Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You said the facts support Sauron so you have no choice not to accept. He's in a few scenes. This would be one of the easiest battlezones ever considering the appearances.
No I would not be. While I have seen Lord of the rings, it's not my filed of expertise to where I could actaully do a full on battlezone. However thank you for the offer. If you were to have offered this for Dumbledore vs Voldmoert I would have accepted it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You said the facts support Sauron so you have no choice not to accept. He's in a few scenes. This would be one of the easiest battlezones ever considering the appearances.
Again the field of expertise isn't with lord of the rings for me. You should offer this to Stealthranger who knows a great deal about this topic then I. Offer me a Dumbledore vs Voldemort battlezone and I will most defintly consider it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2We already debated Albus with probably well over a hundred replies. As I said it's a few scenes and I wouldn't consider you an expert in anything. I'd consider you a lifelong enemy of common sense and logic.
Again the field of expertise isn't with lord of the rings for me. You should offer this to Stealthranger who knows a great deal about this topic then I. Offer me a Dumbledore vs Voldemort battlezone and I will most defintly consider it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Sauron lost the war and never rose to power. He was always put down.
And Voldemort lost the war too, suffering the humiliating "hoisted by your own petard" trope both times
Sauron lost because of some deus ex machina bullshit and even the one being who was able to resist the ring's influence was corrupted by it's influence in the end
Dwarves wrecked them and only a few were something to ride home about.
Dwarves were on the losing end of the battle and only won because Thorin and Legolas and co took the battle to their commanders
The lot of them were stupid and easy to beat in a battle.
Downplaying
They had numbers. That's about it.
Well yeah, and various elites (Uruk-Hai, Morannon Orcs, Easterlings, Haradrim), Corsair Fleets, giant monsters, but oh well, never let the facts get in the way of a good story rite?
Says you. Azog lost. Sauron was not a nice guy but his side always lost and he never rose to power despite the ring ploy. You'd think he could close that deal. Shame.
Seemed to treat his minions better than Voldemort, who even had be double agents behind his back. Sauron had no such instability
I also seem to recall Voldemort's minions went "**** this" and ran once Harry Potter got up in the last movie
People were not afraid to speak Sauron's name. Rightfully so as he didn't last a that long in battle.
Yes they were, which was where Rowling got the whole "fear of the name evokes fear of the main bad guy" thing from
#moarproofHPcopiedfromLOTR
The Ministry of Magic, Dumbledore, the Aurors, etc. were competent unlike Sauron's massive army.
😂
Ministry and Aurors dropped like flies, after sheer denial of Voldemort returning and their Minister resigning (well that and having several ex-Death Eaters in their ranks)
Gandalf was dominated by the witch King and hid up agree from some orcs and tossed fiery pine cones.
Voldemort lost to a baby, toys with small parts can kill babies. Toys with small parts>Voldemort>>regular wizards
#logic
Words don't mean shit. He was weak. Galadriel kinda was a big deal. She's greater than Gandalf the grey.
Considering Galadriel was so powerful that only Sauron coming to Lorien personally to kick ass and smoke weed was the only real was to defeat her, I'm not seeing your point
Nah, Galadriel banished him and without too much trouble. Voldemort would easily destroy him.
Can you show me where Voldemort shoots people across a continent?
Originally posted by quanchi112
We already debated Albus with probably well over a hundred replies. As I said it's a few scenes and I wouldn't consider you an expert in anything. I'd consider you a lifelong enemy of common sense and logic.
Yes and in those replies you were allowed to troll with no such guidelines or judge to say where it was going. Then why offer me a battlezone? If you think I lack all the elements needed for a proper debate why reply to me, and offer me this battlezone. And I'm sure most of the posters here would disagree with you on that last part 😂
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2To give you the chance to actually do something worthwhile. I'll put on a show but you're simply too afraid despite saying the facts are with you. Despicable coward.
Yes and in those replies you were allowed to troll with no such guidelines or judge to say where it was going. Then why offer me a battlezone? If you think I lack all the elements needed for a proper debate why reply to me, and offer me this battlezone. And I'm sure most of the posters here would disagree with you on that last part 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
To give you the chance to actually do something worthwhile. I'll put on a show but you're simply too afraid despite saying the facts are with you. Despicable coward.
Defeating you in basically every thread I've encountered you in was more than enough humiliation for you. The simple truth is I don't know enough for lord of the rings to participate in a battlezone. If it were Star Wars, or Harry Potter it would be different. Lord of the Rings not my field.
Originally posted by StealthRangerVoldemort still rose to power whereas Sauron didn't. Context matters.
And Voldemort lost the war too, suffering the humiliating "hoisted by your own petard" trope both timesSauron lost because of some deus ex machina bullshit and even the one being who was able to resist the ring's influence was corrupted by it's influence in the end
Dwarves were on the losing end of the battle and only won because Thorin and Legolas and co took the battle to their commanders
Downplaying
Well yeah, and various elites (Uruk-Hai, Morannon Orcs, Easterlings, Haradrim), Corsair Fleets, giant monsters, but oh well, never let the facts get in the way of a good story rite?
Seemed to treat his minions better than Voldemort, who even had be double agents behind his back. Sauron had no such instability
I also seem to recall Voldemort's minions went "**** this" and ran once Harry Potter got up in the last movie
Yes they were, which was where Rowling got the whole "fear of the name evokes fear of the main bad guy" thing from
#moarproofHPcopiedfromLOTR
Ministry and Aurors dropped like flies, after sheer denial of Voldemort returning and their Minister resigning (well that and having several ex-Death Eaters in their ranks)
Voldemort lost to a baby, toys with small parts can kill babies. Toys with small parts>Voldemort>>regular wizards
#logic
Considering Galadriel was so powerful that only Sauron coming to Lorien personally to kick ass and smoke weed was the only real was to defeat her, I'm not seeing your point
Can you show me where Voldemort shoots people across a continent?
Voldemort lost due to the wand not being rightfully his whereas Sauron never even got the ring again. Despite his massive army they marched it right into mordor.
Due to being outnumbered but they won despite the huge Orc army. Sauron lost every major battle we practically see on screen including the one he was a part of.
Facts. We see rocks taking them out. Laughable.
Uruk hai went down very easily and even their elite got his ass kicked by Aragorn. 😂
Some left yes but others also stayed. Azog's forces were routed in the end.
Provide proof then in the films a major theme is people from middle earth are afraid to speak Sauron's name.
Wizards from both sides died but we didn't see them easily slaughtered at all like the villains from Lotr. Even Sauron was easily killed by losing a few digits.
😂 😂
Context. You ignore it. The baby did nothing to protect itself. Voldemort also easily defeated Harry in a duel. Did Sauron ever kill Isildur ?
Voldemort would kill him not Bfr him. Voldemort can also apparate, sport. I also didn't make that claim. I said destroy, you illiterate ****.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2You admit to ignorance. Perfect. I love hearing you admit it. Dude, even a moderator closed your troll thread basically apologizing and then after coming back to serve me once again.
Defeating you in basically every thread I've encountered you in was more than enough humiliation for you. The simple truth is I don't know enough for lord of the rings to participate in a battlezone. If it were Star Wars, or Harry Potter it would be different. Lord of the Rings not my field.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You admit to ignorance. Perfect. I love hearing you admit it. Dude, even a moderator closed your troll thread basically apologizing and then after coming back to serve me once again.
I have no issue admitting what I don't know. As for that it was an overreaction on my part. Everyone is ignorant at one point(actaully much more) in their lives. Yours is with the HP books, Star Wars EU, Star Wars canon since you don't consider the novelizations or official books or other docu,nets sense you can't see "see" the actions. Oh well your personal preference. It is getting rather late, I must retire for the night.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2So you admit to ignorance once again. I didn't ever state my opinion on the books you did on the films and conceded to me.
I have no issue admitting what I don't know. As for that it was an overreaction on my part. Everyone is ignorant at one point(actaully much more) in their lives. Yours is with the HP books, Star Wars EU, Star Wars canon since you don't consider the novelizations or official books or other docu,nets sense you can't see "see" the actions. Oh well your personal preference. It is getting rather late, I must retire for the night.
Eu doesnt count anymore, loser. Get over it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort still rose to power whereas Sauron didn't. Context matters.
Yet Sauron was still overwhelmingly more dangerous and threatening
Oh, and he didn't need a body to be ****ing badass (and much sexier than pale anorexic no nose), unlike Voldemort who leeches to other people's bodies and can't do shiz without gutless cowardly people who fear him out of hype
Voldemort lost due to the wand not being rightfully his whereas Sauron never even got the ring again.
Well you know, that and Sauron pretty much only lost because the Free Peoples trying to buy Frodo time and even then, only lost due to the most unlikeliest of things (Gollum just falling in), but again, never let the facts get in the way of a good story
Despite his massive army they marched it right into mordor.
As an all or nothing move to buy Frodo time, pretty much everyone was like "yeah nah, we're ****ed, but let's do it anyways, for the most unlikeliest of things"
Due to being outnumbered but they won despite the huge Orc army.
Every victory was fairly circumstantial
Sauron lost every major battle we practically see on screen including the one he was a part of.
Osgiliath disagrees with you
Facts. We see rocks taking them out. Laughable.
Rocks would hurt Voldemort and his pansies too
Uruk hai went down very easily and even their elite got his ass kicked by Aragorn. 😂
To the main cast, and lol at trying to use Aragorn as a low end showing
Some left yes but others also stayed.
Most of them fled because they're pansies
Azog's forces were routed in the end.
So?
Provide proof then in the films a major theme is people from middle earth are afraid to speak Sauron's name.
Sauron's barely referred to by name in the series for good reason, even by strong willed characters like Theoden, Boromir, Faramir, Eomer, etc
http://greenbooks.theonering.net/guest/files/050102.html
Wizards from both sides died but we didn't see them easily slaughtered at all like the villains from Lotr.
They ran like pansies because they suck
Even Sauron was easily killed by losing a few digits.
By one of the most powerful weapons in the verse
Context. You ignore it. The baby did nothing to protect itself. Voldemort also easily defeated Harry in a duel.
No he didn't
Did Sauron ever kill Isildur ?
He pwned Elendil and Gil-Galad
Still waiting for proof Sauron can't just vaporise Voldemort's staff
Voldemort would kill him not Bfr him. Voldemort can also apparate, sport. I also didn't make that claim. I said destroy, you illiterate ****.
Punting people across a continent>>>>>any attack in Harry Potter
Galadriel would one shot Voldemort
Originally posted by StealthRangerNo, he wasn't. I don't give a shit about your personal feminine opinion. I cite facts. Azog made demands of his master without a care in the world. We see Voldemort's men look down and are fearful in the moment of just interacting with him. Voldemort is much more feared in his films than Sauron is.
Yet Sauron was still overwhelmingly more dangerous and threateningOh, and he didn't need a body to be ****ing badass (and much sexier than pale anorexic no nose), unlike Voldemort who leeches to other people's bodies and can't do shiz without gutless cowardly people who fear him out of hype
Well you know, that and Sauron pretty much only lost because the Free Peoples trying to buy Frodo time and even then, only lost due to the most unlikeliest of things (Gollum just falling in), but again, never let the facts get in the way of a good story
As an all or nothing move to buy Frodo time, pretty much everyone was like "yeah nah, we're ****ed, but let's do it anyways, for the most unlikeliest of things"
Every victory was fairly circumstantial
Osgiliath disagrees with you
Rocks would hurt Voldemort and his pansies too
To the main cast, and lol at trying to use Aragorn as a low end showing
Most of them fled because they're pansies
So?
Sauron's barely referred to by name in the series for good reason, even by strong willed characters like Theoden, Boromir, Faramir, Eomer, etc
http://greenbooks.theonering.net/guest/files/050102.html
They ran like pansies because they suck
By one of the most powerful weapons in the verse
No he didn't
He pwned Elendil and Gil-Galad
Still waiting for proof Sauron can't just vaporise Voldemort's staff
Punting people across a continent>>>>>any attack in Harry Potter
Galadriel would one shot Voldemort
According to Sauron having a body mattered. His eye just blew up after the ring was destroyed. His body died when a few digits were cut off. 🙂
The facts are he did lose. You can say this about almost every situation. Lost of circumstances always defy the odds for the heroes to win in the end. Sauron was not very successful and lost over and over again. He never rose to power despite the size of his army.
It worked. Did the fellowship lose another man in that battle ? 😂
The same can be said every time a villain goes down in these multi layered films.
That battle they purposely lost. They knew they didn't leave enough men. The son of gondor still survived.
Voldemort would never get touched by the Rock and would put the hobbits out like an afterthought. A broken sword defeated Sauron. 💃
So you agree they were fodder to the main cast which is my point. You acted like he was impressive get the **** out of here. Azog was impressive but this guy was all hype. He got crushed.
Most of them didn't flee. Some of them left. You're a biased and ignorant poster.
So getting crushed doesn't matter to you. Way to go Sauron you lost another battle and in the end didn't achieve your goals.
So no proof they are afraid to name him in the films. So you lied. You're despicable.
Who ran like pansies ? A few left but the majority stayed. Voldemort reacquired his body and rose to power unlike Sauron. So you're saying Voldemort is even more impressive since he rose to power with pansies while Sauron lost with impressive forces. 😂
It wasn't that powerful just powerful enough to cut off some digits. Nothing impressive.
Disarming a wizard is winning a duel. Watch the films you ignorant fool.
Killing >>>not killing. Voldemort can teleport across a continent. Can Sauron ?
She didn't oneshot Sauron. Voldemort kills her with one killing curse. Proven. 😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he wasn't. I don't give a shit about your personal feminine opinion.
Aaaand already busting out the ad hominems
Sauron had things in the bag, he would have won in the end ring or not, the Free Peoples could only win some for a bit and one off "get out of jail free" cards
I cite facts. Azog made demands of his master without a care in the world. We see Voldemort's men look down and are fearful in the moment of just interacting with him.
You know, allowing your employees to question you simply makes you a better boss, because employees will want to work for him
As opposed to making threatening them and making teenagers perform things they'd never have the balls to act upon
Voldemort also had at least two double agents, and had several people defect from him, something Sauron never had. Oh, and Narcissa Malfoy lied to his face, Lucius begged Voldy to call off the attack so he could find his son to name a few things so try again
Actually, don't even bother, because it's not relevant in the slightest to who would win a fight
Voldemort is much more feared in his films than Sauron is.
Wrong
According to Sauron having a body mattered.
Wrong
His eye just blew up after the ring was destroyed.
When Voldemort died he just dissolved because he sucks as much balls as you
His body died when a few digits were cut off. 🙂
By one of the most powerful swords in the series
The facts are he did lose. You can say this about almost every situation. Lost of circumstances always defy the odds for the heroes to win in the end.
Voldemort lost because he had double agents and defectors
Sauron was not very successful and lost over and over again. He never rose to power despite the size of his army.
Voldemort wasn't very successful against anyone worth a shit
Ministry and their Aurors fell like flies after trying to propagate Voldemort wasn't back, had Death Eaters in their inner circles, and Lucius Malfoy's political donations and the resignation of one of their ministers. Even Scrimgeour was more concerned about publicity then effectiveness
Meanwhile he lost to a baby at his height and got killed by "da powur of wuv" touching him when he was a parasite (TPS), Lost when a wounded Harry destroyed his diary with a basilisk fang (CoS), tried to kill Harry and have nobody know he was back (GoF), got pwned by Dumbledore and fled when the Ministry showed up (OotP), lost the Battle of Hogwarts (TDH)
Seriously, are you trying to make yourself sound like a stupid hypocrite? #goodonedickhead
It worked. Did the fellowship lose another man in that battle ? 😂
Yes, the most unlikeliest of things worked, that's the point
That battle they purposely lost. They knew they didn't leave enough men. The son of gondor still survived.
Are you trying to say Gondor sabotaged their own chances at winning and decided "**** it" straight off the bat?
Voldemort would never get touched by the Rock and would put the hobbits out like an afterthought.
Hence why I said "if" he got hit by it
Voldemort couldn't even put out a teenager
A broken sword defeated Sauron. 💃
Most powerful magic sword in the verse, weilded by a guy who cursed an entire kingdom to be ghosts until they helped Gondor after they backflipped on their pledge to help Gondor fight
So you agree they were fodder to the main cast which is my point. You acted like he was impressive get the **** out of here.
They had a lot more quality than the humans and elves, barring one off "get out of jail free" cards like the army off the dead
Azog was impressive but this guy was all hype. He got crushed.
After killing Thrain and being Sauron lite, dominating Thorin for the most part
Most of them didn't flee. Some of them left. You're a biased and ignorant poster.
Most of them fled
So getting crushed doesn't matter to you. Way to go Sauron you lost another battle and in the end didn't achieve your goals.
Sauron has more to his name than Voldemort ever will
So no proof they are afraid to name him in the films. So you lied. You're despicable.
So you're going to ignore where the creator of the whole franchise got it from because "muh movies"? Good lord you're pathetic
Who ran like pansies ? A few left but the majority stayed.
The death eaters you god damn stooge
Voldemort reacquired his body and rose to power unlike Sauron.
Acquiring a body=/=rising to power or vice versa
So you're saying Voldemort is even more impressive since he rose to power with pansies while Sauron lost with impressive forces. 😂
Sauron rose to power and has things in the back with or without his body, which just more about how badass he is without a body
Unlike Voldemort who's minions never did anything worth of note while he was diminished (during which point he was a helpless parasite), except Wormtail, because he's as much of a vagina as you
It wasn't that powerful just powerful enough to cut off some digits. Nothing impressive.
Considering it was forged by powerful dwarven smiths and was a pretty big deal in the First Age of all times, refer to above point of "wielded by a guy who cursed a whole kingdom"
Disarming a wizard is winning a duel. Watch the films you ignorant fool.
Harry still>Voldemort tho
Killing >>>not killing. Voldemort can teleport across a continent. Can Sauron ?
What does teleporting have to do with this? We're talking bout punching someone across a continent being much more powerful than anything in HP. Try to stay on topic son
She didn't oneshot Sauron. Voldemort kills her with one killing curse. Proven. 😂
That doesn't mean Galadriel is weak, that just mean Sauron is strong, considering Voldemort has no durability feats that suggests he can be flung across a continent
Originally posted by StealthRangerHe didn't win. He didn't even get his body back. Coulda, woulda, shouldas won't get you anywhere. Deal in facts not what ifs, kid.
Aaaand already busting out the ad hominemsSauron had things in the bag, he would have won in the end ring or not, the Free Peoples could only win some for a bit and one off "get out of jail free" cards
You know, allowing your employees to question you simply makes you a better boss, because employees will want to work for him
As opposed to making threatening them and making teenagers perform things they'd never have the balls to act upon
Voldemort also had at least two double agents, and had several people defect from him, something Sauron never had. Oh, and Narcissa Malfoy lied to his face, Lucius begged Voldy to call off the attack so he could find his son to name a few things so try again
Actually, don't even bother, because it's not relevant in the slightest to who would win a fight
Wrong
Wrong
When Voldemort died he just dissolved because he sucks as much balls as you
By one of the most powerful swords in the series
Voldemort lost because he had double agents and defectors
Voldemort wasn't very successful against anyone worth a shit
Ministry and their Aurors fell like flies after trying to propagate Voldemort wasn't back, had Death Eaters in their inner circles, and Lucius Malfoy's political donations and the resignation of one of their ministers. Even Scrimgeour was more concerned about publicity then effectiveness
Meanwhile he lost to a baby at his height and got killed by "da powur of wuv" touching him when he was a parasite (TPS), Lost when a wounded Harry destroyed his diary with a basilisk fang (CoS), tried to kill Harry and have nobody know he was back (GoF), got pwned by Dumbledore and fled when the Ministry showed up (OotP), lost the Battle of Hogwarts (TDH)
Seriously, are you trying to make yourself sound like a stupid hypocrite? #goodonedickhead
Yes, the most unlikeliest of things worked, that's the point
Are you trying to say Gondor sabotaged their own chances at winning and decided "**** it" straight off the bat?
Hence why I said "if" he got hit by it
Voldemort couldn't even put out a teenager
Most powerful magic sword in the verse, weilded by a guy who cursed an entire kingdom to be ghosts until they helped Gondor after they backflipped on their pledge to help Gondor fight
They had a lot more quality than the humans and elves, barring one off "get out of jail free" cards like the army off the dead
After killing Thrain and being Sauron lite, dominating Thorin for the most part
Most of them fled
Sauron has more to his name than Voldemort ever will
So you're going to ignore where the creator of the whole franchise got it from because "muh movies"? Good lord you're pathetic
The death eaters you god damn stooge
Acquiring a body=/=rising to power or vice versa
Sauron rose to power and has things in the back with or without his body, which just more about how badass he is without a body
Unlike Voldemort who's minions never did anything worth of note while he was diminished (during which point he was a helpless parasite), except Wormtail, because he's as much of a vagina as you
Considering it was forged by powerful dwarven smiths and was a pretty big deal in the First Age of all times, refer to above point of "wielded by a guy who cursed a whole kingdom"
Harry still>Voldemort tho
What does teleporting have to do with this? We're talking bout punching someone across a continent being much more powerful than anything in HP. Try to stay on topic son
That doesn't mean Galadriel is weak, that just mean Sauron is strong, considering Voldemort has no durability feats that suggests he can be flung across a continent
It also makes you a weak boss. Azog failed. He got his shot at Thorin and failed. Sauron and his men failed throughout the films and never rose to power. What's worse is he let his own incompetent men disrespect him. Voldemort was a lot more feared than Sauron as well as a lot more successful since he actually rose to power unlike Sauron.
Voldemort killed Snape. Voldemort was successful and the men who followed him were well educated and weren't mindless orcs who killed themselves and sometimes disagreed in the films.
I already supported why. They didn't fear to speak Sauron's name. You have no evidence.
So Sauron wasn't after reacquiring a body ? Watch the films.
When the final piece of him died. Sauron wasn't even there in battle but was killed because a damn hobbit ended him. Poor irrelevant evil overlord wasn't even there.
Prove it was one of the most powerful. It was legendary because of the feat but not because of its power. Watch the films.
Incorrect. He lost because he was unaware the elder wand wasn't his to use. He wasn't all knowing nor are 99.99 percent of characters. Sauron couldn't even find his own ring.
😂
Context. The baby had protective magic. Voldemort also easily defeated Harry in a duel and that's when Albus intervened. The battle of hogwarts was called off because he wanted Harry to meet him. That's the entire point of attacking hogwarts. Understand the films. Voldemort wasn't going to take on over 20 wizards with Albus himself there. Sauron lost to one guy on his backside with a broken magical sword.
💃
So they didn't hence highlighting the ineptitude of Sauron's forces.
I am saying the king wasn't in his right state of mind and didn't send ep adequate sources. Understand the scene you dimwit.
The teenagers had massive help. Context. He easily defeated Harry in a duel.
Prove it is the most powerful sword in the verse.
Albus the Aurors, and the ministry would stomp a mud hole in what Sauron's force faced.
Azog was the most impressive Orc but he failed in every major battle he was a part of.
Most of them didn't flee. We see a small amount flee. Do you know what majority means ?
Sauron doesn't have more to his name. He was a servant to Morgoth. Stated right in the film. Voldemort was the darkest wizard in the Potterverse while Sauron was a servant to someone else. 😂
The films are different you dimwit. It is also against the rules. You are so pathetic.
A very small number of them. We see orcs flee in battle as well various times.
I know it doesn't but they both wanted to reacquired a body and rise to power. Sauron failed in both aspects.
Sauron never rose to power as people, elves, etc. always defied him. He never sacked anything and was always defeated. Truth hurts.
Film feats. It was crushed by a boot. Cutting his digits isn't impressive.
Voldemort was always far greater than Harry and the movies beat that into us. Harry had aid and crazy circumstances to survive.
It was not a punch she knocked his spirit form across a continent. We see a physical Sauron can't survive losing a few digits. We also see Voldemort flying into structures while flying and getting up in a physical body.
Sauron was defeated but he only beat Gandalf the grey so that isn't impressive considering what he's up against.