Originally posted by Mr Master
Havok merged to an All Reality Nexus (anchored by 4 heroes)
erased the GFQ from every reality.Merlyn was merged to an All Reality Nexus (harnessed by himself)
nuff said.
Necrom, when he became the Anti-Phoenix (which was nothing more than the sliver of the PF he ripped from Feron), caused Merlyn to go into hiding (even using his daughter, Roma, as bait) until Excalibur dealt with him.
The Goblin Force destroyed the PF, Galactus, and devastated the entire race of Celestials of it's reality.
Maddie w/Goblin Force would/should wreck Merlyn.
Originally posted by zopzopMr. M, I think you low balling the GF again.
Necrom, when he became the Anti-Phoenix (which was nothing more
than the sliver of the PF he ripped from Feron), caused Merlyn to go
into hiding (even using his daughter, Roma, as bait) until Excalibur
dealt with him.
Good ol' Merlyn antics to teach a lesson.
Zop,
Excalibur team was allowed to absorb a "portion" of Merlyn's power source (Energy Matrix)
and they were able to Reverse and re-build
a Multiversal compression collapsing All realitieS.
Necrom was a complete 😂 joke next to Merlyn son.
And come at me with them scans of Merlyn supposedly "hiding" I'll
return with the scans of Merlyn letting it be known it was part of the
grand manipulation.
... heck, you only have to see Merlyn's feats in comparison with Necron's top showing/potential,
and it tells you everything.
Originally posted by zopzopThe Goblin Force destroyed the PF, Galactus,
and devastated the entire race of Celestials of it's reality.
Or, we also have Otherworld, (a Pan-Dimensional Reality)
which just happens to contain the Starlight Citadel (an Omniversal Nexus)
All created by Merlyn.
I'll like to see Necrom creating a Galaxy at-least.
No?
How about destroying one?
No.
Meh, I know, battling Rachel a few planets were wrecked.
lol
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Oh, and before you make the error ..
... do Not try and present the Multiversal collapse as Necrom's doing.
He wishes he had that kind of power.
Necrom was full of it and got called on it.
The Collapse was courtesy of the Energy Matrix itself!
It was slowly compressing all realities from its inception,
Way before Necrom even dreamed about trying to usurp its energy source.
A dream that never came even close to fruition.
Originally posted by zopzopMaddie w/Goblin Force would/should wreck Merlyn.
Originally posted by Mr Master
😆Good ol' Merlyn antics to teach a lesson.
Zop,
Excalibur team was allowed to absorb a "portion" of Merlyn's power source (Energy Matrix)
and they were able to Reverse and re-build
a Multiversal compression collapsing All realitieS.Necrom was a complete 😂 joke next to Merlyn son.
And come at me with them scans of Merlyn supposedly "hiding" I'll
return with the scans of Merlyn letting it be known it was part of the
grand manipulation.... heck, you only have to see Merlyn's feats in comparison with Necron's top showing/potential,
and it tells you everything.And Merlyn fused the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse into tiny crystals ...
.. crack a crystal, erase an entire universe, any universe you wish.Or, we also have Otherworld, (a Pan-Dimensional Reality)
which just happens to contain the Starlight Citadel (an Omniversal Nexus)All created by Merlyn.
I'll like to see Necrom creating a Galaxy at-least.
No?
How about destroying one?
No.
Meh, I know, battling Rachel a few planets were wrecked.
lol
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Oh, and before you make the error ..
... do Not try and present the Multiversal collapse as Necrom's doing.
He wishes he had that kind of power.
Necrom was full of it and got called on it.
The Collapse was courtesy of the Energy Matrix itself!
It was slowly compressing all realities from its inception,
Way before Necrom even dreamed about trying to usurp its energy source.
A dream that never came even close to fruition.Merlyn wrecks Maddie w/Goblin Force and Necron and Rachel combined.
He saw Necrom as a dangerous foe even BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix sliver.
Goblyn Force Maddie wrecks him.
^^ GF didn't absorb that alternate Beyonder.
Anyway, that Beyonder was a shell by the time GF got it.
Also, Betsy smacked up Merlyn years after he disconnected from the Energy Matrix.
Yea, in that same arc, Merlyn got his entire torso blown out by Jaspers,
and he didn't even flinch, and then reformed his torso like it never happened.
Yet, Betsy can hand to hand his ass to him. 😂
Originally posted by zopzop
Faking your death (saying he "required a period of.....anonymity" aka
HIDING), using your own daughter and humans as pawns says it all.
He didn't even want to repair the energy matrix lest Necrom get a
glimpse of him and start a fight (again BEFORE Necrom merged with
the Anti-Phoenix).
He saw Necrom as a dangerous foe even BEFORE he merged with the
Anti-Phoenix sliver.
I could care less about plot induced theatrics by Merlyn.
Necrom couldn't put down heroes!
Again, Necrom's feats? With great effort he was able to destroy a Solar System,
plant by planet.
... uhh, wow? ... yawn
*** Necrom was handled by KyLun! (a b-list hero)
Kylun stabs Necrom's Psychic projection and makes him scream lol:
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Feron blocks Necrom's furious blast, and maintains the block,
while Marcomax (a b-list hero) stomps Necrom hard into the ground:
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Necrom feels pain from the stomp, meanwhile Necrom runs like a b*tch from KyLun:
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KyLun still handling (even owning) Necrom and again, Necrom runs like a b*tch making excuses:
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Originally posted by zopzop
Goblyn Force Maddie wrecks him.
Excalibur team tapping into Merlyn's power source are able to reverse a Multiversal Collapse,
and literally Rebuild the damaged Infinity of UniverseS:
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Merlyn creates from Nothingness, "Otherworld" which is a Pan Dimensional Actuality:
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What does that mean? How can a single Universe be a "multi-universe" reality?
Because, Merlyn also created the "Starlight Citadel," which is an Omniversal Nexus:
It also contains another of Merlyn's creations, the "Celestial Nullifier"
which can wipe out the Life-Force of any entire Universe:
********************
How do you think the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
came to be intertwined with those fragile crystals?
Who could posses such power to manipulate the Omniverse's substance
and indeed significance (its freakin life-force) in those crystals?
That's some uber, as uber as it gets reality warping in affect.
Merlyn baby.
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ GF didn't absorb that alternate Beyonder.
Anyway, that Beyonder was a shell by the time GF got it.Also, Betsy smacked up Merlyn years after he disconnected from the Energy Matrix.
Yea, in that same arc, Merlyn got his entire torso blown out by Jaspers,
and he didn't even flinch, and then reformed his torso like it never happened.
Yet, Betsy can hand to hand his ass to him. 😂Sorry jack, you don't Merlyn.
I could care less about plot induced theatrics by Merlyn.
Necrom couldn't put down heroes!
Again, Necrom's feats? With great effort he was able to destroy a Solar System,
plant by planet.... uhh, wow? ... yawn
*** Necrom was handled by KyLun! (a b-list hero)
Kylun stabs Necrom's Psychic projection and makes him scream lol:
[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820403_Anti5.jpg]
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Feron blocks Necrom's furious blast, and maintains the block,
while Marcomax (a b-list hero) stomps Necrom hard into the ground:[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15820404_Anti7.jpg]
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Necrom feels pain from the stomp, meanwhile Necrom runs like a b*tch from KyLun:
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KyLun still handling (even owning) Necrom and again, Necrom runs like a b*tch making excuses:
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Yea, yea, yea ... let me know when the GF, or Rachel, or Nercom can do this:
Excalibur team tapping into Merlyn's power source are able to reverse a Multiversal Collapse,
and literally Rebuild the damaged Infinity of UniverseS:--------------------------------------------------------
Merlyn creates from Nothingness, "Otherworld" which is a Pan Dimensional Actuality:
--------------------------------------------------------
What does that mean? How can a single Universe be a "multi-universe" reality?
Because, Merlyn also created the "Starlight Citadel," which is an [b]Omniversal Nexus
:It also contains another of Merlyn's creations, the "Celestial Nullifier"
which can wipe out the Life-Force of any entire Universe:********************
How do you think the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
came to be intertwined with those fragile crystals?Who could posses such power to manipulate the Omniverse's substance
and indeed significance (its freakin life-force) in those crystals?That's some uber, as uber as it gets reality warping in affect.
Merlyn baby. [/B]
Merlyn ran, hid, faked his death AND used his daughter as a pawn to avoid confronting a guy Kylun roughed up!
Goblin Force Maddie ends this with a thought.
Originally posted by zopzopMr. M, my friend those scans make things worse, not better for your argument.
zop, I like ya, ... but this is shit talk.
Originally posted by zopzopMerlyn ran, hid, faked his death AND used his daughter as a pawn
to avoid confronting a guy Kylun roughed up!
This is both at the height of their power right,
not story book conflicted characters with pis/cis all over them.
You're argument is based on ... misunderstanding.
Because due to plot, Merlyn decided not to battle Necrom,
because plot called for Rachel to do that,
now you're under the assumption that Merlyn is either below
or than Necrom.
Faulty logic.
Especially when Excalibur was shown just tapping Merlyns power,
and they performed a ridiculous feat which Necrom could never
dream of achieving.
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Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...
Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.
Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)
Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.
Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.
Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.
Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.
Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud. 😂
~~~> still LOL at your comment that my scans work against me. lol
Originally posted by zopzopGoblin Force Maddie ends this with a thought.
That's it?
That's what you're pinning against everything above concerning Merlyn?
LOL!
Originally posted by Mr Master
😆zop, I like ya, ... but this is shit talk.
Guess you don't recognize context friend.
This is both at the height of their power right,
not story book conflicted characters with pis/cis all over them.You're argument is based on ... misunderstanding.
Because due to plot, Merlyn decided not to battle Necrom,
because plot called for Rachel to do that,
now you're under the assumption that Merlyn is either below
or than Necrom.Faulty logic.
Especially when Excalibur was shown just tapping Merlyns power,
and they performed a ridiculous feat which Necrom could never
dream of achieving.-------------------------------------------------
Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...
Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.
Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud. 😂~~~> still LOL at your comment that my scans work against me. lol
lol ... she took out the ever weak sauce PF of Reality 1298 (Xorn shattered the prime PF)
beat up the alternate Galactus of that reality,
and "devastated" the race of Celestials of that reality
before getting owned herself.That's it?
That's what you're pinning against everything above concerning Merlyn?
LOL!
I posted the scans, it's not like I'm making this up; it's right there on panel.
Yes the GF destroyed an ALT reality PF and yes it destroyed an ALT reality Galactus...BUT those "alt" reality Celestials are basically 616 Celestials (the Celestials are multiversal). The GF DEVASTATED their ENTIRE RACE in that universe.
Merlyn hid from a guy Kylun caused problems for.
GF Maddie laughs her way to victory.
Originally posted by zopzopMr M my friend, it wasn't just a plot device, it was the WHOLE
REASON EXCALIBUR WAS CREATED. Everything from Excalibur 1-50
including the two special issues was Merlyn scheming to get Excalibur
to deal with Necrom while Merlyn hid and faked his death, even being
reduced to using his own daughter as a pawn and bait.
I posted the scans, it's not like I'm making this up; it's right there on panel.
Merlyn has been playing tricks like that since back in the Moore days,
there's always some premeditated reasoning behind it for the good of all.
This should enlighten you a bit my friend: (read this carefully)
"Merlyn's origins are shrouded in mystery & misinformation,
much of which he deliberately spread himself ...
Merlyn seems to encourage this confusion,
seeing ALL Existence as a series of endless chess games for Omniversal survival ...
Anything he tells others about himself is suspect,
and eye witness accounts of his actions are unreliable since Merlyn is a master illusionist.
Even his daughter claims Not to truly know who Merlyn is."
Merlyn is, ... the greatest manipulator of all.
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If it wasn't for Moore on panel calling Jaspers "God" ... and the fact that JJ
actually remade 616 in his image,
on top of being seeing by Cobweb in a future where he wasn't stopped
by his one true plot, "Fury" where the entire Omniverse was cancelled as Merlyn predicted,
plus, Merlyn literally stating that he tried to stop 238 Jaspers' warp
and it "thwarted" his abilities ...
Yes, if it wasn't for all that,
I would honestly believe that Merlyn > Jaspers ...
and Not stopping JJ personally was due to Roma's training
when they had the Prime Multiverse being manipulated on freakin Chessboards
and 616 Jaspers was a piece on the board. lol
So, it could be a bit confusing,
but when we see Jaspers' accomplishments and potential,
it clears things up for us more clearly.
JJ was simply "God" withIN his warp, a warp that spread at an exponential rate,
and sooner than later, the warp would engulf what was outside of it,
until there's nothing left to overwhelm.
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🙂
So that said and that aside ... WHAT the heck has Nercom done,
or who has he defeated that inspires such high regards on your part?
Cause for the life of me, I ... don't ... get .... it.
Originally posted by zopzopYes the GF destroyed an ALT reality PF and yes it destroyed an
ALT reality Galactus...BUT those "alt" reality Celestials are basically
616 Celestials (the Celestials are multiversal). The GF
DEVASTATED their ENTIRE RACE in that universe.
You're actually attributing the GF defeating NOW supposedly
"multiversal" Celestials because one issue in an off-mainstream title
had some box made by Celestials CLAIM that Celestials had
something to do with the creation of the original
universe/multiverse.
😆
Wait ... 😂 ... are you high, or serious?
I mean, that arc came out about 13 freakin YEARS AGO! ... lol
Celestials aren't "multiversal" funny guy,
Franklin and many others have proven that,
time and time again. (in many arcs/stories/bios) unlike that comedy you just claimed.
Originally posted by zopzopMerlyn hid from a guy Kylun caused problems for.
GF Maddie laughs her way to victory.
facepalm
Merlyn points at GQ and Necrom and explodes the entire Universe they're in,
like he did in "Chaos Engine/Magneto"
Don't have time right now to crop the page but here's a taste until then:
http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm
Yea, Merlyn obliteratesReality-4872 ... (no CN)
While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I still see you don't know Merlyn's character/personality and agenda.Merlyn has been playing tricks like that since back in the Moore days,
there's always some premeditated reasoning behind it for the good of all.This should enlighten you a bit my friend: (read this carefully)
"Merlyn's origins are shrouded in mystery & misinformation,
,
much of which he deliberately spread himself ...
Merlyn seems to encourage this confusion,
seeing ALL Existence as a series of endless chess games for Omniversal survival ...
[b]Anything he tells others about himself is suspect
and eye witness accounts of his actions are unreliable since Merlyn is a master illusionist.
Even his daughter claims Not to truly know who Merlyn is."Merlyn is, ... the greatest manipulator of all.
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If it wasn't for Moore on panel calling Jaspers "God" ... and the fact that JJ
actually remade 616 in his image,
on top of being seeing by Cobweb in a future where he wasn't stopped
by his one true plot, "Fury" where the entire Omniverse was cancelled as Merlyn predicted,
plus, Merlyn literally stating that he tried to stop 238 Jaspers' warp
and it "thwarted" his abilities ...Yes, if it wasn't for all that,
I would honestly believe that Merlyn > Jaspers ...
and Not stopping JJ personally was due to Roma's training
when they had the Prime Multiverse being manipulated on freakin Chessboards
and 616 Jaspers was a piece on the board. lolSo, it could be a bit confusing,
but when we see Jaspers' accomplishments and potential,
it clears things up for us more clearly.JJ was simply "God" withIN his warp, a warp that spread at an exponential rate,
and sooner than later, the warp would engulf what was outside of it,
until there's nothing left to overwhelm.--------------------------------
🙂
So that said and that aside ... WHAT the heck has Nercom done,
or who has he defeated that inspires such high regards on your part?Cause for the life of me, I ... don't ... get .... it.
This is laughable Zop, seriously.
You're actually attributing the GF defeating NOW supposedly
"multiversal" Celestials because one issue in an off-mainstream title
had some box made by Celestials CLAIM that Celestials had
something to do with the creation of the original
universe/multiverse.😆
Wait ... 😂 ... are you high, or serious?
I mean, that arc came out about 13 freakin YEARS AGO! ... lol
Celestials aren't "multiversal" funny guy,
Franklin and many others have proven that,
time and time again. (in many arcs/stories/bios) unlike that comedy you just claimed.I see, you gots nothing,
but the ol' 'I'll stick to in-book story plots' to define a vs match.facepalm
Merlyn points at GQ and Necrom and explodes the entire Universe they're in,
like he did in "Chaos Engine/Magneto"Don't have time right now to crop the page but here's a taste until then:
http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/ccdapp.htm
Yea, Merlyn obliteratesReality-4872 ... (no CN)
While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time. [/B]
You say he's a master manipulator well he is. He faked his death, used his daughter as a pawn and groomed Exaclibur to deal with Necrom because he was scared to confront Necrom calling him a "dangerous foe".
This was BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and even when he did merged with the AF, he couldn't access it's power unless Rachel used the PF.
Merlyn HID from that guy.
The GF wrecked it's realities version of the PF, Galactus and devastated the ENTIRE RACE of Celestials in it's reality before it was contained. And yes those Celestials are basically 616 Celestials because the Celestials are MULTIVERSAL. You don't have to like it, but until that's retconned, it is what it is.
Fact is and is stated on panel, the entire first 50 issues of Excalibur and it's two specials were Merlyn grooming Exaclibur to deal with Necrom and using his daughter as a pawn because he was too scared to face him.
No amount of opinion or tangential scans will change this.
Originally posted by zopzopMr. M, wall of text aside,
you've yet to disprove what was stated on panel by Merlyn himself.You say he's a master manipulator well he is. He faked his death,
used his daughter as a pawn and groomed Exaclibur to deal with
Necrom because he was scared to confront Necrom calling him a "dangerous foe".This was BEFORE he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and even when
he did merged with the AF, he couldn't access it's power unless
Rachel used the PF.Merlyn HID from that guy.
What does this prove exactly since you can grasp Merlyn's theatrics?
How does this negate Merlyn's feats and/or power?
Moreover how does this boost Necrom's abilities/powers?
I mean, is this Merlyn "hiding from his opponent" vs GQ?
or . is this Merlyn (with his powers/abilities) vs GQ?
Let me know this way I can see where the "F" you're coming from,
otherwise, it's becoming annoying.
No offense, but your argument is plainly senseless here.
Originally posted by zopzopThe GF wrecked it's realities version of the PF, Galactus and
devastated the ENTIRE RACE of Celestials in it's reality before it
was contained. And yes those Celestials are basically 616
Celestials because the Celestials are MULTIVERSAL. You don't have
to like it, but until that's retconned, it is what it is.
And this is based on that single RECENT issue where some story is being retold
by some box made by Celestials which "claims" some Celestials were involved in
the creation of the original multiverse.
So because of this, the Goblin Queen in your mind, devastated a race of Multiversal Celestials.
So, universal power Franlin Richards was killing "Multiversal" Celestials as well. ~kadur~
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I'm being real, I like to get lifted too, so if you can fed-ex some of that greenery we good.
Originally posted by zopzopFact is and is stated on panel, the entire first 50 issues of Excalibur and it's two
specials were Merlyn grooming Exaclibur to deal with Necrom and using his
daughter as a pawn because he was too scared to face him.
No amount of opinion or tangential scans will change this.
Fact is, you don't have anything to say on Necrom's behalf, to imply he any way is > Merlyn.
This is why you're incessantly sticking to Merlyn's incognito behavior as your defense.
I presented Merlyn's feats ...
... stop repeating the same drivel and try use Necrom feats to say something of significance.
Then try and show me WTF GQ is gonna do.
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Merlyn (Post-Energy Matrix) takes a point blank blast from Mad Jim Jaspers 616,
it blows his entire torso/back out of his body:
Merlyn barely reacts to Jaspers' incredible blast and reforms instantly like nothing happened.
Jaspers erased an infinite amount of Captain Britain Corps with a wave of his hand,
leaving literally only a few alive.
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I know, I know, you'll come back with the same gobbledygook referring to Merlyn hiding.
Yet, he doesn't run from Jaspers 616, and calmly manipulates him like he does everyone else.
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