! Magic daggers that easily rip thru Thor would be able to cut Hellboy's heart out.
Curious if hellboy could have a defense to this.. I forget how fast his reaction time/shooting was, could he shoot the blades before they get to him? Would it make a difference? Damnit now I need to re watch the movies lol.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
I wanted to side with hellboy but this makes sense. The blade left in hellboys chest penetrated easy enough and the threat of it growing into his heart stabbing it was precieved as lethal so I could only imagine a dagger capable of killing frost giants and cutting Thor would penetrate his chest/heart and kill him with little issue.Curious if hellboy could have a defense to this.. I forget how fast his reaction time/shooting was, could he shoot the blades before they get to him? Would it make a difference? Damnit now I need to re watch the movies lol.
Hellboy admitted his aim was bad and that was the reason he used that huge gun. He had trouble hitting that monster dog in the beginning of the first one so i doubt he'd be shooting daggers out of the air