Ravenna (Universal movie) vs. Zant

Started by BloodRain28 pages

Thought I'd just make the note that Midna has the ability to shapeshift (does so to Link after they meet) yet she could not get her form back after the forced transformation.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Thought I'd just make the note that Midna has the ability to shapeshift (does so to Link after they meet) yet she could not get her form back after the forced transformation.
Midnas magic is blocked as per game. Ravenna magic is not blocked.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Shadow Beasts are faster than her summons, making them high-mook level in LoZ 😛

So what's the counter for the Crystals?

No, they aren't. Watch the movie.

Shape shifting and powerful magic.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's extremely straight forward language. What you say does not match up with it. Ergo, you're wrong.

And yet you cannot back this up.

I'm afraid not, Ravenna lacks the feats to be considered powerful enough to resist a curse the light spirits could not reverse.

She can't change back after Zant Fishes her.

no.

Yes, I can but you never proved your case in the first place.

Curse was only possible due to balance of world.

Prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they aren't. Watch the movie.

Shape shifting and powerful magic.


Seen the summons in action. Seen the beasts in action. They're faster by visual proof. Faster, stronger, more durable, would stomp.

Prove her magical strength, and it already stopped a shapeshifter. Whats left?

Originally posted by quanchi112
no.

Yes, I can but you never proved your case in the first place.

Curse was only possible due to balance of world.

Prove it.


Read the passage yourself.

And yet you've resorted to your typical denial.

Wrong. The curse was possible because Ganon gave Zant power to cast it.

It's in the book. Posted the quote already.

"This thing is the embodiment of the evil magic that Zant cast on you. It's definitely different from our tribe's shadow magic..." ~Midna.

Its not Twilight nor is it in that 'balance between Light Spirits and Twilight' situation.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Seen the summons in action. Seen the beasts in action. They're faster by visual proof. Faster, stronger, more durable, would stomp.

Prove her magical strength, and it already stopped a shapeshifter. Whats left?

No, they aren't but it doesn't matter as they aren't in use here.

Midnas magic was never proven. She needed the fused shadows to be a threat. Weak.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Read the passage yourself.

And yet you've resorted to your typical denial.

Wrong. The curse was possible because Ganon gave Zant power to cast it.

It's in the book. Posted the quote already.

I have and understood it.

No.

Hatred amped curse only due to events.

You didn't understand it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
[b]"This thing is the embodiment of the evil magic that Zant cast on you. It's definitely different from our tribe's shadow magic..." ~Midna.

Its not Twilight nor is it in that 'balance between Light Spirits and Twilight' situation. [/B]

yes, it was all made possible by imbalanced world.

Semantics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have and understood it.

No.

Hatred amped curse only due to events.

You didn't understand it.

Clearly not as you're arguing it says something which it does not, simply to avoid admitted you are wrong. Which you are.

So you're denying being in denial. haermm Layers upon layers.

Curse created expressly from a sliver of power given to Zant by Ganondorf. Nothing more nothing less.

That's funny because the quote disagrees with you. I don't need to make a claim, I let the quote speak for me, and you're arguing against it anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
yes, it was all made possible by imbalanced world.

Semantics.

Stated not to have anything to do with Twilight, fact.

Pretend its not all you like.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Clearly not as you're arguing it says something which it does not, simply to avoid admitted you are wrong. Which you are.

So you're denying being in denial. haermm Layers upon layers.

Curse created expressly from a sliver of power given to Zant by Ganondorf. Nothing more nothing less.

That's funny because the quote disagrees with you. I don't need to make a claim, I let the quote speak for me, and you're arguing against it anyway.

No, I am not.

You are wrong.

Due to a specific event making it possible.

No, it doesn't. You lack comprehension.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Stated not to have anything to do with Twilight, fact.

Pretend its not all you like.

You can pretend whatever ridiculous stance you want to but that doesn't make it true.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I am not.

You are wrong.

Due to a specific event making it possible.

No, it doesn't. You lack comprehension.


You're arguing against a direct quote. You lose.

So you're in denial. Good.

The event in question: Ganondorf giving Zant some of his power.

Don't be a scrub, read the book you brought into the debate. It disagrees with you.

Zant turns her into a fish.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're arguing against a direct quote. You lose.

So you're in denial. Good.

The event in question: Ganondorf giving Zant some of his power.

Don't be a scrub, read the book you brought into the debate. It disagrees with you.

Zant turns her into a fish.

You cannot comprehend a quote.

You are.

You still aren't getting it.

I read the tp entry but the maga isn't canon.

When did he turn anyone he faced into a fish ?

The quote is plain and easy to comprehend.

I lol'd. "no u"

Because your reasoning isn't supported by canon and is the result of your constant excuse making.

The manga is canon, prove it isn't or deal with it.

He's polymorphed several enemies, if you want he could turn Ravenna into a shadow beast, since that's more his style.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The quote is plain and easy to comprehend.

I lol'd. "no u"

Because your reasoning isn't supported by canon and is the result of your constant excuse making.

The manga is canon, prove it isn't or deal with it.

He's polymorphed several enemies, if you want he could turn Ravenna into a shadow beast, since that's more his style.

Thats what I thought and then you came into my life.

Nope.

Yes, my reasoning makes senses yours does not.

Zelda community says otherwise.

Concession accepted but she can change shapes. Thanks for rescinding fish claim, weakling.

And ever since you're life's been based around me?

And there it is again.

You have no 'reasoning' you have excuses.

Zelda community is irrelevant, Nintendo made HH, it's canon.

That's not a concession, I'm offering you the option to choose what sort of powerless animal Ravenna turns into. Fish, dog, cat, etc.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And ever since you're life's been based around me?

And there it is again.

You have no 'reasoning' you have excuses.

Zelda community is irrelevant, Nintendo made HH, it's canon.

That's not a concession, I'm offering you the option to choose what sort of powerless animal Ravenna turns into. Fish, dog, cat, etc.

No.
No.

No.

No.

Yes, it's a concession. Made something up. Ravenna wins.