Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I'm sorry, I thought we were debating TP link, not LoZ/AoL link. You know, the link that came after the iron boots and the use of hammer space.He may not be able to hurt link on his own, but he has a whole river of hylian cooking lava that would help.
What? Marbles are trippy 🙁
Batman can't get Link into the lava, and even if he could he'd get killed in the process, and Link would not, ergo losing him the match.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Also, lava does GameOver you. I was just playing through the goron mines last week.
It gives you the standard bottomless pit restart at the beginning of the room, Zora armour game overs you with your hand sticking out of the lava all smeagol like.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The hammerspace has never been acknowledged, in fact, the opposite is true, it's been pointed out that Link IS carrying all that shit he has, in 1986 this included a ladder.Not that this matters, because unlike Batman, Link would survive. Trying to throw Link in will just get him dragged along and killed. The idea that Batman even survives within sword range is hilarious.
And yet in cutscenes Link never has any of that shit. 😬 Remember that the whole point of the Iron Boots is to weigh him down which makes no sense if he already weighs 90 tons.
But if you really want to go that route then fine, Link probably can't move with all that ****ing shit strapped to his body, he's liable to easily overbalance since his equipment weighs so much more than his scrawny frame, and since they're all physical items now at least half are worthless because its too impractical and time consuming to actually change equipment in the middle of battle.
Batman wins easily. 👆
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@Your second point: Good thing Batman at least had ways to deal with them, he doesn't have that with Link. He can't hurt Link, he can't incapacitate Link, he can't keep away from Link. His only real option here is to run.
Batman has ways to beat Link too. 🙄
Also, lol, Batmans a ninja. He can keep away from Link for as long as he wants. The guys disappeared in plain view.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
it is [b]irrelevant to this thread. [/B]
You're the one who brought it up.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilYes, it hurts, but it's not lethal without the Zora armour.
... still hurts though.Your argument was that Bats couldn't throw link because he was to heavy. If batman could get within judo range, he could bake link in the lava.
My argument was that it was entirely outside the realm of possibility for many reasons, weight being just one. Strength is another.
Batman grabs Link by the wrist and attempts the Judo throw, but wait, he can't overpower the muscles in Link's pinkie finger, Link does not assume judo thrown position. He just raises his arm and Bats flies clear over his shoulder. Batman is certainly strong enough to lift Link, but actually pulling that off against an opponent much stronger than you is very, very hard. Throwing someone like that, due to the way people are build, requires you to be able to manipulate their body to some degree, something Batman cannot do to Link.
Lets say for some reason Link is feeling generous, and goes with it. Now they're both in lava because Batman can't overpower Link's own grip. (Link conversely can break Batman's arm off by accident.) Link gets burnt, Batman straight up dies.
So the one hope Batman has in this entire scenario to even harm Link is to actively commit suicide and hope Link feels like going with him.
This all assumes he gets past Link's bow, sword, ball and chain, and fists. Let's be clear, never gonna happen. haermm
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet in cutscenes Link never has any of that shit. 😬 Remember that the whole point of the Iron Boots is to weigh him down which makes no sense if he already weighs 90 tons.But if you really want to go that route then fine, Link probably can't move with all that ****ing shit strapped to his body, he's liable to easily overbalance since his equipment weighs so much more than his scrawny frame, and since they're all physical items now at least half are worthless because its too impractical and time consuming to actually change equipment in the middle of battle.
Batman wins easily. 👆
Batman has ways to beat Link too. 🙄
Also, lol, Batmans a ninja. He can keep away from Link for as long as he wants. The guys disappeared in plain view.
You're the one who brought it up.
I brought it up as one of many reasons Batman can't just toss Link into the lava for a win.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I see you're still ttly nt trllng. Zohnoes, Ninjas. Because Twilight Princess Link can't turn into a wolf and sniff him out? Batman can't even hide from Link. He leaves or he dies.I brought it up as one of many reasons Batman can't just toss Link into the lava for a win.
Wouldn't there be too much smoke and volcanic gases in the air?
But thanks for ignoring most of my post, makes typing it out feel so worth it.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilIf Batman has thrown Superman without using specialized tech and krpytonite, I'll eat my hat. Link isn't anywhere close to Superman, but he's far enough above Bats for that comparison to hold true, Batman cannot physically effect him.
I think this may just be the cartoon again, but didn't he judo throw superman once. A smoke bomb, some trippy balls, a little sneaky sneaky and bats could totally get a decent throw in. Link is strong, but he isn't exactly speedy, is he?
A smoke bomb doesn't make Link weak enough for Bats to throw, and Link can disperse it before Bats can safely close. As for his speed, it's debatable. He out swordfights a lightning timer, but Neph there will get supar butthurt if we use that example.
link-rape
Cutscenes give Link the ability to swing his sword at 0.02 of a second or something, though, IIRC. Have to go find the calc again.[
Originally posted by NephthysThey do require you to be strong enough to manipulate your foes' body, you can't use the weight and leverage needed on someone who you can't force into a position where those assets are available. Imagine trying to judo throw a statue, it doesn't work.
I'm pretty sure Judo throws are more to do with weight and center of gravity than strength. I'm also sure that Batman has tossed much stronger opponents than Link around.
I can't recall Batman having anyone in his rogues gallery who is physically comparable to Link.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilPlenty strong enough, the gap is so wide it could make Link 1/10th his usual strength and Batman wouldn't notice a difference. >_> I don't think you're grasping how wide the gap is.
Because link is Soooooo much stronger as a wolf? 😉
Originally posted by NephthysI took your assurance on page one that you were not in fact trolling as confirmation that you were.
Wouldn't there be too much smoke and volcanic gases in the air?But thanks for ignoring most of my post, makes typing it out feel so worth it.
Except I'm not. Batman can take Link apart for real.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They do require you to be strong enough to manipulate your foes' body, you can't use the weight and leverage needed on someone who you can't force into a position where those assets are available. Imagine trying to judo throw a statue, it doesn't work.I can't recall Batman having anyone in his rogues gallery who is physically comparable to Link.
Only if your foe is actively resisting you. And a bunch of throws in Judo are counters. Batman dodges a punch, grabs Links outstretch arm and flips him over his shoulder.
Solomon Grundy?
Plus Batman is in about 3 superhero teams at any one time.
If link and batman weigh close to the same, all batman has to do is get his center lower than link's. Not that hard, especially if he can get behind him. You're also forgetting that in that cutsceane where link tanks an ax, he still getskknocked down. If batman gives a strong enough strike, it might not hurt link but he will get knocked back a little.
Originally posted by NephthysNo, Batman cannot. haermm And it makes it hard to take you serious when you say it is. 😐
Except I'm not. Batman can take Link apart for real.Only if your foe is actively resisting you. And a bunch of throws in Judo are counters. Batman dodges a punch, grabs Links outstretch arm and flips him over his shoulder.
Solomon Grundy?
Plus Batman is in about 3 superhero teams at any one time.
Why wouldn't Link be resisting Batman? And even if Link drops his weapons and throws a punch, he's not automatically in some magical judo-able position, Batman still needs to be able to exert some control over Link's arm and shoulder to make the throw work properly.
Solomon Grundy has an insanely wide variance. When he fights Batman he is not at the same levels as when he fights, say, Superman.
Unless the rest of Batman's team is here, this is irrelevant.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
If link and batman weigh close to the same, all batman has to do is get his center lower than link's. Not that hard, especially if he can get behind him. You're also forgetting that in that cutsceane where link tanks an ax, he still getskknocked down. If batman gives a strong enough strike, it might not hurt link but he will get knocked back a little.
If Link held perfectly still for a while, sure, Batman could pick him up and carry him into the lava, and then Link could lie down there and wait to suffocate and burn in it.
But that's not going to happen. Batman isn't fast enough to pull it off unless Link lets him. Batman isn't strong or durable enough to even consider that kind of a gambit, and getting your center lower than another person works because another person cannot lift you into the air by flicking your nose. Sure, if Link doesn't unfoot him Batman could use such a position to move Link, but how did he even get there without a sword/arrow/magical boomerange/pebble/ball and chain in his face?
Bombs hurt link, baterang grenade. Smoke bomb makes so link can't see. Bolos might not work for long, but they might work. Doesn't batman have a metallic rope/grapple. He has a lot of gizmos that would make it easier to toss link into the lava.
Quick question, if batman gets him in, how do you think he's getting out?
If Batman can dodge machine gun fire, he can dodge those.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, Batman cannot. haermm And it makes it hard to take you serious when you say it is. 😐Why wouldn't Link be resisting Batman? And even if Link drops his weapons and throws a punch, he's not automatically in some magical judo-able position, Batman still needs to be able to exert some control over Link's arm and shoulder to make the throw work properly.
Solomon Grundy has an insanely wide variance. When he fights Batman he is not at the same levels as when he fights, say, Superman.
Unless the rest of Batman's team is here, this is irrelevant.
And your rampant fanboyism makes it hard to take you seriously too. Luckily I'm a bad enough dude to do it anyway.
Usually its too quick to actively tense your muscles and resist the motion, or take you by surprise. No, he wouldn't, he'd just flip him.
Not all the time.
No, it isn't. I just pointed it out to show that Batman fights villains outside of his rogues. Hell, Bats once made Wonder Woman cry out in pain by clapping her ears and incapacitated her. And WW is a hell of a lot more durable than Link.
But seriously, knock-out gas.
Bombs hurt link, baterang grenade.
Link doesn't need to see.
Bolos won't work at all, Link could snap the cords with the same effort you or I put into breathing.
He's got a lot of gizmoes that are going to achieve very little in the grand scheme of things. The smoke Link can dissipate just by swinging his shield, the bolos do nothing, the marbles are a gimmick, a metal grapple line is good for BAtman swinging around but Link has his own clawshots.
Which incidentally will get Link out of the lava in a jiffy, if Batman, by some miracle, got him in. Alternatively he surfs on it with the spinner because that seems fun.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If Batman can dodge machine gun fire, he can dodge those.And your rampant fanboyism makes it hard to take you seriously too. Luckily I'm a bad enough dude to do it anyway.
Usually its too quick to actively tense your muscles and resist the motion, or take you by surprise. No, he wouldn't, he'd just flip him.
Not all the time.
No, it isn't. I just pointed it out to show that Batman fights villains outside of his rogues. Hell, Bats once made Wonder Woman cry out in pain by clapping her ears and incapacitated her. And WW is a hell of a lot more durable than Link.
But seriously, knock-out gas.
Usually. Not in this case. Link has super human combat speed, and, wait, here's the best part, he doesn't need to tense his muscles. If Link throws a punch, and Batman attempts to counter it by throwing him, and Link doesn't react to him in any way, do you know what happens?
If Link simply follows through with his punch as he would had BAtman not grabbed his arm, Batman ends up crushed against Link's side with his bones reduced to splinters. 😐
Scan of Batman throwing a high end Solomon Grundy? How about even a low one?
WW can be hurt by bullets because she has retarded rules governing her durability. 😐 Not exactly concerned by that example.
Link waves his shield, lotta good that did.
You quite done?