The Silver Surfer Vs Thor

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're ignoring what the scan actually shows and states. if the ground was only bonded to the outside of Thor's body, he wouldn't have been in pain and the cop would have been able to blast him free.

Thor has probably been functioning with a cement dick for decades, or he shattered it as soon as he moved and had a painful poop later

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
where did I say it was bonded only to his outside body?

Thor has probably been functioning with a cement dick for decades, or he shattered it as soon as he moved and had a painful poop later

Without matter manip, how did Thor get rid of the ground/asphalt that was inside his body?

Walked it off. If he's able to move again, his muscles should be able to turn the cement into a fine powder

Probably the same way Hulk got his cement out, but he also needed to heal the interior damage.

Apparently Thor didn't need to heal, which he should have even if he did matter manip. Just that durable

Not saying my theory's perfect, but I've never seen that feat as a matter manip feat is all

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Walked it off. If he's able to move again, his muscles should be able to turn the cement into a fine powder

Probably the same way Hulk got his cement out, but he also needed to heal the interior damage.

Apparently Thor didn't need to heal, which he should have even if he did matter manip. Just that durable

Not saying my theory's perfect, but I've never seen that feat as a matter manip feat is all

Because you ignore what the comic actually shows/states and make up ridiculous explanations that have no basis in fact.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because you ignore what the comic actually shows/states and make up ridiculous explanations that have no basis in fact.

Scan please.

The other explanation judging by what happened to Juggernaut was that Thor teleported it all away. Really, all 3 have merits IMO

But I hope you realize you're getting irritated by me thinking the feat is actually way better than what you think.

And without matter manip, how would Thor have separated the asphalt that was bonded to his insides in order to teleport it away?

Magic.

That's not a joke either, he said it in the scan

Are we really questioning Mjolnir's teleportation capabilities?

So, he used magic to manipulate the asphalt so that it seperated from his body and then teleported it.

Sounds like matter manip to me.

Or he just teleported the whole section as one via magic teleportation

I don't get the desperation to prove he used matter manip though

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Or he just teleported the whole section as one via magic teleportation

Then he'd be missing the internal organs, tissue etc that the asphalt was bonded to, so your new argument is that Thor can regen lost body parts?

thor's magical physiology lets him remain functional through absurd damages to his organs without healing them. there's a decent amount of examples

Thor's got other matter manipulation feats, so if you want to do discount this one - I can see how it's open to intepretation, though I think he at least matter manipulated/healed himself with Mjolnir - it's not a one off example.

How does that mean that? If he would have teleported it, it would have been all the cement at once. I'd assume magical teleportation can single things out, just like magic matter manip can single out organs and cement.

Also, yes, new argument. Because giving 3 possible explanations while maintaining my first means I'm switching "arguments".

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's got other matter manipulation feats, so if you want to do discount this one - I can see how it's open to intepretation, though I think he at least matter manipulated/healed himself with Mjolnir - it's not a one off example.

Silent Master is angry that I think the feat was better than simple matter manip. How dare I is the real question here.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I realize. I'm not trying to discount anything though, just giving my opinion of a completely not explained feat.

Silent Master is angry that I think the feat was better than simple matter manip. How dare I is the real question here.

I don't think you're trying to discount the feat.

If anything this feat is evidence to show that offensive matter manipulation wouldn't be a one shot KO/kill on Thor (not that anyone would argue that to begin with, but you never know).

Going with Surfer.

Higher durability then Thor overall, good energy projection, and top end speed (This is the guy Adam Warlock picked to bum rush Thanos's Infinity Gauntlet from some light years distant, and that's not even his best speed feat.).

I think Thor has more power overall, but power isn't everything..

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I realize. I'm not trying to discount anything though, just giving my opinion of a completely not explained feat.

Silent Master is angry that I think the feat was better than simple matter manip. How dare I is the real question here.

My problem isn't that you thought the feat could have been something other than matter manip, it was that you made it a point to say that you agreed with the arguments made by a poster that was clearly trolling. As such I was treating your posts as an extension of his trolling.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
are you going to ask for scans now?

But anyway, the feat is open to interpretation.

My interpretation is that while he was bonded to to the ground, his feat had to do with more physical (as physical as a blast gets anyway) means of getting out, than it did of matter manipulation.
Ie, powered out of being fused with the concrete

Not ruling out matter manip being at play, just from my viewpoint he powered out like Hulk did, except he isn't a baby like Hulk so he didn't get hurt

That's a fair view point.

Personally, Thor being described as being bonded/fused and the implication that simple destroying the rock would do more harm then good makes me thing something else in play. I also don't know if even Thor's that tough. Him simply being conscious and able is in itself a crazy feat. The only other people who've experienced something similar are either dead or Hulk and Superman. And Superman was reduced to a drooling mess.

I don't know why everyone is so hung up on matter manipulation however. I'm not sure what it was exactly, could have been teleportation, matter manipulation or just magic (Which what was described in the issue).

Originally posted by Silent Master
My problem isn't that you thought the feat could have been something other than matter manip, it was that you made it a point to say that you agreed with the arguments made by a poster that was clearly trolling. As such I was treating your posts as an extension of his trolling.

lol, so you'll just cover your ears towards an entire "side" if one person ticks you off from said side? I agreed with the underlying point of Zop's post, not his entire thing. Though Zop has fair points at times, so he's not the worst guy to fully agree with. If I agreed with any part of h1's post though, you'd be in the right to report me

It's not about being in the majority, it's about seeing things in a way that they make sense to you

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's a fair view point.

Personally, Thor being described as being bonded/fused and the implication that simple destroying the rock would do more harm then good makes me thing something else in play. I also don't know if even Thor's that tough. Him simply being conscious and able is in itself a crazy feat. The only other people who've experienced something similar are either dead or Hulk and Superman. And Superman was reduced to a drooling mess.

I don't know why everyone is so hung up on matter manipulation however. I'm not sure what it was exactly, could have been teleportation, matter manipulation or just magic (Which what was described in the issue).

Yeah, it could have been a number of things.