Originally posted by MF DELPH
I actually think Thor and Surfer win. H/P Doomsday, while powerful, has a power based on a biochemical process (reactive evolution), and Surfer has already shown the ability to control the evolutionary process himself. Doomsday doesn't perform the evolutions by force of will and they are completely spontaneous and reactionary so I doubt he'd be able to consciously and willingly combat Surfer manipulating the changes to his biochemistry, or halting the processes outright. Once the evolutions are neutralized it becomes a downhill battle for the team.
surfer has cosmic awareness so prolly already knows a lot about DD.
Doomsday is the only combatant on the field incapeably of flying. Thor and surfur can win but it wil be through exotic means they will not be able to fight him hand to hand. A jacked up supes couldn't due and if he cant theses dudes are not.
DD wins 10/10 via hand to hand but the team can possibly win through exotic means.
The team is more than capable of killing him off permanently. The problem with the fools DD fought in the past is that they leave the body alone right after they killed it.
1. Thor godlbasts him to death.
2. Silver Surfer transmutes his atoms to other non organic matter.
Yeah let's pretend DD could revert back to his actual self after getting his dna makeup changed.
Originally posted by DTM
It was proven on panel that HP Doomsday > Superman + Orion + Martian Manhunter (which to me is > Thor + Silver Surfer). Not to mention HP DD ripped Darkseid apart. Removing the BFR option means HP Doomsday wins here.
From what I remember, Darkseid was taken down by a sucker shot from turning his back from Doomsday. Sure Doomsday adapted from Darkseid's blast, but the omega beams weren't set to maximum setting and Darkseid's downside in that arc was that the writer's ignore relative durability comparison between him and Superman (whereas superman would probably took that sucker shot better while Darkseid went down like a weak feeb).
Would totally be a different scenario should Darkseid not underestimated him after Doomsday fell.
Darkseid had met Doomsday before HP, so hes a fool for dismissing him so easily during HP, not to mention Doomsday survived an Omega Blast relatively unharmed, but he also ripped Darkseid to pieces within seconds. This team will get in their good shots, but HP Doomsday has already beaten more powerful teams than Surfer and Thor, rather handily at that.
Originally posted by Galan007I'm going to remember this --
Because he mentioned that it was still well within his ability to unleashed a Godblast in the AT scan. I doubt very highly that he was speaking in hyperbole to himself in a verbalized-thought.
So you're saying that doing something last in 1999, then mentioning it passingly once again in more than a decade, is enough to consider an ability that is usable and very much in character for a forum fight?
Then, you'd certainly agree that, say, Superman blitzes Thor, 10/10, no?
That question goes for the Thor fans, too. 🙂
Fun fact: Superman used T-Vo more times than Thor used the Godblast. And more recently done so, too.
How about that?
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As for the thread - Doomsday stomps the ever living shit out of them, and it's not even close.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm going to remember this --So you're saying that doing something last in 1999, then mentioning it passingly once again in more than a decade, is enough to consider an ability that is usable and very much in character for a forum fight?
Do you think Thor's lost the ability to do the godblast?
Originally posted by currymanNo. But it has a funny way of being 'averaged' [😂] on the forum - the more underpowered/optionless Thor is against a character, the more its being used!
Do you think Thor's lost the ability to do the godblast?
Nevermind averaging out its logistics [i.e. charging time, capability] - which takes us in a whole other discussion.
Originally posted by Philosophía
No. But it has a funny way of being 'averaged' [😂] on the forum - the more underpowered/optionless Thor is against a character, the more its being used!Nevermind averaging out its logistics [i.e. charging time, capability] - which takes us in a whole other discussion.
That's sort of the point tho isn't it? You can't be upset that people bring a up a character's last resort move the more he is at a disadvantage.
He's in a fight he can't win and people shouldn't bring it up?
I agree that he wouldn't get it off here, but this is obviously the kind of thread where it should be considered.
Originally posted by currymanThe key here is 'last resort move'. Thor won't use it from the start, and chances are, given his 'average' use of the goblast when confronting overpowering enemies, that he won't use it anywhere near singificantly enough throughout the fight itself to matter, either [and then, we'd have the question of him having the time within the fight to charge it, and the aim to hit a moving, fighting Doomsday etc.]
That's sort of the point tho isn't it? You can't be upset that people bring a up a character's last resort move the more he is at a disadvantage.
The main problems are:
a). Doomsday has already encountered skyfathers who start off with their ultimate attack against him [i.e. Darkseid], and he has wiped the floor with them.
b). If you don't start with the ultimate attack against him [something that Thor won't do anywhere near what could be considered half of his average], then he can and will make short work of you in moments.
c). In the 1/20 times Thor does use the godblast, there is a high probability that he will either miss, or won't have the time to charge it in the first place.
Originally posted by Philosophía
The key here is 'last resort move'. Thor won't use it from the start, and chances are, given his 'average' use of the goblast when confronting overpowering enemies, that he won't use it anywhere near singificantly enough throughout the fight itself to matter, either [and then, we'd have the question of him having the time within the fight to charge it, and the aim to hit a moving, fighting Doomsday etc.]The main problems are:
a). Doomsday has already encountered skyfathers who start off with their ultimate attack against him [i.e. Darkseid], and he has wiped the floor with them.
b). If you don't start with the ultimate attack against him [something that Thor won't do anywhere near what could be considered half of his average], then he can and will make short work of you in moments.
c). In the 1/20 times Thor does use the godblast, there is a high probability that he will either miss, or won't have the time to charge it in the first place.
a) I didn't know all of the lesser darkseid's had an equally powerful OB.
b) I don't think it would work in this fight.
c) In this fight, most likely.
