Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Cite an instance of it occuring outside of gameplay.
2. They're a lot stronger than baterang grenades, they shatter whole boulders.
3. One of the weaker incarnations of Link, (Young Link in MM, who lacked the ToC) could strap them to his face, you know, over his eyes, and detonate them without harm so I have a hard time buying that TP Link, who gets fired out of a cannon in the sky at super sonic speeds directly into the ground can't handle a little exploding.Link doesn't need see
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilBats does not have the speed advantage. O_o you might have missed one of my edits.
I wouldn't say he stomps. Link is stronger physically but bats does have the stealth and speed advantage here.
Also, stealth is irrelevant, Link can turn into a wolf.
Link outswordfought Ganondorf, a lightning timer. His combat speed could easily be said to be comparable to Ganondorf's because of that. But even if we ignore that, the cutscene displaying the Great Spin (a move that Link could use to kill Batman at literally any time should Bats come within like, 8 feet of Link, lol.) demonstrates that Link can do a complete 360 sword slash in something like 0.15 of a second. I can't remember the exact number. BUT:
Scaling from that Link could slash in 0.03 or so of a second, something Batman is not ready for.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
To be fair, MM is probably the strongest link in the series.
MM Link is actually one of the weakest, he lost the ToC, and is in his young body again. As an adult with the ToC yeah, he's up there.
The hero of time actually kept the triforce of courage and used it as evidence to convince the king to execute ganondorf before he left for termina. Also some of his masks give him a serious advantage.
On topic, what speed feats does TP link have. Turning into a wolf would be a huge mistake in this fight.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilTP Link isn't a speedster, he doesn't run around like Sonic or anything, all of his speed is combat related. That said, TP Link is ambiguous, unlike some of the other Links where I can cite some extremely solid shit for.
The hero of time actually kept the triforce of courage and used it as evidence to convince the king to execute ganondorf before he left for termina. Also some of his masks give him a serious advantage.On topic, what speed feats does TP link have. Turning into a wolf would be a huge mistake in this fight.
TP Link does play tennis with magic, and he can, due to the way the game engine works, shoot enemy arrows out of the air in gameplay.
As a wolf he can move fast enough to simul-kill multiple enemies, and as a Hylian he's got a measured on screen swing speed of like 0.03 seconds, but again I'd need to go find the old posts to get exact numbers. He can cut arrows out of flight, etc.
He matches Ganondorf in a sword fight, Ganondorf is fast enough to play tennis with lightning, so yeah, if we say they're comparable LOL@Batman.
I fail to see how turning into a wolf could be a mistake for him, though. Being a quadraped makes the sole thing Batman could use to even hurt Link impossible due to increased stability. Batman could never hide from wolf Link, and wolf Link could kill him in a single pounce. Just like regular Link.
At this point I'm not sure why we're still debating anything at all though. The only thing in this entire thread that can hurt Link at all is the incidental lava Impediment threw in.
That only works if Batman survives long enough to find a way to put Link in it without dying.
That means avoiding arrows that move fast enough to pierce diamond, and can travel potentially for miles, accurately. Link made a dead on shot with the bow from opposite ends of a canyon, at the bottom, hitting a two inch wide target.
It means avoiding bombs. And Bomb arrows.
It means most likely getting in close to Link, who can great spin on the spot for the instant kill at ranges Batman can't even reach him from.
It means getting inside that the swing range of a man with a sword who outfought someone who can play tennis with lightning, and who is strong enough to snap steel girders over his knee.
It might mean trying to grapple a wolf that could crush his skull in it's jaws the same way you and I might chew a grape. 😐
It means that somehow, getting inside that range, alive, without getting bashed over the head with a shield for the kill, and then, trying to throw someone, who is so strong that Batman cannot manipulate so much as the joints of his pinkie finger if Link doesn't let him, and hoping to God that Link doesn't just fold his arms while Batman is holding onto one of them, crushing Batman into Batpulp.
It means hoping, that with his very human and very limited stamina, he doesn't simply get too tired after failing to get Link into the lava pit after spending a couple hours doing so while Link I guess does not much of anythign except not let him.
If all of this happens, and Link lets Batman get close, lets him throw him, and lets himself land in the lava. Batman is now still hoping Link didn't haul him with, due to Link having both the strength and combat speed to do so, with Batman having no choice. Batman would not survive it, Link would.
So if ALL of that happens, Batman might have a small chance.
So, uh, yeah. That won't amount to even one fight out of a hundred, let alone ten.
Can we agree, now, without further antics, that Link wins this fairly handily?
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvilI am aware! When he left Hyrule he left the ToC behind, however. Ergo, he no longer had it when he stuck the blast mask on his face. 😛
The hero of time actually kept the triforce of courage and used it as evidence to convince the king to execute ganondorf before he left for termina. Also some of his masks give him a serious advantage.On topic, what speed feats does TP link have. Turning into a wolf would be a huge mistake in this fight.
Nope. The only reason TP link has it is because he inherited it from his ancestor, MM link. Notice how every other link had to actually earn theirs.
Link's main strength is his arsenal. Being a wolf nullifies that. Also, I don't think wolf link is as superhuman as normal link. The most it ever did was move a stone slab. While impressive, it isn't exactly earth shattering.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Nope. The only reason TP link has it is because he inherited it from his ancestor, MM link. Notice how every other link had to actually earn theirs.Link's main strength is his arsenal. Being a wolf nullifies that. Also, I don't think wolf link is as superhuman as normal link. The most it ever did was move a stone slab. While impressive, it isn't exactly earth shattering.
In this thread his arsenal isn't a big deal since he's not fighting a giant skeleton monster in a room filled with rails or anything like that. Batman isn't Stallord.
As for the wolf's physical abilities, it probably isn't as powerful as regular Link, but it is strong enough to stop a charging boar Ganon, so it could probably stop, say, a freight train, given enough distance to slide. It's plenty strong enough to kill Batman.
So do we agree, or no? You were ambiguous on that.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm not sure about strength, but Batman has a monumental speed advantage. He outdrew a guy who can shoot FTL beams out of his eyes. Batman would run circles around Link and then some.
Lol Darkseid warned him before he was going to do it.
Besides this, from the panels, Batman shot first, Darkseid shot just after being shot himself.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Link has a 75% of winning, but bats still has a shot.
Explain to me how you give Batman a 25% chance of winning against someone he cannot even hurt, excluding the 0.01% chance he has of knocking him into lava, which 75% of the time also results in Batman's death, and does not actually kill Link.
Explain that to me, seriously.
Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Batman has dealt with super powers before and probably can figure out how to mess with his more primitive weapons.
And mess with Link's more primitive weapons? Lol. How is he going to 'mess' with a sword? Try and talk Fi into please not bisecting his liver? :/ Or is he going to try to cut Link's bow string, at range, even though that bow string can apparently survive tensions so high Batman is incapable of damaging it. Let alone before he takes a super-sonic arrow to the dome from someone who can shoot a 2 inch target at a half mile?
I'm just saying, Batman taking 1/4 when his only hope to even hurt Link is tantamount to suicide? Really? haermm
Batman's high end explosive batarangs can certainly hurt Link.
But that's about it.
I don't know who to call as having the speed edge.
Anyway...I think its some OCD on my part, but threads like this that are a complete clash of styles/genres just make me want to barf. I mean, Batman doesn't even have a sword. 😬