Originally posted by ScreamPasteSays a world of balance. You can't ignore it. Sword balances out evil.
I understand it perfectly. She tells Link there is evil and also good, and to go get the sword. Nothing more.No.
Concession accepted.
Midna is an imp. Ravenna is a fish.
Yes.
You conceded.
Ravenna can change shape unlike Midna. 😂
Originally posted by ScreamPasteCorrelates balance to ms sword negating evil. Correlates balance to world being draped in twilight.
Which means nothing. She does not correlate balance to anything. You're misusing the quote.No.
No.
Not without breaking the curse, which she cannot do. She's a fish.
Yes.
Yes.
Curse only works in these worlds since events need to take place to enact them. She can change shape.
Misusing a quote and pretending it means anything concerning how the world works. Ganon's power unbalanced the world, Ganon's power therefore works while the world is balanced. Ganon's power fuels Zant's power. Zant's powers work. This is simple, linear logic.
No.
No, lol. There's no event necessary for Zant to turn someone into a fish or drop a twilight field, and you can't prove that there is. She can't change back without breaking the curse, which she cannot do. Zant wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It defeated him to the point he needed to be resurrected in Hyrule again.
Bfr is all needed to defeat him so who cares.
May as well bring up Supes losing to K-nite in a thread without any in it. Means nothing if that method cannot be accessed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am glad you brought up the goats. He is strong enough to stop them under his own strength. That's all Link unlike the Gorons. If Link doesn't overpower her he's thrown off iirc.
Still doesnt have the healing she does. Ravenna survives a stab to the heart whereas Zant dies to an inside the body attack. Pretty simple.
Link isn't strong enough in his own to stop their momentum just lift the dead weight after the boots accomplish part 1 of said feat.
He controls his magic. He can't do so to things outside his own magic. Ravenna uses her dark matter soldiers due to it being her own magic not her able to do so to any substance. Same concept.
Gameplay mechanic with the ball and chain.
She survived letting her entire body being burned and quite easily. She heals from cuts, heart stabs, and burning. It's also stated Snow White is the only one who can kill her. She's also healed her brother before. I don't see why not since she's easily healed from all damage other than Snow White which was her counter. Not saying she is limitless but that her soldiers and her kill Zant before they are achieved. She can also turn into birds or whatever and fly.
It's a short movie. Rent it. Not my job.
Irrelevant to the thread and you're still forcing Hyrules rules on this thread. Twilight only works in Hyrule due to world of balance.
Is that in response to the summons? If so, why are you bringing that up? And anyhow, is that the saving grace? Zant having every physical and magical advantage, but her healing from a stab means everything?
Basically "Link has the strength to lift their dead weight" Yes, so Link has powerful arms which is a strength feat.. Adding in him throwing them, feat+1.
"So, flight, range, grapples?" "Does that mean their speed is peak human?" Could just conclude that they have peak speed with none of the first three things if theres no response to it.
Prove that he can't. Show me even one thing that suggests he doesn't actually have this strength. Prove that he's controlling things after making them, one that goes against the fact that "the acid wouldn't have harmed him if it was fully in his control".
Canon and single way to defeat Blizzeta is to smack it across the room with the Ball&Chain. By blindly jumping on the remark DDM said you've missed the difference between random hits to canon methods required to win. Which is the same for defeating Zant.
Its impressive but there's a difference from surviving fire to acid. It could be argued for similar damage at best, though I'd hold something thats basically like liquid-fire covering her to be worse than standing in fire, one that isn't catching on her. Lava would be worse. And it still means nothing for her drowning, unless she doesn't need to breathe.
Hypothetical situation; Zant severs her arm or head from her body, or crushes her whole body in his giant form. What would happen to her (Just assume that for whatever reason he can and does do this)? Did see, a good defensive pseudo-flight.
Then don't back up your claims and stop moaning about this. :T
Not really. Spirits are the only thing resisting, and they aren't here to resist. So nothings stopping the Twilight users from bringing it out. Oh, and you completely missed this; "Shadow Crystals which do the exact same thing but are not made of Twilight" which Zant also controls as either fog or implanting a crystal. Doesn't need twilight for these two.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteDorfs power was amped by their hatred so without the hate amp wasn't going down. 😆
Misusing a quote and pretending it means anything concerning how the world works. Ganon's power unbalanced the world, Ganon's power therefore works while the world is balanced. Ganon's power fuels Zant's power. Zant's powers work. This is simple, linear logic.No.
No, lol. There's no event necessary for Zant to turn someone into a fish or drop a twilight field, and you can't prove that there is. She can't change back without breaking the curse, which she cannot do. Zant wins.
Yes.
Needs to do so in a place where world is unbalanced. The curse only can take effect when the world is unbalanced.
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Originally posted by BloodRainI just stated a fact. Bfr can easily work against Dorf.
And for all the threads that you've brought up BFR beating him, in how many did the characters have the means to BFR?May as well bring up Supes losing to K-nite in a thread without any in it. Means nothing if that method cannot be accessed.
Way to bring up Link's weight vs the Gorons which has nothing to do with the topic. Goat charging at him? Braces to stop it. Goron rolling at him? Braces to stop it. Epona running at him? Dodges. If Link gets ready to stop both a large goat and a large, rocky, feared, larger than a horse, stone-crushing Goron but not Epona, what does that tell you?
What game were you playing? Link doesn't overpower her 😐 he literally just hangs on to the reigns until she calms down, doesn't even pull on them.Is that in response to the summons? If so, why are you bringing that up? And anyhow, is that the saving grace? Zant having every physical and magical advantage, but her healing from a stab means everything?
Basically "Link has the strength to lift their dead weight" Yes, so Link has powerful arms which is a strength feat.. Adding in him throwing them, feat+1.
"So, flight, range, grapples?" "Does that mean their speed is peak human?" Could just conclude that they have peak speed with none of the first three things if theres no response to it.
Prove that he can't. Show me even one thing that suggests he doesn't actually have this strength. Prove that he's controlling things after making them, one that goes against the fact that "the acid wouldn't have harmed him if it was fully in his control".
Canon and single way to defeat Blizzeta is to smack it across the room with the Ball&Chain. By blindly jumping on the remark DDM said you've missed the difference between random hits to canon methods required to win. Which is the same for defeating Zant.Its impressive but there's a difference from surviving fire to acid. It could be argued for similar damage at best, though I'd hold something thats basically like liquid-fire covering her to be worse than standing in fire, one that isn't catching on her. Lava would be worse. And it still means nothing for her drowning, unless she doesn't need to breathe.
Hypothetical situation; Zant severs her arm or head from her body, or crushes her whole body in his giant form. What would happen to her (Just assume that for whatever reason he can and does do this)? Did see, a good defensive pseudo-flight.Then don't back up your claims and stop moaning about this. :T
Not really. Spirits are the only thing resisting, and they aren't here to resist. So nothings stopping the Twilight users from bringing it out. Oh, and you completely missed this; "Shadow Crystals which do the exact same thing but are not made of Twilight" which Zant also controls as either fog or implanting a crystal. Doesn't need twilight for these two.
Yes, it does. His weight and strength does matter. But I will this as a concession since you don't want to discuss it. He did overpower her and or you get tossed off. 😂
Zant died just by force while her counter magic ie Snow White worked. So based off of this Ravenna is superior to Zant.
Link can lift dead weight but can't resist them without his boots otherwise. That's a fact. 😄
No such thing as a category IMO. Faster than Zant that is for sure.
It's common sense since the feats only take place when he controls his own magical environments.
Gear is needed which is why it isn't just a link feat. Not even in this thread so drop it.
You'd need to prove it since she healed from everything and was clearly stated Snow White was the only person who could kill her. She saved her brother as well.
She heals and her soldiers kill Zant. Force can easily kill him as proven by Midna.
Spirits are the reason it takes place. Without them it doesn't take place.
World needs to be imbalanced to do so.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just stated a fact. Bfr can easily work against Dorf.
Yes, it does. His weight and strength does matter. But I will this as a concession since you don't want to discuss it. He did overpower her and or you get tossed off.
Zant died just by force while her counter magic ie Snow White worked. So based off of this Ravenna is superior to Zant.
Link can lift dead weight but can't resist them without his boots otherwise. That's a fact.
No such thing as a category IMO. Faster than Zant that is for sure.
It's common sense since the feats only take place when he controls his own magical environments.
Gear is needed which is why it isn't just a link feat. Not even in this thread so drop it.
You'd need to prove it since she healed from everything and was clearly stated Snow White was the only person who could kill her. She saved her brother as well.
She heals and her soldiers kill Zant. Force can easily kill him as proven by Midna.
Spirits are the reason it takes place. Without them it doesn't take place. World needs to be imbalanced to do so.
His weight =/= decision to stop his horse. Prove he applied force to Epona.
"If Link gets ready to stop both a large goat and a large, rocky, feared, larger than a horse, stone-crushing Goron but not Epona, what does that tell you?"
Expanding: Zant was killed after acid, being smashed buy Link w/B&C and the slashed by him, and finally by imploded by Midna.. compared to Ravenna taking small cuts and fire, to be killed by a person with her weakness? Point out the superiority.
Yeah, so its a fact that Link has the superhuman strength to lift and throw Gorons? That's what I've been saying this whole time.
Category? A baseless claim with no proof. Everything shown puts them at human to peak speed given their interactions. Until its proven, Zant is much faster. Also, can they fly or have ranged attacks?
Common sense that Zant controls everything in that zone yet for some reason will take damage from the acid.. that he created.. the he apparently has full control over.. No, he made the zone and everything interacted with followed how it really is, exactly as it is. If the acid he made harms him, he isnt controlling it nor would he be magically controlling the Goron stage.
Take it you forgot the topic, again? This is about the fact that in order to defeat Zant, Link must strike him with the Ball&Chain. And as we know Link with the Ball&Chain has the strength to smash a massive ice block around. So yeah, it is in this thread, and it makes Zant pretty durable.
Burden of proof. We have evidence that she heals from small cuts and can resist fire. My point is that being dunked in acid and lava is more damaging than standing and not being caught on fire, and it is. That being constantly mauled, having limbs or head cut off or crushed is more damaging than small cuts, and they are. And that lack of oxygen for the lungs and other organs, cardiac issue, water in the lungs and overall impaired movements from being submerged in water which Ravenna has yet to show a capability to survive, which is true. In other word with the evidence so far nothings really showing her as resisting all of this. So if there is some reason as you believe, prove that she can.
Theres a scene where she heals a limb or her head back?
Spirits are stated as the things that drove Twilight away, being the only things to stop it from returning. With the Spirits gone Zant was free to bring it down.
Also, again, did not counter the Shadow Crystals with are independent of Twilight and the Light Spirits.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteYes, they can only work there due to one event. Educate yourself.
Oh look, Quan is claiming unprovables. Cute.Here's a chance for you to actually achieve something in this losing battle of yours, Quan. Prove Zant's powers only work in an unbalanced world.
(you can't)
Until you do this Ravenna = fish.
She can change form. 😂