Originally posted by Robtard
"Meaning his punch is only around as strong as the springs in the SUV." 😂Epic downplay if I've ever seen one.
How is it downplaying? An SUV's springs are strong enough to support the weight of it's engine. Hellboy punching it down to smash it into the ground is a pretty decent strength feat. But it's a feat that still doesn't show him being strong enough to lift a car, let alone flip it in the air.
Originally posted by FrothByteWhenever Robbie disagrees he says your downplaying. He only has like 5 responses when he can't counter a point.
How is it downplaying? An SUV's springs are strong enough to support the weight of it's engine. Hellboy punching it down to smash it into the ground is a pretty decent strength feat. But it's a feat that still doesn't show him being strong enough to lift a car, let alone flip it in the air.
Originally posted by FrothByte
How is it downplaying? An SUV's springs are strong enough to support the weight of it's engine. Hellboy punching it down to smash it into the ground is a pretty decent strength feat. But it's a feat that still doesn't show him being strong enough to lift a car, let alone flip it in the air.
Because a considerable portion of the car's mass X velocity energy would have been transferred to Hellboy's body before it flipped.
You're essentially saying Hellboy's just strong enough to push down a couple car shocks, when that scene is obviously so much more.
Loki most likely wins this cos his durability is ridiculously higher than Hellboy's, but there's no need to downplay.
Originally posted by Robtard
Because a considerable portion of the cars mass X velocity energy would have been transferred to Hellboy's body before it flipped.You're essentially saying Hellboy's just strong enough to push down a couple car shocks, when that scene is obviously so much more.
Loki most likely wins this cos his durability is ridiculously higher than Hellboy's, but there's no need to downplay.
SUV's nose hits the pavement, that's what stops it's mass x velocity. If Hellboy had punched the SUV at an angle, then yeah he would have had some effect on the velocity. Seeing as he punch straight down then he wasn't countering any of the vehicles mass and velocity... unless you're telling me that the SUV had an upward velocity that he countered by punching straight down?
I will agree though that Hellboy showed an extra amount of strength in that his punch was strong enough that the SUV didn't slide forward on it's nose. He was also strong enough that he seemed to do this fairly effortlessly. I am not saying Hellboy is weak. Just that this feat doesn't make him strong enough to lift a car, stop it in it's tracks, or flip it in the air.
Originally posted by FrothByte
SUV's nose hits the pavement, that's what stops it's mass x velocity. If Hellboy had punched the SUV at an angle, then yeah he would have had some effect on the velocity. Seeing as he punch straight down then he wasn't countering any of the vehicles mass and velocity... unless you're telling me that the SUV had an upward velocity that he countered by punching straight down?
Would have transferred to his arm until the nose bit into the ground and the ground took over and transferred the forward momentum into a flip.
You're really going to say he just showed enough strength to push down two shocks?
Originally posted by Robtard
Would have transferred to his arm until the nose bit into the ground and the ground took over and transferred the forward momentum into a flip.You're really going to say he just showed enough strength to push down two shocks?
Would have transferred to his arm till the nose bit the ground... and that took what, like a couple of milliseconds?
I'm saying that he was strong enough to push down on two shocks plus a bit more strength to make sure nose of SUV kept contact with pavement and not slide forward. AND this was punching strength/power, which won't mean that he can do the same thing with just brute strength. If Loki wrestles him like he did Thor, Hellboy won't have enough strength to counter that, though he probably punches stronger than Loki with his rock hand.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Would have transferred to his arm till the nose bit the ground... and that took what, like a couple of milliseconds?I'm saying that he was strong enough to push down on two shocks plus a bit more strength to make sure nose of SUV kept contact with pavement and not slide forward. AND this was punching strength/power, which won't mean that he can do the same thing with just brute strength. If Loki wrestles him like he did Thor, Hellboy won't have enough strength to counter that, though he probably punches stronger than Loki with his rock hand.
Your exact words were: "meaning his punch is only around as strong as the springs in the SUV." When that clearly isn't so, he's much stronger. If you misspoke, sure. No problem.
Originally posted by Robtard
Your exact words were: "meaning his punch is only around as strong as the springs in the SUV." When that clearly isn't so, he's much stronger. If you misspoke, sure. No problem.
Yes, upon further review of the video I do admit that a certain extra amount of strength was needed to keep the SUV's nose in the ground. Still doesn't make him as strong as being able to lift or flip the SUV but a bit stronger than being able to push against shocks.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, upon further review of the video I do admit that a certain extra amount of strength was needed to keep the SUV's nose in the ground.Still doesn't make him as strong as being able to lift or flip the SUV but a bit stronger than being able to push against shocks.
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I don't think I ever implied Hellboy was strong enough to pick up and toss SUV's like the Hulk.
Originally posted by Robtard
👆I don't think I ever implied Hellboy was strong enough to pick up and toss SUV's like the Hulk.
hellboy may not be able to pick it up (dont know that he couldnt either) but he certainly has the strength to flip it. and what an understatement for the hulk. the real question is whether he could "toss" an SUV into orbit.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There was only one mention of "bunch of humans' in my post which was the SHIELD agents and yet you somehow managed to generalize the rest of my post with that? Ignoring that all the other points I made were not in relation to bunch of humans.Beating up the SHIELD agents wasn't that impressive in itself, what made it impressive was that Loki was able to tank all the machine gun fire thrown at him. When was the last time Hellboy showed himself bulletproof against machine-gun fire?
Movie version Captain America had superhuman strength. It's not that Loki beat up Cap that was impressive, but that all the shots that Cap hit Loki with didn't even get Loki to move a step back. Hellboy has no such feat where he took on multiple blows by someone with superhuman strength without even taking a step back.
Thor is always holding back. Thor was holding back against Hulk, yet he was strong enough to block Hulk's punch and strong enough to hurt Hulk. Thor was holding back against IM, yet was strong enough to dent and damage IM"s armor. This is the same Thor that Loki went toe to toe against and actually gave a decent fight. When was the last time that Hellboy took on someone as strong and as skilled as Thor?
The frost giants may seem dimwitted and cumbersome, but they are smarter and more skilled than the average monsters that Hellboy takes on. As for skilled opponents, Hellboy has taken on guys like Nuada and Kroenen, but he has never taken on someone like Thor and Hulk. And though Loki was defeated by both Thor and Hulk, I'm pretty sure Hellboy wouldn't have been able to survive both encounters.
Plus there's still the fact that Hellboy's gun probably won't KO Loki since no gun has yet to KO him or seriously hurt him. But blades have been shown to hurt Hellboy, and Loki has blades aplenty.
Firstly, you cannot just say that Hellboy hasn't taken on someone like Thor or Hulk because Thor and Hulk are perceived differently in your mind. Thor is a God right? Well, so is Hellboy. So, i don't want to hear people pointing out that Loki didn't need time to recover before he was able to re-gather his faculties.
I ask you...,advise me to scenarios where, Loki has displayed such, speed, strength and agility feats that, Hellboy has displayed. You retort with...,"well, he survived a beating from a Thor who wasn't trying to kill but detain him and an encounter with the, Hulk.
That's a pretty weak argument, man. I never said Loki wasn't durable. I just argue that he has nothing serious to offer a physical threat. The movies' themselves focus on the fact that, Loki is a weak and callus warrior. The focus of his strengths in, both Avengers and Thor showcased him as a plotter. Unless, Loki has some kind of mystical device no one ever takes him serious, he is just a nuisance that the heroes deal with because they're kind of responsible for his existence.
You people also seem to focus a f*ck ton on Hellboys guns. I have no idea why. Hellboys' guns' are deadly because the ammunition is tailored made to each enemies weaknesses. This ties in with his team and also his broad understanding of both paranormal entities and magical beings hellboys guns, in this match, would most likely only be used for strategy. In other words, he can have the advantage of forcing Loki to go on the defensive has he leaps to and fro...,Either way, his speed, strength and agility are unmatched here. Red hand of Doom smashes, Loki's face to ectoplasm. Oh yeah and he didn't even have to go all Dark lord and shit 😉
Originally posted by the ninjak
Loki threw energized daggers into Frost Giants deep into their chests.And we've all seen Loki's skill with throwing mulitple daggers in Avengers.
Why can't Loki throw multiple similar projectiles into Hellboy after casting illusions?
He could do the same thing to Hellboy that Prince Nuada did when he stabbed Hellboy in the heart with a magical dagger. Loki has the same abilities and more. Infact Hellboy would have died for sure without his girlfriend making a deal with the angel of death.
The fact that Loki beat Down Captain America, went Toe to Toe with Thor and survived a unsurvivable smash from the Hulk proves he has strength, skills and serious durability. Not saying he is indestructible. Also later on in the Thor fight, Thor is getting the crap beat out him by the hulk.
Then Loki also takes a shot from a phase 3 weapon which is a modified portable destroyer by Phil on the flying ship. Which he also survives.
I dont see hellboy walking aways from a battle with thor, a shot from a destroyer weapon and a smashing by the hulk all within a few hours, hellboy would be seriously hurt or dead
There is no reason why Loki can win this with all this tricks up his sleeves. Loki is just as strong if not stronger then hellyboy. He is a master of magic and deception. Can kill tons of frost giants and go toe to toe with most of the avengers.
Originally posted by Supra
He could do the same thing to Hellboy that Prince Nuada did when he stabbed Hellboy in the heart with a magical dagger. Loki has the same abilities and more. Infact Hellboy would have died for sure without his girlfriend making a deal with the angel of death.The fact that Loki beat Down Captain America, went Toe to Toe with Thor and survived a unsurvivable smash from the Hulk proves he has strength, skills and serious durability. Not saying he is indestructible. Also later on in the Thor fight, Thor is getting the crap beat out him by the hulk.
Then Loki also takes a shot from a phase 3 weapon which is a modified portable destroyer by Phil on the flying ship. Which he also survives.
I dont see hellboy walking aways from a battle with thor, a shot from a destroyer weapon and a smashing by the hulk all within a few hours, hellboy would be seriously hurt or dead
There is no reason why Loki can win this with all this tricks up his sleeves. Loki is just as strong if not stronger then hellyboy. He is a master of magic and deception. Can kill tons of frost giants and go toe to toe with most of the avengers.
Loki can easily kill alot more Golden Army machine soldiers than Hellboy did at a faster rate.