Superman and Silver Surfer vs Thor and Loki

Couple things here:

-The odds of Surfer buffing Superman with the Power Cosmic via cosmic awareness are as likely as him using cosmic awareness to debuff Superman if he were to fight him. It's not his M.O. as a rule and Surfer hardly every displays the kind of feats on a regular basis to argue him doing that in character. To that end, it's more likely Loki amps Thor (as he's done so in the past) than Surfer would amp Superman.

-Loki is, at worse case scenario, a Mid Herald who's more than capable of giving Thor a fight. When things get strictly physical, Thor holds a significant edge, obviously, but Loki isn't some weak feeb who can be easily one shot or anything under most portrayals. Thor also has the benefit of having a borderline plot device weapon designed to counter most of Loki's mystic assaults. Loki would definitely be a troublesome foe for either Surfer or Superman and anyone who disagree is either not all that informed on Loki (which happens from time to time) or trolling.

All that said, I'm undecided.

I think stooping to prep and Superman's > Lex Luthor intellect is a little unnecessary for Loki's power-levels. Superman would smash Loki's face in less than second, leaving little time for Asgardian Magic, which is nothing compared to Doctor Strange's capabilities.

SS can take down Thor, are you kidding? The Silver Surfer has matter and energy manipulation, he is on par with Captain Atom. Thor is screwed. Superman could also kill Thor with a bulldog rush of an IMP when he removes his psionic blocks and cuts loose utilizing his full infinite strength and cognitive functions ergo Theta Warrior.

Originally posted by Dolos
I think stooping to prep and Superman's > Lex Luthor intellect is a little unnecessary for Loki's power-levels. Superman would smash Loki's face in less than second, leaving little time for Asgardian Magic, which is nothing compared to Doctor Strange's capabilities.

SS can take down Thor, are you kidding? The Silver Surfer has matter and energy manipulation, he is on par with Captain Atom. Thor is screwed. Superman could also kill Thor with a bulldog rush of an IMP when he removes his psionic blocks and cuts loose utilizing his full infinite strength and cognitive functions ergo Theta Warrior.

Not sure if trolling or serious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not sure if trolling or serious.

I just know more about Superman than most ever will.

You really downplay the overpowered bloke, whether you realize it or not.

Originally posted by Dolos
I think stooping to prep and Superman's > Lex Luthor intellect is a little unnecessary for Loki's power-levels. Superman would smash Loki's face in less than second, leaving little time for Asgardian Magic, which is nothing compared to Doctor Strange's capabilities.

SS can take down Thor, are you kidding? The Silver Surfer has matter and energy manipulation, he is on par with Captain Atom. Thor is screwed. Superman could also kill Thor with a bulldog rush of an IMP when he removes his psionic blocks and cuts loose utilizing his full infinite strength and cognitive functions ergo Theta Warrior.

...what?

Superman isn't dismantling Loki in less than seconds. And yes, Loki's power is certainly comparable to Doctor Strange's, who's probably one of the single most misrepresented characters on the forum (some people still think he's Trans-Tier, which is ridiculous).

And how is Thor "screwed" against Surfer...especially when comics show us that their either deadlocked against one another or Thor is superior to him? Unless you're going to throw out every instance of Thor matching or exceeding Surfer in comics in favor for what you think Surfer should do. And Thor could kill either Superman or Surfer with a Godblast that cripples SKyfathers and then some if we're just throwing out stuff that sounds cool albeit not plausible.

Originally posted by Dolos
I just know more about Superman than most ever will.

You really downplay the overpowered bloke, whether you realize it or not.

It's not so much downplaying Superman as you're horrifically downplaying Thor/Loki here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...what?

Superman isn't dismantling Loki in less than seconds. And yes, Loki's power is certainly comparable to Doctor Strange's, who's probably one of the single most misrepresented characters on the forum (some people still think he's Trans-Tier, which is ridiculous).

And how is Thor "screwed" against Surfer...especially when comics show us that their either deadlocked against one another or Thor is superior to him? Unless you're going to throw out every instance of Thor matching or exceeding Surfer in comics in favor for what you think Surfer should do. And Thor could kill either Superman or Surfer with a Godblast that cripples SKyfathers and then some if we're just throwing out stuff that sounds cool albeit not plausible.

Superman would absorb the Godblast quite a bit more easily than he did the Mageddon Warhead.

You don't understand the character here, he's unmatched feat to feat. He pulls abilities out of no where. He's understood as the smartest being on earth. He's a paradoxical feat machine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not so much downplaying Superman as you're horrifically downplaying Thor/Loki here.

Loki is not on the physical level of Thor, not even his more extravagant shapes could deal with Thor, Superman is a much greater physical threat than Thor, his powers have no limits. It's his power level.

Like Superman, the Silver Surfer jobs a lot. You're mistaking docility for an inability to win. In fact, having a "hold back" propensity indicates a greater power level, if they usually win holding back, and need to hold back so as not to mess everything up, ergo Doctor Manhattan and his earth destroying free-will. He is still generally depicted as the strongest high herald in the mythos, as it should be with his powerset...even more so than Superman, at his current distance from the sun that is.

Originally posted by Dolos
Superman would absorb the Godblast quite a bit more easily than he did the Mageddon Warhead.

You don't understand the character here, he's unmatched feat to feat. He pulls abilities out of no where. He's understood as the smartest being on earth. He's a paradoxical feat machine.

😐

Yeah, that's a new one. Superman...absorbing the Godblast. Wow.

I actually understand Superman quite well, both in terms of his abilities, character, etc. And Superman doesn't nearly display anything CLOSE on a regular basis to suggest he'd actually absorb something like the Godblast, especially when he is, on a fairly regularly basis, taken for a loop, hurt, or even drastically injured by attacks far less overall powerful than Thor's ultimate attack, which happens to be mystical in origin.

I mean, seriously, man? 😬

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...what?
And yes, Loki's power is certainly comparable to Doctor Strange's, who's probably one of the single most misrepresented characters on the forum (some people still think he's Trans-Tier, which is ridiculous).

he is trans tier.....with prep

Jake, don't respond and waste your time. Just nod your head and agree. Sooner or later he'll have to pick up a few Thor trades. I recommend Walter Simonson's run, its an excellent piece of literature. And I was always partial to Oeming's and Lee's run as well.

Originally posted by Dolos
Superman would absorb the Godblast quite a bit more easily than he did the Mageddon Warhead.

Did you just claim superman could tank a Godblast. Lol gtfo

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😐

Yeah, that's a new one. Superman...absorbing the Godblast. Wow.

I actually understand Superman quite well, both in terms of his abilities, character, etc. And Superman doesn't nearly display anything CLOSE on a regular basis to suggest he'd actually absorb something like the Godblast, especially when he is, on a fairly regularly basis, taken for a loop, hurt, or even drastically injured by attacks far less overall powerful than Thor's ultimate attack, which happens to be mystical in origin.

I mean, seriously, man? 😬

He absorbs energy, dems common knowledge.

The Mageddon warhead>the Godblast.

Originally posted by armedforbattle

Did you just claim superman could tank a Godblast. Lol gtfo

So you're just going erase mageddon from your mind?

What about the other feats where Superman just absorbs energy?

Mageddon is mystical in origin as well.

Superman can't absorb the godblast. Let's not be silly.

Originally posted by Dolos
Loki is not on the physical level of Thor, not even his more extravagant shapes could deal with Thor, Superman is a much greater physical threat than Thor, his powers have no limits. It's his power level.

Like Superman, the Silver Surfer jobs a lot. You're mistaking docility for an inability to win. In fact, having a "hold back" propensity indicates a greater power level, if they usually win holding back, and need to hold back so as not to mess everything up, ergo Doctor Manhattan and his earth destroying free-will. He is still generally depicted as the strongest high herald in the mythos, as it should be with his powerset...even more so than Superman, at his current distance from the sun that is.

He's physically on a level where Thor can't end him in moments. Neither can the Destroyer Armor with its blows. That's enough to warrent him lasting more than seconds against Superman to say the least. And Superman has limits. facepalm We see them fairly often.

Superman and Surfer job a lot? Okay...and Thor doesn't? And no, Surfer isn't depicted as the strongest high herald in the mythos. It's actually quite competitive between him and Thor, and Thor has a winning record against Surfer. Just because Surfer didn't use his entire powerset against Thor doesn't mean it "doesn't count". And for the record, neither did Thor use his full powerset against Surfer, which includes a borderline plot device weapon which more or less counters almost anything Norrin can throw.

Honest question, but do you read a lot of Thor or no?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
he is trans tier.....with prep

So is Thor and Loki and plenty of other people.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman can't absorb the godblast. Let's not be silly.

It's not fricken silly.

lol

Pr quit trying to contain Superman's powers, that's what his weaknesses are for. That's why he has the most weaknesses in the mythos.

Originally posted by Dolos
I just know more about Superman than most ever will.

You really downplay the overpowered bloke, whether you realize it or not.

I've seen pretty much every relevant Superman feat there is.

You aren't just overrating him but underrating Team 2. Surfer wrecking Thor because he has energy/matter manipulation powers? Superman wrecking Loki who doesn't have anywhere near Strange's level of magic?

Just sheer ignorance.

Originally posted by Dolos
He absorbs energy, dems common knowledge.

The Mageddon warhead>the Godblast.

The God Blast was able to destroy Exitar's brain dome (While reinforced with the belt of strength). The dome is harder than Exitar's armor. Celestial Armor withstood the combined onslaught of three Skyfathers unharmed. One of which who is Odin who has demonstrated Multiversal level of power.

Ergo, the God Blast is far superior to power that can unleash Universal havoc and even pose a danger to the Multiverse.

The God Blast would one shot kill Maggedon and all of Wonderworld who were at best Universal.

Fanboy logic (Or illogic) is fun.