Originally posted by Wei PhoenixWith PIS in play maybe.
Even if it were to KO he's not beating him with just a sword and shield. Wolverine is too durable, strong and a much better fighter. He could just tank through a shield bash or sword lunge just to stab him.
Link has a wide margin strength advantage and superior combat speed, and his M.O. is to fight dirty and abuse advantages, it's an enforced trope with Zelda games. shrug
With normal victory stips Logan is significantly easier to deal with.
Since we're finally getting some Comic V.S. attention: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=576568&highlight=Dante
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Wolverine is not too strong for Link, Link is much stronger than him, nor is he too durable.His regen is going to be hella tough though.
He takes punches and beatings from class 100s all the time and keeps on going. His durability and healing is going to make it extremely hard for him to get knocked down.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
With PIS in play maybe.Link has a wide margin strength advantage and superior combat speed, and his M.O. is to fight dirty and abuse advantages, it's an enforced trope with Zelda games. shrug
With normal victory stips Logan is significantly easier to deal with.
Since we're finally getting some Comic V.S. attention: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=576568&highlight=Dante
And Wolverine doesn't fight dirty? Strength is hardly the deciding factors in his fights. One wrong move and Link loses an arm, Wolverine is a significantly more skilled fighter.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixHis durability varies widely. Spider-Man is not the only sub Class 100 to KO Wolverine. Spider-Woman has done it twice, IIRC. Mister X has beaten him up, then his bodyguard KO'd him, though he did have super strength.
He takes punches and beatings from class 100s all the time and keeps on going. His durability and healing is going to make it extremely hard for him to get knocked down.And Wolverine doesn't fight dirty? Strength is hardly the deciding factors in his fights. One wrong move and Link loses an arm, Wolverine is a significantly more skilled fighter.
IIRC he's been KO'd by being shot before. That's lowballing, but yeah.
Link is plenty strong enough to KO an average Logan, and he's good enough to BFR him or drop something heavy on him. The to the death stip drags the fight out, possibly over days.
Average Wolverine is brick slaying and taking Wolverine though. He's been that way for years. They aren't high showings, they are average showings. For each instance of weaker punches and strength taking him down I can find 3 more instances of him taking much stronger. Link would have to punch him for hours to knock out average showings Wolverine.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Average Wolverine is brick slaying and taking Wolverine though. He's been that way for years. They aren't high showings, they are average showings. For each instance of weaker punches and strength taking him down I can find 3 more instances of him taking much stronger. Link would have to punch him for hours to knock out average showings Wolverine.
I admittedly lost interest in Logan years ago, but what I can recall doesn't seem to be so clean cut.
Logan's durability depends entirely on who he's fighting, and is largely susceptible to For The Plot (tm), which is one thing that tends to irk me about comic book fights. Things that should not be fights at all, are. Anyway, I'm a little off topic.
Link's stamina is nearly as lulzy as Logan's, with MM Link repeating the same 3 days ad nauseum without sleep, sans the ToC, I do not doubt that TP Link could punch Logan for hours if it were needed (Why punch, I dunno, but hey). I don't think it would for a KO, but the real problem with the thread we're in right now is this:
"K, Wolverine has been KO'd, now what?"
I have no idea what it takes currently to kill Wolverine, I know that what's brought him back in the past is out of the picture now, but that doesn't make this clean cut, either. Say Link takes a moment to scratch his head. Wolverine gets back up. They do it over, now Link just keeps stabbing him and stabbing him and stabbing him.
Three days later, where's the fight? Is Link still stabbing him? Is Wolverine still healing? Link sets something heavy on Wolverine, Wolverine's still alive. By this thread's stips Link hasn't won yet.
So the real question in my mind is, what does it take to kill Logan, right now?
Sure his durability has been up and down between a few issues but once again, on average and since we're using average showings Wolverine then his durability is able to tank class 100 punches and keeps going.
Wolverine is too skilled to lose this fight even with KO stipulations. He's fought teams of super powers and won or stalemated them, he's fought bricks well beyond his strength and Link's and won. He's too smart, what's stopping him from cutting the lights (assuming that the place is illuminated by artificial light) and using stealth to just kill him? He has his Berserker Rage, sword skills, H2H skills. It's not going to be some easy cakewalk for Link to hit him if Wolverine wants to dodge avoid certain hits. I'm still wondering how he knocks him out? Blunt force or stabbing him?
Easiest way to kill him lately is via Muramasa Blade.
Wolverine is too skilled to lose this fight even with KO stipulations.Disagreed on this, in a forum fight without PIS involved I don't think he can win a straight up brawl due to Link's superior physical stats, you're right to suggest this:
what's stopping him from cutting the lights (assuming that the place is illuminated by artificial light) and using stealth to just kill him? He has his Berserker Rage, sword skills, H2H skills.
But by the time Wolverine gets back from smashing all the lights or the fuse box or whatever Link just rips off a wall.
We seem to disagree on where Wolverine's average is, but let's get to this:
Easiest way to kill him lately is via Muramasa Blade.
This I know, but it's not here, and the fight is to the death, so do we know, beyond that, what it takes to kill Logan in terms of just beating him senseless? If Link gets Logan down and just starts hacking at him, three days later does Logan still count as 'alive'?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Disagreed on this, in a forum fight without PIS involved I don't think he can win a straight up brawl due to Link's superior physical stats, you're right to suggest this:But by the time Wolverine gets back from smashing all the lights or the fuse box or whatever Link just rips off a wall.
We seem to disagree on where Wolverine's average is, but let's get to this:
This I know, but it's not here, and the fight is to the death, so do we know, beyond that, what it takes to kill Logan in terms of just beating him senseless? If Link gets Logan down and just starts hacking at him, three days later does Logan still count as 'alive'?
Link is not stronger than Colossus, Thing, Ms. Marvel, Gladiator and so on. Wolverine has beaten people in straight up brawls stronger than Link yet he can't beat Link in a straight brawl even though he's more skilled and durable?
Link takes his eyes off of Wolverine then he's dead. The guy snuck up on Tony Stark, stealth is no problem for him.
If you think Wolverine tanking Hulk level blows isn't an average for him then let's settle it. Show an instance of where he was downed by lesser force easily and I'll show two exapmles of him taking higher for each one. He debuted tanking Hulk punches. Class 100 punches are the norm, not Spider-Man level. Handbooks and Marvel supported bios give him the highest rating for durabilty yet you still think he's less durable on average?
How does he knock him out? He starts swinging at Wolverine then he loses an arm. Wolverine doesn't win because he can't be knocked out, he wins because he's better and has a superior powerset. He's a brick slayer.