Ravenna (Universal movie) vs. Zant

Started by quanchi11228 pages

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you have nothing? Those are feats for the ToP, which is bested by the Master Sword. That's far from it's only ability, are you dense? Also, while you're looking at that sword, note it can overpower the ToP, as well as the completed triforce.

Kryptonite is irrelevant, stop bringing it up since it is nothing like the Master Sword.

Link is stronger than Fyrus.

I explained it. The world of Zelda is of balance. Master sword balances out powerful top. It counters it. Dispelled the magic which is its function. It doesn't overpower magic it dispels it.

You are avoiding the word dispels and replacing it with overpowered. Book never says overpowered it says dispels. 😂

No, he needs the boots which the game makes clear is cheating.

"Zelda = Balance!" So your speculating and using metaphors. If you weighed the power of the Master Sword against the power of a single piece of the triforce the scale would break under the Sword's weight. The completed Triforce would be almost as heavy.

Also, the only thing the Master Sword is ever directly compared to is the completed triforc,e not the triforce of power. IE, if it's to balance anything, it's the triforce, which it is as powerful as.

Link is stronger than Fyrus. His shoes do not make him stronger.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
"Zelda = Balance!" So your speculating and using metaphors. If you weighed the power of the Master Sword against the power of a single piece of the triforce the scale would break under the Sword's weight. The completed Triforce would be almost as heavy.

Also, the only thing the Master Sword is ever directly compared to is the completed triforc,e not the triforce of power. IE, if it's to balance anything, it's the triforce, which it is as powerful as.

Link is stronger than Fyrus. His shoes do not make him stronger.

Taken directly from the game....

What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first passed the curtain of twilight. It is an evil power. Our world is one of balance... Just as there is light to drive away darkness, so, too, is there benevolence to banish evil. Head for the sacred grove that lies deep within the lands guarded by the spirit Faron.

Balances evil which it does. It counters or dispels.

Link needs the boots to have the necessary weight to do so.

I've seen it, you're quoting a Zelda game, the great part is that it doesn't actually prove anything except that the Master Sword can dispel magic. Which we knew. Here's the part you're trying to deny: The Sword can do this because of how powerful it is.

And the boots do not make him stronger. If you put Spiderman in those boots he could not overpower Fyrus. Link is stronger than Fyrus.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've seen it, you're quoting a Zelda game, the great part is that it doesn't actually prove anything except that the Master Sword can dispel magic. Which we knew. Here's the part you're trying to deny: The Sword can do this because of how powerful it is.

And the boots do not make him stronger. If you put Spiderman in those boots he could not overpower Fyrus. Link is stronger than Fyrus.

The game clearly states Hyrule is a land of balance. Now you want to ignore it and pretend it overpowers magic just because you say so without proof.

Sword balances evil. Says nothing about overpowering it, kid.

Boots gave him weight necessary to cheat and compete. Spider man wouldn't need the boots. 😆

Zelda says that Hyrule is a Land of balance, that there's dark and light and good and evil, this has nothing to do with the relative power of the Master Sword.

Sword is 'the benevolence to banish evil'. It is not 'the benevolence that is less powerful than the Triforce of Power'. Ergo your point holds no water.

Spider-Man couldn't overpower Fyrus.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zelda says that Hyrule is a Land of balance, that there's dark and light and good and evil, this has nothing to do with the relative power of the Master Sword.

Sword is 'the benevolence to banish evil'. It is not 'the benevolence that is less powerful than the Triforce of Power'. Ergo your point holds no water.

Spider-Man couldn't overpower Fyrus.

It is talked about in the same paragraph as the master sword and its purpose.

What binds him is a different magic than what transformed him when he first passed the curtain of twilight. It is an evil power. Our world is one of balance... Just as there is light to drive away darkness, so, too, is there benevolence to banish evil. Head for the sacred grove that lies deep within the lands guarded by the spirit Faron.

You haven't proven it is more powerful you just say it is.

HH says dispel not overpower. They don't mean the same thing.

😂

With ease.

"The Master Sword banishes evil, here's where you can find it"

I actually have. It neutralizes the completed triforce in aLttP. Your move. (I'm betting your move is to ignore this fact)

How to dispel something more powerful than yourself?

I lol'd. No, he could not.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
"The Master Sword banishes evil, here's where you can find it"

I actually have. It neutralizes the completed triforce in aLttP. Your move. (I'm betting your move is to ignore this fact)

How to dispel something more powerful than yourself?

I lol'd. No, he could not.

Yes, I agree the master sword can dissipate or dispel magic so why would I have a problem with that ? You just think greater power and greater strength applies to everything. It's silly and Stone Age.

That's its function just how k-nite weakens Superman despite being less powerful. By your logic mirror overpowers top so it doesn't have one magical resistance feat. 😂

He could easily while dancing all over him. He's beaten the Hulk for crying out loud. 😆

No, it's how things work.

You're bringing up Kryptonite again, which works for a completely different reason, ergo, irrelevant. And no, my logic is simple: The Master Sword shows itself to be > ToP so it is > ToP

Show me Spider-Man overpowering the Hulk. haermm Your claim is that Spider-Man is stronger than Fyrus, prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link needed and overpowered the horse. That was essential so you're really arguing with the game itself.
I don't think so but either way they are out.

Link has superhuman strength with regard to human beings but not to the level in which you're describing. Gear is required for the feats. No, one can do so on their own while one needs gear to do so making it a gear shared feat.
Did you still not watch the scene yet ?
Zant is attacked while he focuses on Ravenna who can heal quite impressively.
He controlled it or created it with magic we never see him maintain control outside his own magic which he clearly controls. It's like Voldemort controlling his own giant fire snake and saying he controls all fire. That's incorrect just like its incorrect here. I can't believe an entire group of people subscribe to this nonsense.
Pierce him with the dark matter just like a sword can pierce him.
Her heart was also stabbed and she easily shrugged it off. Seriously, you don't watch a short movie but argue away out of bias. It's annoying.
There's only one reason why twilight worked in Hyrule which isn't really applicable here. Always been the case.

Actually going by the very game; when Link if faced with a charging creature he needs to overpower, he gets in a stance and braces for impact then uses his strength to throw the creature down or to the side. Did so with the goats and Gorons (even before the Boots). When Epona charged at him he dived to the side to avoid this 'overpower' situation. And when did he need to do so with Epona? All Link had to do to calm Epona was to hold on to her long enough for her to settle down, no strength involved besides gripping on.

Well similar speed feats to her summons and being able to tank bombs to the face (character statement) would say so.

The fact remains that Link's arms have this superhuman strength. Say what you will about needing an anchor, his arm strength is still there. What I don't get is how you say its not to the level we say when the only thing you have against it is the gear needed, which doesn't take away the actual strength.
Starting to believe that the reason you avoid saying yes or no all those times Scream asked if the boots give him strength if because you know that they're only needed for a charged momentum, and that Link's arm strength is all his own.

Sadly it was a Ravenna focused video and only briefly showed the summons attacking people. So, flight, range, grapples?

Does that mean their speed is peak human?

Also what is the counter to him, using force pushes/TK and teleporting?

So him creating it means the fact that he kicked the rock like that means nothing? If that were the case the acid wouldn't have harmed him, if it was fully in his control. The only reason it did is because he made a real area, just like the Goron arena. I take it they have no strength feats near this?
..or to match his durability? He's taking hits from a Link thrown Ball&Chain, high durability.

Okay so she survived a stab. Can she keep it up over several hits, or when a limb is cut off? Different levels of regen/survivability to consider here, to say nothing about being crushed. "What does surviving fire have to do with drowning, being in corrosive acid or lava?"
It would be no issue if you were capable of posting feats, its not my fault you refuse and even now I have not stated that Zant will win. Also, what would you consider a person who only seems to be making or posting in threads against LoZ? :T

Yeah, the constant resistance from the Light Spirits/sacred light which and whom are not present to resist in this thread. That, and Shadow Crystals which do the exact same thing but are not made of Twilight and needs further magic resistance (the Master Sword).

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it's how things work.

You're bringing up Kryptonite again, which works for a completely different reason, ergo, irrelevant. And no, my logic is simple: The Master Sword shows itself to be > ToP so it is > ToP

Show me Spider-Man overpowering the Hulk. haermm Your claim is that Spider-Man is stronger than Fyrus, prove it.

The quote makes it clear its supposed to balance things out and was created to defeat evil.

By your logic the mirror also showed it was greater than the top since it defeated Dorf.

Spider-Man beat him. Hulk is vastly stronger than any Goron to the point of hilarity.

The Triforce grants wishes to those who touch it. Since the Triforce does not distinguish between good or evil, it allows both good and bad wishes.

The triforce is not evil, the quote you're misusing doesn't even support what you're arguing.

Do not attempt to use 'my logic' until you understand what that phrase means, or what my logic actually is. That was indirect, and did not interact with the ToP.

Spider-Man did not overpower him then. AKA your original claim, that Spider-Man could overpower Fyrus, goes unsupported.

The Mirror beating him is comparable to a log beating a person that trips over it. Also the same as a weaker character beating a stronger one without overpowering them with power or strength. How Dorf and Tom died are examples of this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The Mirror beating him is comparable to a log beating a person that trips over it. Also the same as a weaker character beating a stronger one without overpowering them with power or strength. How Dorf and Tom died are examples of this.
I am applying Pastes logic because he says magic only works against magic if it overpowers it but conveniently says nuh uh in this instance.

I agree the stronger character doesn't always win. It's pastes obsession with power which makes me mock his logic.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The Triforce grants wishes to those who touch it. Since the Triforce does not distinguish between good or evil, it allows both good and bad wishes.

The triforce is not evil, the quote you're [b]misusing doesn't even support what you're arguing.

Do not attempt to use 'my logic' until you understand what that phrase means, or what my logic actually is. That was indirect, and did not interact with the ToP.

Spider-Man did not overpower him then. AKA your original claim, that Spider-Man could overpower Fyrus, goes unsupported. [/B]

Nothing to do with this game. 😆

The user is evil so the master sword balances out the equation here.

Hulk is vastly stronger than Fyrus and Spider-Man showed the strength to best him. SpiderMan bests this chump too. Hyrule is weak.

Your logic is stupidity and bias.

Except that it does, and it punches a hole in your argument.

So if Tony Stark was evil it could turn off his armour?

So you can't support your own claim. Good.

And yet you can't seem to best it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am applying Pastes logic because he says magic only works against magic if it overpowers it but conveniently says nuh uh in this instance.

I agree the stronger character doesn't always win. It's pastes obsession with power which makes me mock his logic.


Except that in the non-technical, BFR sense, that attack did not defeat him in 'ass handed to him' way.

So if it was anything other than a BFR whatever they did would not be too effective, nor would it, like with the Mirror, take him out.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Except that it does, and it punches a hole in your argument.

So if Tony Stark was evil it could turn off his armour?

So you can't support your own claim. Good.

And yet you can't seem to best it.

It dispels magic not technology so no it wouldn't.

Yes, it does your brain can't critical think.

I can't get a slow Person to grasp but its there.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And I'm sure I can count on you to prove that, right? You know, even though exploding him from inside out did nothing to him. haermm
He died. But if you want to harp on it he was beaten either way. 😂