Ravenna (Universal movie) vs. Zant

Started by quanchi11228 pages

Originally posted by BloodRain
Except that in the non-technical, BFR sense, that attack did not defeat him in 'ass handed to him' way.

So if it was anything other than a BFR whatever they did would not be too effective, nor would it, like with the Mirror, take him out.

It defeated him to the point he needed to be resurrected in Hyrule again.

Bfr is all needed to defeat him so who cares. 😆

Originally posted by BloodRain
Actually going by the very game; when Link if faced with a charging creature he needs to overpower, he gets in a stance and braces for impact then uses his strength to throw the creature down or to the side. Did so with the goats and Gorons (even before the Boots). When Epona charged at him he dived to the side to avoid this 'overpower' situation. And when did he need to do so with Epona? All Link had to do to calm Epona was to hold on to her long enough for her to settle down, no strength involved besides gripping on.

Well similar speed feats to her summons and being able to tank bombs to the face (character statement) would say so.

The fact remains that Link's arms have this superhuman strength. Say what you will about needing an anchor, his arm strength is still there. What I don't get is how you say its not to the level we say when the only thing you have against it is the gear needed, which doesn't take away the actual strength.
Starting to believe that the reason you avoid saying yes or no all those times Scream asked if the boots give him strength if because you know that they're only needed for a charged momentum, and that Link's arm strength is all his own.

Sadly it was a Ravenna focused video and only briefly showed the summons attacking people. So, flight, range, grapples?

Does that mean their speed is peak human?

Also what is the counter to him, using force pushes/TK and teleporting?

So him creating it means the fact that he kicked the rock like that means nothing? If that were the case the acid wouldn't have harmed him, if it was fully in his control. The only reason it did is because he made a real area, just like the Goron arena. I take it they have no strength feats near this?
..or to match his durability? He's taking hits from a Link thrown Ball&Chain, high durability.

Okay so she survived a stab. Can she keep it up over several hits, or when a limb is cut off? Different levels of regen/survivability to consider here, to say nothing about being crushed. "What does surviving fire have to do with drowning, being in corrosive acid or lava?"
It would be no issue if you were capable of posting feats, its not my fault you refuse and even now I have not stated that Zant will win. Also, what would you consider a person who only seems to be making or posting in threads against LoZ? :T

Yeah, the constant resistance from the Light Spirits/sacred light which and whom are not present to resist in this thread. That, and Shadow Crystals which do the exact same thing but are not made of Twilight and needs further magic resistance (the Master Sword).

I am glad you brought up the goats. He is strong enough to stop them under his own strength. That's all Link unlike the Gorons. If Link doesn't overpower her he's thrown off iirc.

Still doesnt have the healing she does. Ravenna survives a stab to the heart whereas Zant dies to an inside the body attack. Pretty simple.

Link isn't strong enough in his own to stop their momentum just lift the dead weight after the boots accomplish part 1 of said feat.

He controls his magic. He can't do so to things outside his own magic. Ravenna uses her dark matter soldiers due to it being her own magic not her able to do so to any substance. Same concept.

Gameplay mechanic with the ball and chain.

She survived letting her entire body being burned and quite easily. She heals from cuts, heart stabs, and burning. It's also stated Snow White is the only one who can kill her. She's also healed her brother before. I don't see why not since she's easily healed from all damage other than Snow White which was her counter. Not saying she is limitless but that her soldiers and her kill Zant before they are achieved. She can also turn into birds or whatever and fly.

It's a short movie. Rent it. Not my job.

Irrelevant to the thread and you're still forcing Hyrules rules on this thread. Twilight only works in Hyrule due to world of balance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He died. But if you want to harp on it he was beaten either way. 😂
Strange how lively he seemed immediately after it happened.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Strange how lively he seemed immediately after it happened.
He was dead. Dorf can resurrect him but he was clearly defeated.

And yet it's not good enough to count as a KO.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And yet it's not good enough to count as a KO.
Yes, it is.

Prove it.

No, it isn't. He was never so much as incapacitated by something Ravenna cannot replicate.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it isn't. He was never so much as incapacitated by something Ravenna cannot replicate.
He didn't even receive any external body damage there and that's a no limit fallacy. He can clearly be stabbed. Her troops kill him.

Not a no limit fallacy, and good for them, those troops that get turned into squirrells and tk'd across the room along with Ravenna, lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not a no limit fallacy, and good for them, those troops that get turned into squirrells and tk'd across the room along with Ravenna, lol.
Zant's magic has never turned anything into a squirrel. Making stuff up again and Ravenna can change form. 😂

Her troops butcher him all the same.

Good thing Zant's transformation power is a curse that needs to be broken before she can change back, something she cannot do. She stays a squirrel.

Before or after Zant's turned them all into party favours?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Good thing Zant's transformation power is a curse that needs to be broken before she can change back, something she cannot do. She stays a squirrel.

Before or after Zant's turned them all into party favours?

Only works when world is out of balance in Hyrule. Has no place in a neutral fight.

Never done so either so baseless claim and she can change forms herself.

He's dead. Soldiers are too fast.

I lol'd. Prove this, please, go ahead and prove that Zelda saying 'this is a world of balance' means that Zant can't use his shown powers in a forum battle.

It is not baseless, that is exactly how the curse works in TP.

So the soldiers are all party favours.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I lol'd. Prove this, please, go ahead and prove that Zelda saying 'this is a world of balance' means that Zant can't use his shown powers in a forum battle.

It is not baseless, that is exactly how the curse works in TP.

So the soldiers are all party favours.

Zant's powers only work because Hyrule is imbalanced. That's the whole reason it stays until the balance is restored. 😂

Due to specific events not happening here.

Soldiers kill the weak.

Zants powers work because they were given to him by Ganondorf.

No, because that is how the magic works. She can't break the curse so she can't change back.

Soldiers are the weak.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Zants powers work because they were given to him by Ganondorf.

No, because that is how the magic works. She can't break the curse so she can't change back.

Soldiers are the weak.

Dorf needed him as much as he needed him. They only work because world was unbalanced. That's stated in the game.

That is how the magic works. You don't grasp it.

Hyrule soldiers are that's for sure.

😂

Problem: The world was only unbalanced because those powers worked. Ergo, the world being unbalanced cannot be a condition to them working. Dur.

She can't break the curse.

Ravenna's can't do shit, lol. Neither can she.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Problem: The world was only unbalanced because those powers worked. Ergo, the world being unbalanced [b]cannot be a condition to them working. Dur.

She can't break the curse.

Ravenna's can't do shit, lol. Neither can she. [/B]

All worlds don't function like Hyrule.

The curse doesn't work in a neutral setting.

She can change form and has conquered kingdoms and lived 20 lives whereas Dorf gets wrecked everytime.

Good thing Hyrule functions like Hyrule.

Prove this. The quote does not say anything like that, in fact it says almost nothing about the setting itself. It says that there is good and evil, go get the Master Sword. Nothing more.

And yet she has nothing featwise that lets her survive a confrontation with Zant as anything more than a pet.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Good thing Hyrule functions like Hyrule.

Prove this. The quote does not say anything like that, in fact it says almost nothing about the setting itself. It says that there is good and evil, go get the Master Sword. Nothing more.

And yet she has nothing featwise that lets her survive a confrontation with Zant as anything more than a pet.

I agree only works in Hyrule.

The event which makes this possible says it. Do you know anything ? Different part of game.

Kills him. Unlike Zant she isn't a pawn.