Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf and Saruman are a joke compared to Voldemort. When they fought they pushed each other. How awesome.Any other craft or temperature in this universe not another. This statement only pertains to weaker Lotr universe where mighty wizards push each other until one loses. Get a clue.
You mean as opposed to the mighty final battle between speccy and no nose where they fired lightning at each other nothing much else happening all.
You claim that the Lord of the rings universe is weaker yet obviously fail to understand the lore of it. We're talking about magic wielded by beings that are thousands of years old. Beings that actually created the world. Some even destroyed entire continents. But without even resorting to those tales, what did no nose do that matches bringing down a mountain using a storm from a huge distance?
And even after all that it still wouldn't matter because the ring can only be destroyed in mount doom. This is a stated fact and proven on screen both by action and dialogue.
Originally posted by jaden101Giant fireballs, black matter that easily destroyed concrete, a blast that kod someone, and their energy is a lot more powerful than tk pushes. You need to watch the film. Seriously.
You mean as opposed to the mighty final battle between speccy and no nose where they fired lightning at each other nothing much else happening all.You claim that the Lord of the rings universe is weaker yet obviously fail to understand the lore of it. We're talking about magic wielded by beings that are thousands of years old. Beings that actually created the world. Some even destroyed entire continents. But without even resorting to those tales, what did no nose do that matches bringing down a mountain using a storm from a huge distance?
And even after all that it still wouldn't matter because the ring can only be destroyed in mount doom. This is a stated fact and proven on screen both by action and dialogue.
Book lore not movie lore. Lotr fans desperately want to quote books despite mighty Gandalf hiding in trees and throwing burning pinecones at his weak enemies.
So what ? The lightning blast killed no one. It was just a deterrent.
It can only be destroyed in Mount Doom in its own native universe not others. You Lotr fans are all the same.
Originally posted by quanchi112It can only be destroyed in Mount Doom in its own native universe not others. You Lotr fans are all the same.
What kind of a nonsense argument is that? I can easily flip it and say that HP spells only kill in the HP universe and would just bounce off a hobbit like throwing a dry sponge at them.
Ooooo. Fireballs! Remember Gandalf fighting a demon MADE FROM FIRE???? And winning?
Woooo. Stuff that can break concrete? How scary and powerful compared to creating and wielding storms over vast distances. A blast that ko'd someone. As opposed to throwing someone across the room from hundreds of miles away like Gandalf did to Saruman when he released Theoden from his spell that was used to control him also from hundreds of miles away with little effort.
And as I said. I'm not even a Lord of the rings fan. In fact I despise almost all of it with Two Towers being the only one I like to any extent.
Originally posted by jaden101When did I say any of that ? HP lore and spells only apply to HP but we can determine through logical reasoning based on feats/implied power what would happen. In Lotr they don't have the means to petrify a ghost but the HP verse can.
What kind of a nonsense argument is that? I can easily flip it and say that HP spells only kill in the HP universe and would just bounce off a hobbit like throwing a dry sponge at them.Ooooo. Fireballs! Remember Gandalf fighting a demon MADE FROM FIRE???? And winning?
Woooo. Stuff that can break concrete? How scary and powerful compared to creating and wielding storms over vast distances. A blast that ko'd someone. As opposed to throwing someone across the room from hundreds of miles away like Gandalf did to Saruman when he released Theoden from his spell that was used to control him also from hundreds of miles away with little effort.
And as I said. I'm not even a Lord of the rings fan. In fact I despise almost all of it with Two Towers being the only one I like to any extent.
Fireballs are greater than pushing. Pretty much everything is. Gandalf died and the Balrog while impressive played to Gandalf's strength; fire resistance.
Voldemort destroyed the shield which took hundreds of blasts with his energy alone. That's more impressive than a storm which kills no one. Imperio can do the same. Saruman controlling someone is something any decent wizard in HP can replicate. Awful.
Then you must really hate Harry Potter.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did I say any of that ? HP lore and spells only apply to HP but we can determine through logical reasoning based on feats/implied power what would happen. In Lotr they don't have the means to petrify a ghost but the HP verse can.
doesn't matter. The nature of their curse means they only have one means of being stopped. By being released from their curse. In LotR the Nazgul also dwell in a non corporeal spirit state and can be defeated by weapons from the living world in conjunction with certain magical based limitations. Such as the witch king being unable to be defeated by a man. The army of the dead have no weakness other than being lifted from their curse. Now I suppose you could script an event whereby Aragorn can be put under imperious and made to lift the curse but by that point you could script that the army of the dead have walked plain thru the Hogwarts barrier and wiped everyone out. My point being you can script anything anyway you want but arguing that the magic power shown in HP is anywhere near that of lotr or that the conventional forces from lotr are irrelevant is futile. You argued earlier that Hogwarts would have the giants etc yet lotr would have some estimated half a million troops consisting of everything from cave trolls, stone giants, giant eagles, oliphants, a balrog. A huge number of immortal elves, Sauron, Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, the witch king, arwen and smaug.
Originally posted by jaden101Potterverse has the means to stop or petrify ghosts but that has nothing to do with this particular thread.
doesn't matter. The nature of their curse means they only have one means of being stopped. By being released from their curse. In LotR the Nazgul also dwell in a non corporeal spirit state and can be defeated by weapons from the living world in conjunction with certain magical based limitations. Such as the witch king being unable to be defeated by a man. The army of the dead have no weakness other than being lifted from their curse. Now I suppose you could script an event whereby Aragorn can be put under imperious and made to lift the curse but by that point you could script that the army of the dead have walked plain thru the Hogwarts barrier and wiped everyone out. My point being you can script anything anyway you want but arguing that the magic power shown in HP is anywhere near that of lotr or that the conventional forces from lotr are irrelevant is futile. You argued earlier that Hogwarts would have the giants etc yet lotr would have some estimated half a million troops consisting of everything from cave trolls, stone giants, giant eagles, oliphants, a balrog. A huge number of immortal elves, Sauron, Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, the witch king, arwen and smaug.
Lotr has numbers but Potterverse magic can destroy Lotr and quite easily. There are many powerful magics they have not counter for but again not the thread.
SOG cuts through the ring here.
Yawn. Your dad destroys your ring doesn't he? Every night or just when he's drunk at weekends? Is it cos your mum's slack arse doesn't work for him any more?
Let's look at stated facts about the ring.
'The ring CANNOT BE DESTROYED by any craft that we here possess. It was made in the fires of mount doom. ONLY THERE can it be unmade'.
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Originally posted by jaden101Any craft here WE possess. Guess what that only applies to Lotr not Harry Potter. Sword of Gryffindor has greater feats.
Yawn. Your dad destroys your ring doesn't he? Every night or just when he's drunk at weekends? Is it cos your mum's slack arse doesn't work for him any more?Let's look at stated facts about the ring.
'The ring CANNOT BE DESTROYED by any craft that we here possess. It was made in the fires of mount doom. ONLY THERE can it be unmade'.
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