The Silver Surfer Vs Thor

Started by Silent Master14 pages
Originally posted by zopzop
And I'll take what was depicted ON PANEL over some random cops comment.

The cop was on panel and so was Thor being in pain because his body was bonded to the ground.

Even if we assume you're correct and Thor is hellaciously injured by the pressure of "hundreds to thousands of pounds" (which would render the whole thing PIS) and Thor didn't matter manipulate his way free, he still has several instances of matter manipulation including his feat against Absorbing Man, turning a pyramid into trees, trapping and shrinking Hyperion in glass and other absurd feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The cop was on panel and so was Thor being in pain because his body was bonded to the ground.

Right. The cop said it SEEMS like you are bonded to the rock. Key word being "SEEMS". The cop being no expert in anything was just running his mouth.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Even if we assume you're correct and Thor is hellaciously injured by the pressure of "hundreds to thousands of pounds" (which would render the whole thing PIS) and Thor didn't matter manipulate his way free, he still has several instances of matter manipulation including his feat against Absorbing Man, turning a pyramid into trees, trapping and shrinking Hyperion in glass and other absurd feats.

Yes, let's see the context. How long did it take him to perform these feats. Surfer has done it INSTANTLY.

Originally posted by zopzop
Right. The cop said it SEEMS like you are bonded to the rock. Key word being "SEEMS". The cop being no expert in anything was just running his mouth..

We have already explained this to you.

He's done them in the span of moments or instantly.

Mjolnir can also protect him against offensive matter manipulation as well to say nothing of basically countering any energy based attack Surfer could throw his way.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We have already explained this to you.

Actually you haven't. Do you know what the word "SEEMS" means? Because that was the word the random cop used.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/seems

So it SEEMED to him that Thor was fused into the ground. He could be right or he could be wrong. He was proven wrong when Thor superheated the ground causing it to shatter and freed himself.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's done them in the span of moments or instantly.

Mjolnir can also protect him against offensive matter manipulation as well to say nothing of basically countering any energy based attack Surfer could throw his way.


Proof? Because you just saying so isn't enough. You misinterpreted the Thor/Kitty scan. So I'm a little skeptical.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He was fused to the ground, which was was what was causing him extreme pain. Not the fact that he was surrounded by asphalt. That doesn't even make sense.

Sersi or SS's matter manipulation abilities have no bearing on this scene.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
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So when Hulk got out of this :

He was using matter manip? Sweet. Who knew? 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
So when Hulk got out of this :

He was using matter manip? Sweet. Who knew? 🙄

No, his healing factor pushed it out.

That's why there were pieces lodged in his arms that were slowly falling out while he was screaming afterwards.

Originally posted by curryman
No, his healing factor pushed it out.

That's why there were pieces lodged in his arms that were slowly falling out while he was screaming afterwards.

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Originally posted by curryman
No, his healing factor pushed it out.

That's why there were pieces lodged in his arms that were slowly falling out while he was screaming afterwards.


Exactly. NO matter manip needed!

Just like in Thor's case. He superheated the rock, the rock blew up, he escaped.

All this was shown on panel.

The ground exploded with debris flying all over the place - Fact
The ground was smoldering - Fact
The ground beneath his feet was turned to glass - Fact

That's not phucking matter manip.

Hulk proved you don't need any matter manip to escape being phased into an object.

I have not read what is going on but...

I thought it that was actually the force created by flexing his muscles pushing the rock out and then his HF healing the damage on hulks case.

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly. NO matter manip needed!

Just like in Thor's case. He superheated the rock, the rock blew up, he escaped.

All this was shown on panel.

The ground exploded with debris flying all over the place - Fact
The ground was smoldering - Fact
The ground beneath his feet was turned to glass - Fact

That's not phucking matter manip.

Hulk proved you don't need any matter manip to escape being phased into an object.

What?...

Obviously Thor had to use magic-or whatever to get out of the rock. Whenever she's phasing someone she's gliding through the molecules. Thor doesn't have a healing-factor that works as strong as WWhulks.

Originally posted by curryman
What?...

Obviously Thor had to use magic-or whatever to get out of the rock. Whenever she's phasing someone she's gliding through the molecules. Thor doesn't have a healing-factor that works as strong as WWhulks.


Yes, "magic" to super heat the ground holding him.

How else do you explain why the ground exploded? Why it was smoldering? Why it was turned to glass?

Explain that.

It was super heated. That's what caused those things to happen.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, "magic" to super heat the ground holding him.

How else do you explain why the ground exploded? Why it was smoldering? Why it was turned to glass?

Explain that.

It was super heated. That's what caused those things to happen.

Okay.

How does that fix Thor's body?

Originally posted by curryman
Okay.

How does that fix Thor's body?


Who said it needed fixing? Isn't the consensus on these boards, according to on panel evidence, that Thor is more durable but Hulk has the better healing factor?

Originally posted by zopzop
Who said it needed fixing? Isn't the consensus on these boards, according to on panel evidence, that Thor is more durable but Hulk has the better healing factor?

No doubt but when she phases someone into something she's bonding their molecules.

Their last fight was pretty much equal despite the Surfer's obvious hesitation to fight. The OP removed that limitation, so I think the Surfer wins.

Originally posted by curryman
No doubt but when she phases someone into something she's bonding their molecules.

Proof? It was already shown on panel that you DO NOT NEED matter manip to escape being phased into objects.

Hulk muscled out of it using his healing factor. Thor used Mjolnir to superheat and then shatter the object holding him.

Surfer was holding back? Sure.

Thor had a great big gaping wound in his side.

Originally posted by zopzop
Proof? It was already shown on panel that you DO NOT NEED matter manip to escape being phased into objects.

Hulk muscled out of it using his healing factor. Thor used Mjolnir to superheat and then shatter the object holding him.

I'm not saying he would necessarily need matter-manip to get out.

I'm saying he would need it to remove it without getting injured.