Originally posted by Philosophía
It was as 'real' as real Darkseid gets, baring Final Crisis.
Yeah but Countdown, DOTNG and Morrison pretty much set that whole nonsense straight. I'm under the opinion that they've all been avatars.
Not that it makes much of a difference for the purpose of H/P discussions. That particular avatar must've been at least as powerful as what had passed for the Darkseid average up until then 🙂
Originally posted by currymanThey didn't really. As far as the DC Universe is concerned, we have the 'real' Darkseid of the DC Universe (i.e. the one from Crisis on Infinite Earths, H/P Doomsday, Our Worlds at War etc.), his projections/avatars/Desaad impersonations, and then there's the version of Darkseid and the New Gods [i.e. the one from Final Crisis/Seven Soldiers] where they're platonic ideas of evil, knowledge, war etc. existing on an upper dimension, not very much unlike the Monitors.
Yeah but Countdown, DOTNG and Morrison pretty much set that whole nonsense straight.
But as far as the 'physical' interactions with the superheroes go, the H/P Doomsday is the 'true' Darkseid, and not an avatar or impersonation.
Originally posted by Philosophía
We have the 'real' Darkseid of the DC Universe (i.e. the one from Crisis on Infinite Earths, H/P Doomsday, Our Worlds at War etc.), his projections/avatars/Desaad impersonations, and then there's the version of Darkseid and the New Gods [i.e. the one from Final Crisis/Seven Soldiers] where they're platonic ideas of evil, knowledge, war etc. existing on an upper dimension, not very much unlike the Monitors.
👆 a more reasonable reading of the character.
Originally posted by Philosophía
So you're saying that doing something last in 1999, then mentioning it passingly once again in more than a decade, is enough to consider an ability that is usable and very much in character for a forum fight?
Which is more recent than Superman's most recent T-Vo, I presume.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Thor did fire one in the 2012 Mighty Thot Annual against Galactus, Scrier and the Other. It's a different thing that Thor fans are unconvinced of the nature of the attack because of the differing procedure in which it was fired, but it was a Godblast nevertheless.Which is more recent than Superman's most recent T-Vo, I presume.
Originally posted by Estacadogo find some "bad fighting" in the arc and we can go over it in more detail 🙂
Coming from a Hulk fan that is kinda lulz worthy since the whole Wwh arc had poor fighting in it....haermm
anyway, nice parry, though. you tried to pass off a horrible performance as some kind of irrefutable defense of doomsday's formidably when it's just inverse ninja law in that instance. waverider watched superman get outmaneuvered by in all accounts, a retarded animal, so they were barely a duo. i retract the "dynamic duo" tag
Originally posted by psycho gundam
go find some "bad fighting" in the arc and we can go over it in more detail 🙂anyway, nice parry, though. you tried to pass off a horrible performance as some kind of irrefutable defense of doomsday's formidably when it's just inverse ninja law in that instance. waverider watched superman get outmaneuvered by in all accounts, a retarded animal, so they were barely a duo. i retract the "dynamic duo" tag
Don't answer.....
Originally posted by Estacado"don't answer" = don't make me defend my foolishness
How come no one thought about dumping Hulk into another dimension or launching his ass into space again?Don't answer.....
the question is rhetorical I hope cause only an idiot would think (and not read when it was addressed) that hulk would come back from that even madder than he originally was, regardless of his innocence being confirmed by the illuminati and the goddamn spirit of vengeance itself lol. he's been to other dimensions before, even the microverse and still returned. it's nothing.
even doomsday's barely sentient ass was brought back after the writers were even done with him for a bit. his origin even includes him being dumped into space where he crash lands on earth looking for bertron, then gets tossed into deep space by hank henshaw on a coarse where he "won't" interact with anything, then he even gets dumped into entropy at the end of time...still able to return....
i won't even go into lengths about superboy-prime.
welcome to comics.
Great logic....👆
In that case no one would resort to BFR because every character that has been BFRd before has came back....Juggernaut,General,Despero..etc
Then they should say "There is no sense in sending him into another dimension because he will come back sooner or later.....okay then we should just let him kick our ass..."
Well, in terms of the WWH arc, the Illuminati already felt guilty turning Hulk into "someone else's" problem. Doing that again with how pissed he was would have been pretty un-heroic.
And, tbf, as easy as a BFR should have been, Hulk could have easily just went instant "worldbreaker" and obliterated the planet or a great deal of it before most people could do anything to stop him. That is, of course, barring people like Franklin and shit on Earth.
Originally posted by Damborgsonspace in comics isn't empty. some alien will inevitably find and decide to use him as a tool, or he'll be pulled by some gravitational body and make his way back.
Or they could have sent him floating into empty space.
this is a doomsday thread and that didn't cross your minds?
Originally posted by Estacadofacepalm
Great logic....👆
In that case no one would resort to BFR because every character that has been BFRd before has came back....Juggernaut,General,Despero..etc
Then they should say "There is no sense in sending him into another dimension because he will come back sooner or later.....okay then we should just let him kick our ass..."
Originally posted by psycho gundam
space in comics isn't empty. some alien will inevitably find and decide to use him as a tool, or he'll be pulled by some gravitational body and make his way back.this is a doomsday thread and that didn't cross your minds?
If they were to send him into the empty blackness of space, which yes, still exists in comics, he'd be lightyears away from a collision course with any planet or celestial body.
Thinking some alien is going to see him and drag him onto their ship, is a very "Pak" thing to say.
did pak write for doomsday?
you guys don't even seem to understand the very characters you debate; it took a murderous robot to toss doomsday into space, the real superman wouldn't even do that. coming back isn't even the first hurdle, the first hurdle is the hero bfr'ing their opponent to begin with. it's a rare tactic that isn't even sound 90% of the time
Originally posted by psycho gundam
did pak write for doomsday?you guys don't even seem to understand the very characters you debate; it took a murderous robot to toss doomsday into space, the real superman wouldn't even do that.
No, but how us that relevant to what i was saying?
I wasn't debating anything?