Originally posted by -Pr-
I wasn't accusing you of anything, just to be clear. My first instinct was to vote for Thor/Loki, so for you to vote Superman just surprised me.
Oh, I know that. 👆
Personally, I think OWAW Sundipped Superman was more powerful than the duo combined and if they fight conventionally (punching, hammer swings/throws, blasts, etc), they'll lose.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I wasn't accusing you of anything, just to be clear. My first instinct was to vote for Thor/Loki, so for you to vote Superman just surprised me.
Really? I still think this is spite 😛
Unless Thor/Loki goes invis-intangible right off the bat then they're in big trouble. If they do then I don't see how he'll touch them but if they don't then he'll take a 10/10 imo.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Oh, I know that. 👆Personally, I think OWAW Sundipped Superman was more powerful than the duo combined and if they fight conventionally (punching, hammer swings/throws, blasts, etc), they'll lose.
Oh okay. That I could agree with.
Originally posted by curryman
Really? I still think this is spite 😛Unless Thor/Loki goes invis-intangible right off the bat then they're in big trouble. If they do then I don't see how he'll touch them but if they don't then he'll take a 10/10 imo.
lol, fair enough.
Superman can become invisible and intangible himself, just in post-crisis continuity.
Not that that effects him, nor would Loki's power in dimension hoping Superman supersede his own ability to hop back.
It seems we're at an impasse in the BFR department.
This might be the tie-breaker, what if Loki cannot become intangible before speedblitz kill, if he's not fast enough to react against an >/=Wally West caliber Speedster??
Superman's intangibility/invisibility is a byproduct of his speed. He's still physically present. With Loki's, it's the result of magic, the likes of which has made him almost completely undetectable by Mephisto in his own realm (who is basically omnipotent) as well as Odin in Asgard, whose sense of awareness is cosmic in scale. This is without factoring in actual illusions which can trick these beings with such highly attuned cosmic senses as well as super senses in general such as Heimdall (who can see an ant crawling on the Great Wall of China from Asgard among other things).
This isn't the instance where Superman nearly destroys creation before Spectre shows up because he was flying too fast, is it?
Assuming it is post-crisis and canon, okay, that's a decent feat. But to my knowledge, Superman doesn't have the ability to spontaneously access other dimensions with his speed under his own power outside of rare circumstances. And those rare circumstances would pale in comparison to all the times Thor has BFR'd people, including those who do have teleportation abilities.
Originally posted by curryman
Clearly it's not, nor is it any indicator that Superman would somehow find his way back.Just like him being able to temporarily go intangible is no way of proving that he can somehow detect Loki when high-end skyfathers can't.
He has displayed cosmic senses, at such amped states he very well could find Loki from another cosmos.
Originally posted by Dolos
He has displayed cosmic senses, at such amped states he very well could find Loki from another cosmos.
His senses aren't better than Odin's and Mephisto's in their own realms.
If neither of those two can reliably find Loki when he doesn't want to be found, he's not going to, let alone finding Loki from another cosmos.
Originally posted by Dolos
He has displayed cosmic senses, at such amped states he very well could find Loki from another cosmos.
Based on what? absolutely nothing.
You ignored the bit about Loki being undetectable to people with far stronger cosmic senses than Superman. Nor is cosmic sense a ****ing metal-detector 🙂
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
But to my knowledge, Superman doesn't have the ability to spontaneously access other dimensions with his speed under his own power
Amped states to compound that. Phenomenally amped, just by removing mental blocks, now add sun-dip power up to the equation.
Yeah, no. His power dwarfs Thor and Loki combined, even via raw Asgardian energy access.
Loki can't run, Loki can't hide.
Super intelligence is also apart of Superman's set, which would be amped here. Loki can't outsmart him. In a BFR Superman can easily avoid any mystical based attack by being one step ahead. Loki is so outclassed speed-wise.
Loki needs to lock onto Superman to teleport him. Loki and Thor are taken to the Source Wall before they can see him in an invisible intangible state.
His raw power dwarfs theirs, his speed puts him in a different realm.