OWAW Sun-dip Superman Vs Loki AND Thor

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Skyfathers actively trying to defeat or kill them, which is what Superman will be doing here.

But not speedblitz them.

Superman has the striking power at this level to one-shot them, and the speed to do so before either can put up a defense or BFR him.

Originally posted by Dolos
It wouldn't defenses, it would be durability.

Imagine Darkseid-splitting infinite mass punch, multiplied.

Defenses would come into play as well as natural durability. Shields, blocking with Mjolnir, etc. And Superman won't be able to destroy them before they go "poof", at which point the match is completely dictated at their pace.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Defenses would come into play as well as natural durability. Shields, blocking with Mjolnir, etc. And Superman won't be able to destroy them before they go "poof", at which point the match is completely dictated at their pace.

Reaction time feats please.

Originally posted by Dolos
But not speedblitz them.

Superman has the striking power at this level to one-shot them, and the speed to do so before either can put up a defense or BFR him.

Considering the stuff that hasn't historically one shot them at their best, I doubt Superman could one shot them or beat them before they could do their thing.

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And on a side note, I find it curious that you would make a thread that you consider to be so horribly one sided in favor of Superman in the first place considering you feel that Superman is far and away more powerful than their Asgardian power combined.

Super man with all that power eventually says f it. N flies beyond speed on light n pulls there heads off.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering the stuff that hasn't historically one shot them at their best, I doubt Superman could do one shot them or beat them before they could do their thing.

Speed>their reaction times + damage capability>their durability = win.

Even if a Skyfather gave them time to defend themselves.

Superman isn't one-shotting Thor or Loki.

Come on.

Originally posted by Dolos
Speed>their reaction times + damage capability>their durability = win.

Even if a Skyfather gave them time to defend themselves.

Skyfathers repeatedly blasting them = giving them time to defend themselves?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Considering the stuff that hasn't historically one shot them at their best, I doubt Superman could one shot them or beat them before they could do their thing.

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And on a side note, I find it curious that you would make a thread that you consider to be so horribly one sided in favor of Superman in the first place considering you feel that Superman is far and away more powerful than their Asgardian power combined.

Because you're still arguing their versatility can overcome his power in an out-of-character full potential 'bfr' attack setting.

Originally posted by Dolos
Because you're still arguing their versatility can overcome his power in an out-character full potential attack setting.

It can.

I already said, in character, Superman would clearly win.

But you, apparently, think this thread is practically spite. So it raises the question: why purposefully make a spite thread in which you, the OP, clearly feel that the other team has no chance?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Skyfathers repeatedly blasting them = giving them time to defend themselves?

Yeah, a blast might not be as fast as Superman? lol. They were obviously able to react to such things.

And if they could tank a blast that couldn't hurt Darkseid without defenses, than that's PIS or CIS or a Peak-End Feat that's a one time thing and can't really be used. Especially considering that Darkseid is in a higher tier than them. Not to mention SOULFIRE Darkseid.

Originally posted by Dolos
Yeah, a blast might not be as fast as Superman? lol. They were obviously able to react to such things.

And if they could tank a blast that couldn't hurt Darkseid without defenses, than that's PIS or CIS or a Peak-End Feat that's a one time thing and can't really be used. Especially considering that Darkseid is in a higher tier than them. Not to mention SOULFIRE Darkseid.

So the higher end feats of Thor or Loki don't count, but all of Superman's does - including non-canon sources?

Makes sense.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It can.

I already said, in character, Superman would clearly win.

But you, apparently, think this thread is practically spite. So it raises the question: why purposefully make a spite thread in which you, the OP, clearly feel that the other team has no chance?

I'm attempting to bring forth the proposition that perhaps this dynamic duo would fail against the likes of Superman no matter what.

Do they have the straight durability to tank his IMP? Do you think they have the reaction times to react to a marginally FTL IMP right off the bat?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So the higher end feats of Thor or Loki don't count, but all of Superman's does - including non-canon sources?

Makes sense.

I've already conceded to the unknown of Sun-dip's ability to dimension hop. I only ever suggested it was likely.

Originally posted by Dolos
I'm attempting to bring forth the proposition that perhaps this dynamic duo would fail against the likes of Superman no matter what.

Do they have the straight durability to tank his IMP? Do you think they have the reaction times to react to a marginally FTL IMP right off the bat?

You're claiming he would one-shot both before they could react.

How is this not spite in your head?

Thor one shots Superman with a Godblast while he has a shield up that withstood Galactus attacks

Originally posted by curryman
You're claiming he would one-shot both before they could react.

How is this not spite in your head?

If he chose to BFR. If none of them BFR, I still think he'd win.

How is a presented argument spite?

Originally posted by Dolos
I'm attempting to bring forth the proposition that perhaps this dynamic duo would fail against the like of Superman.

Do they have the straight durability to tank his IMP? Do you think they have the reaction times to react to a marginally FTL IMP right off the bat?

"Perhaps" they'd fail? You're arguing that they have no chance whatsoever and wouldn't be able to defend themselves before being killed or KO'd by Superman.

Depends what you mean by "tank". They'd feel his attacks, definitely, but given their feats, he wouldn't be able to take them out before they mustered a defense or attacked him. Given their characters, it would likely be fairly straight forward, in which case they'd lose.

But, if Loki did cast his spells in the manner I threw out, there's not much Superman could do.

Originally posted by Dolos
If he chose to BFR. If none of them BFR, I still think he'd win.

How is a presented argument spite?

You don't understand what BFR means.

Nor do you know what a spite-thread is apparently.

Go read up on the rules.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Perhaps" they'd fail? You're arguing that they have no chance whatsoever and wouldn't be able to defend themselves before being killed or KO'd by Superman.

An attack that can break Soulfire Darkseid in half should be sufficient enough to break Loki and Thor in half.

The only thing you have going for you is that we don't know his full speed. And his ability to hit two of these before FTL reactions kick in. How FTL are their reactions, we know OWAW was many times FTL before the Sun-dip.

That's the extent of my argument.