The Silver Surfer Vs Thor

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're aware that Surfer isn't the only one that can transmute, right?

Originally posted by Horrificus
"Note to self: Zop, secretly thinks very highly of Quasar." 😄

Well, out of the 2 of us, I am just going to figure you have the most experience with the "Sucking Issue", so I will surrender this to you for now. 😆 Get it? Hehe. I slyly interjected a comment into my post that alludes to the fact that you are always, well, you know... "Gobblemphllgrprll!"
Very Funny.

There, you would be blatantly wrong. He has indeed shown his ability to manipulate time.
Actually, I think there are quite a few scans of this in this forum, so I am surprised that you don't know about it.
😐
Not laughing.

Oh Yeah?! 😠
No, You!

Actually, since he does not need air, he might just thank Surfer for giving him an indestructible helmet, no?

Show me examples of him manipulating time AFTER Immortus supposedly stripped Mjolnir of that ability.

IIRC, he's done it against Absorbing-man back in JIM, when Kitty phased him into the ground and I vaguely recall him using it to repair his armor.

I'm sure rage could give you issue numbers.

He's also turned a pyramid or something into a bunch of trees.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IIRC, he's done it against Absorbing-man back in JIM, when Kitty phased him into the ground and I vaguely recall him using it to repair his armor.

I'm sure rage could give you issue numbers.

How is that anything like manipulating matter on the atomic level?

The cop states that the ground is bonded to him, IOW Thor had to seperate his molecules from those of the street.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The cop states that the ground is bonded to him, IOW Thor had to seperate his molecules from those of the street.

Notice the floor beneath him is glassed over. Looks like he just slagged the ground holding him.

If he wasn't fused to the ground, why would Thor be in pain?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If he wasn't fused to the ground, why would Thor be in pain?

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he's being crushed? If he was really fused to the ground. He wouldn't have a lower body. It'dve been destroyed.

Crushed by what? Being surrounded by asphalt wouldn't be nearly as painful for someone like Thor as opposed to actually having been fused with the ground.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Crushed by what? Being surrounded by asphalt wouldn't be nearly as painful for someone like Thor as opposed to actually having been fused with the ground.

If he was really fused into the ground, his entire lower body would be GONE. There would be nothing holding his upper body to anything. He'd just keel over bleeding profusely.

The big giveaway is the fact that the ground beneath him is FUSED into what appears to be glass. He slagged the rock/ground holding him.

This isn't hard.

Originally posted by zopzop
Crushed by the hundreds/thousands of pounds of pressure.

If he was really fused into the ground, his entire lower body would be GONE. There would be nothing holding his upper body to anything. He'd just keel over bleeding profusely.

The big giveaway is the fact that the ground beneath him is FUSED into what appears to be glass. He slagged the rock/ground holding him.

This isn't hard.

Really? Hundreds/thousands of pounds of pressure hurting Thor? facepalm

The asphalt was fused to his midsection. He still had a lower body to speak of.

Originally posted by zopzop
The cop knows this how?

Notice the floor beneath him is glassed over. Looks like he just slagged the ground holding him.

Thor is a cl 100 character, if he was just surrounded by asphalt, he could have easily muscled out.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Really? Hundreds/thousands of pounds of pressure hurting Thor? facepalm

The asphalt was fused to his midsection. He still had a lower body to speak of.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor is a cl 100 character, if he was just surrounded by asphalt, he could have easily muscled out.

Now why don't you two explain to me, why the ground beneath his feet is glassed over if he didnt' slag it?

When was the last time matter manip did that?

Thor for slight majority. Why? Their history speaks for itself. However, by feats and on paper, I'd say SS

Again, the comic flat out states that the ground is bonded to him.

In that same era, Thor's average was still enough to do shit like shatter Celestial armor, shatter mountains, cause reverbreations across entire planets, etc. Considering he's easily powered out of tons of rubble before consistently, being surrounded by asphalt would be nothing to him.

Mjolnir unfused Thor from the street and the resulting energies turned the street into glass like substance.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, the comic flat out states that the ground is bonded to him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In that same era, Thor's average was still enough to do shit like shatter Celestial armor, shatter mountains, cause reverbreations across entire planets, etc. Considering he's easily powered out of tons of rubble before consistently, being surrounded by asphalt would be nothing to him.

Mjolnir unfused Thor from the street and the resulting energies turned the street into glass like substance.

Mjolnir slagged the rock encasing Thor. That's what is shown on panel.

Can you imagine if Sersi or SS 'manipulated" matter this way? Their subjects would be burned to ashes.

Originally posted by zopzop
That cop is now an expert in how mutant powers work when you phase one object into another? They should hire him over at Xavier's school.

I'll take the word of the Cop over your's.

Originally posted by zopzop
That cop is now an expert in how mutant powers work when you phase one object into another? They should hire him over at Xavier's school.

Yeah, they are called highs and lows. This was a low for Thor.

Mjolnir slagged the rock encasing Thor. That's what is shown on panel.

Can you imagine if Sersi or SS 'manipulated" matter this way? Their subjects would be burned to ashes.

He was fused to the ground, which was was what was causing him extreme pain. Not the fact that he was surrounded by asphalt. That doesn't even make sense.

Sersi or SS's matter manipulation abilities have no bearing on this scene.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll take the word of the Cop over your's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He was fused to the ground, which was was what was causing him extreme pain. Not the fact that he was surrounded by asphalt. That doesn't even make sense.

Sersi or SS's matter manipulation abilities have no bearing on this scene.

ON PANEL :
a) He begins to spin Mjlonir around
b) Builds up momentum
c) Energy vortex is created
d) the ground holding him shatters (we literally see debris flying all over the place)
e) the ground is smoldering
f) the ground is glassed over

He superheated the ground and it shattered freeing him. It's right there on panel. How you ignore this is amazing.