The Silver Surfer Vs Thor

It's not so much PIS/CIS as it is that Surfer just doesn't think the way people on this board would.

No, Surfer does think the way a lot of us would think in his place, it's what gives us the notions of what he could/might do.

What Surfer isn't allowed to do, is remember the stuff he does and how he does it.

For instance, he never attempts to trap mjolnir in his board, even though he has repeatedly trapped herald level characters in it.

He is basically too powerful and versatile for most writers, since he is rarely the focus of stories and mostly just a vehicle for telling tales about far distant galaxies and conflicts and such.

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm almost tempted to put this in the "Worst. Weakness. Ever." thread: Surfer - CIS/PIS.

He doesn't think the way most people on the board would.

It's why we separate character from powerset.

Originally posted by janus77
That and the fact that he falls to ground if you take his board out from under his feet, apparently.

...but basically, he's trapped by convention. If it's shown that he can fly w/o his board, then the board seems unnecessary, and there goes the whole surfer concept. He becomes just a shiny naked guy.

There are a few characters like this. Wonder Woman is another one. She can take hits from Superman, but still needs to block bullets with her bracelets? But watcha gonna do? That's her signature move, and it's up to comic fans to rationalize away the discrepancy (eg, Surfer can fly but doesn't to save power -- yeah, like mere flying takes so much; or: WW blocks bullets to demoralize opponents, like that's really more intimidating than just standing there and have bullets bounce off you).

Comics. Gotta love 'em.

Originally posted by Dolos
Silver Surfer is now willing to utilize all his abilities and the Power Cosmics nearly limitless resources to screw with Thor in this death battle, speedblitz, all out, full knowledge, lethal intent on both sides.

You know, all the impossible things he has done off and on, over the years, that most Thor-haters will not even consider during these debates.

What restraints are placed on Thor?

Originally posted by Mindship
I've been lamenting about that since God knows when. With all the crap he can do, at least hover, dammit, instead of tumbling like a girlieman...

...but basically, he's trapped by convention. If it's shown that he can fly w/o his board, then the board seems unnecessary, and there goes the whole surfer concept. He becomes just a shiny naked guy.

There are a few characters like this. Wonder Woman is another one. She can take hits from Superman, but still needs to block bullets with her bracelets? But watcha gonna do? That's her signature move, and it's up to comic fans to rationalize away the discrepancy (eg, Surfer can fly but doesn't to save power -- yeah, like mere flying takes so much; or: WW blocks bullets to demoralize opponents, like that's really more intimidating than just standing there and have bullets bounce off you).

Comics. Gotta love 'em.

Also, just remembered yet another 'power' that he has and rarely utilises - spreading his consciousness everywhere... Like he did when he decided to live on Earth like a regular boy and wear ... dungarees.

Oh and how he just simply disintegrates people now if he gets irritated by them.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, is Thor able to dig into his bag of tricks for this fight?

You know, all the impossible things he has done off and on, over the years, that most Thor-haters will not even consider during these debates.

What restraints are placed on Thor?

Also, Thor is a warrior so he cuts loose more often or is depicted as cutting loose more readily than Surfer. Surfer's the silver shining monologue man. Jesus on an ironing board ...

I'm just saying, if Surfer is getting to use his rarer abilities and attacks, etc, does Thor also?

The 2 most powerful Herald-Level characters around. Both, rarely use what they have access to, for different reasons.

Are we taking BOTH of these guys completely off the leashes?

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm just saying, if Surfer is getting to use his rarer abilities and attacks, etc, does Thor also?

The 2 most powerful Herald-Level characters around. Both, rarely use what they have access to, for different reasons.

Are we taking BOTH of these guys completely off the leashes?

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Nine times out of ten, Surfer flies around and blasts people or uses the board attack. Nine times out of ten, Thor throws/swings Mjolnir and uses lightning blasts. Both of their powersets extend grossly beyond that.

The thing that annoys me is that these exotic abilities are what Surfer is all about. Exotic is what surfer does and just cuz he appears 3 times a year in the hands of writers who don't know how to portray his power, all of a sudden its "rare" for him to pull out exotic abilities?

Originally posted by JayDaDon
The thing that annoys me is that these exotic abilities are what Surfer is all about. Exotic is what surfer does and just cuz he appears 3 times a year in the hands of writers who don't know how to portray his power, all of a sudden its "rare" for him to pull out exotic abilities?

When he does appear, he doesn't fight nearly to the degree that a lot of these arguments imply he will. Sure, he has these abilities, and sure he has used them, but I don't recall many Surfer comics or appearances he's appeared in where he starts black holing people in the brain, stranding them in the astral dimension, using Cosmic Awareness to buff allies/debuff enemies, amping to infinite strength, and all this other crap in the span of miliseconds.

And even if we do decide to give Surfer the benefit of the doubt and have him start doing stuff he doesn't do very often, it always seem to neglect what his opponents can do if they're given the same benefit of the doubt. In this case, Thor and all his random plot device Mjolnir powers nullify or counter a great deal of whatever Surfer can do.

Well the black holing the brain and that stuff is flying off the deep end IMO.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Than I am laughing to myself 😂

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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When he does appear, he doesn't fight nearly to the degree that a lot of these arguments imply he will. Sure, he has these abilities, and sure he has used them, but I don't recall many Surfer comics or appearances he's appeared in where he starts black holing people in the brain, stranding them in the astral dimension, using Cosmic Awareness to buff allies/debuff enemies, amping to infinite strength, and all this other crap in the span of miliseconds.

And even if we do decide to give Surfer the benefit of the doubt and have him start doing stuff he doesn't do very often, it always seem to neglect what his opponents can do if they're given the same benefit of the doubt. In this case, Thor and all his random plot device Mjolnir powers nullify or counter a great deal of whatever Surfer can do.

Truth.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Well the black holing the brain and that stuff is flying off the deep end IMO.

Then he can destroy him at his leisure.

This is an ability he has as stated on panel and in his handbook entry. Yet writers never make use of it or hardly ever.

Originally posted by zopzop
What about this?

Rearranging the atomic structure of the air around Thor's head into adamantium or vibranium or uru and effectively blinding and strangling him.

Then he can destroy him at his leisure.

This is an ability he has as stated on panel and in his handbook entry. Yet writers never make use of it or hardly ever.

For God's sake, Zop! There are members here that actually LIKE Thor!
Move into action, Man! Move, man, Move!

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Originally posted by zopzop
What about this?

Rearranging the atomic structure of the air around Thor's head into adamantium or vibranium or uru and effectively blinding and strangling him.

Then he can destroy him at his leisure.

This is an ability he has as stated on panel and in his handbook entry. Yet writers never make use of it or hardly ever.

Or, Healed Surfer's wounded soul, so he has absolutely NO inclination to fight anymore?

Or, go back in time, capture Shalla Bal, bring her back and hold her prisoner, unless Surfer disintegrates himself?

Or, suck all of the Power Cosmic out of Surfer?

Or, isolate Surfer from the Power Cosmic?

Etc, etc, etc.

Originally posted by Horrificus
How can he do that, when Thor has sent the Surfer's head to the Jurassic age?

Or, Healed Surfer's wounded soul, so he has absolutely NO inclination to fight anymore?

Or, go back in time, capture Shalla Bal, bring her back and hold her prisoner, unless Surfer disintegrates himself?

Or, suck all of the Power Cosmic out of Surfer?

Or, isolate Surfer from the Power Cosmic?

Etc, etc, etc.

Quasar under Gruenwald couldn't drain the Surfer dry of Power Cosmic, htf is Thor gonna do it?

Also soul sucking won't work since we have on panel proof of Surfer resisting it and winning when Mephisto tried it. Mantis trained him in fighting off such techniques.

And last time I checked Mjlonir doens't have the ability to time travel, unless this was changed recently.

So not ONE of your examples would work vs Surfer.

Now, what would Thor do if the air around his head solidified into an indestructible (or near indestrucible) solid? He'd be phucked no?

You're aware that Surfer isn't the only one that can transmute, right?

Originally posted by zopzop
Fail.

Quasar under Gruenwald couldn't drain the Surfer dry of Power Cosmic, htf is Thor gonna do it?

Also soul sucking won't work since we have on panel proof of Surfer resisting it and winning when Mephisto tried it. Mantis trained him in fighting off such techniques.

And last time I checked Mjlonir doens't have the ability to time travel, unless this was changed recently.

So not ONE of your examples would work vs Surfer.

Now, what would Thor do if the air around his head solidified into an indestructible (or near indestrucible) solid? He'd be phucked no?