Merlyn vs Goblin Queen

Originally posted by Mr Master
So, you're still stuck on this?

What does this prove exactly since you can grasp Merlyn's theatrics?

How does this negate Merlyn's feats and/or power?

Moreover how does this boost Necrom's abilities/powers?

I mean, is this Merlyn "hiding from his opponent" vs GQ?

or . is this Merlyn (with his powers/abilities) vs GQ?

Let me know this way I can see where the "F" you're coming from,
otherwise, it's becoming annoying.

No offense, but your argument is plainly senseless here.

So, you're under the illusion that the GF is beyond "multiversal"
because it devastated the race of Celestials belonging to the Alternate Reality-1298
in a comic 13 Years ago!

And this is based on that [b]single RECENT issue where some story is being retold
by some box made by Celestials which "claims" some Celestials were involved in
the creation of the original multiverse.

So because of this, the Goblin Queen in your mind, devastated a race of Multiversal Celestials.

So, universal power Franlin Richards was killing "Multiversal" Celestials as well. ~kadur~

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I'm being real, I like to get lifted too, so if you can fed-ex some of that greenery we good.

facepalm

Fact is, you don't have anything to say on Necrom's behalf, to imply he any way is > Merlyn.

This is why you're incessantly sticking to Merlyn's incognito behavior as your defense.

I presented Merlyn's feats ...

... stop repeating the same drivel and try use Necrom feats to say something of significance.

Then try and show me WTF GQ is gonna do.

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Merlyn (Post-Energy Matrix) takes a point blank blast from Mad Jim Jaspers 616,
it blows his entire torso/back out of his body:

Merlyn barely reacts to Jaspers' incredible blast and reforms instantly like nothing happened.

Jaspers erased an infinite amount of Captain Britain Corps with a wave of his hand,
leaving literally only a few alive.

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I know, I know, you'll come back with the same gobbledygook referring to Merlyn hiding.

Yet, he doesn't run from Jaspers 616, and calmly manipulates him like he does everyone else. [/B]

Here it is again, from Merlyn's own mouth :

He couldn't even be straight with his own daughter regarding his plan to stop Necrom because it was "essential that Necrom believe him dead".

Matrix Merlyn wanted no part of Necrom even before he merged with the Anti-Phoenix and for sure wanted NO part of him once he could access it's (the PF's) potential once Rachel was stupid enough to engage him. This is all on panel.

Regarding the Celestials, the GF wrecked their entire race in it's reality, and since they are multiversal (thanks to horrible writing), that means she could have done it to the 616 versions because they are all the same being. This was AFTER it devoured the PF of it's reality and killed it's reality's Galactus.

This is the way it is NOW until they're (the Celestials) retconned again down the line by some other writer.

This is Merlyn however you want him vs GF Maddie. GF Maddie would stomp Merlyn.

5th Host contained the GF

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, there's nothing to discuss. Merlyn faked his death, hid
from Necrom, used his own daughter as a pawn, and groomed
Exaclibur to fight a guy Kylun was giving problems to.

Here it is again, from Merlyn's own mouth :
He couldn't even be straight with his own daughter regarding his
plan to stop Necrom because it was "essential that Necrom believe him dead".
Matrix Merlyn wanted no part of Necrom even before he merged
with the Anti-Phoenix and for sure wanted NO part of him once he
could access it's (the PF's) potential once Rachel was stupid enough
to engage him. This is all on panel.

So this is your only resort?

Simple question.

How does this make Merlyn weaker?

How does this take away from Merlyn's power/abilities/feats:

AGAIN!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...

Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.

Merlyn can obliterate an entire Universe with no CN. (Reality-4872)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding the Celestials, the GF wrecked their entire race in it's reality, and
since they are multiversal (thanks to horrible writing), that means she could have
done it to the 616 versions because they are all the same being. This was AFTER
it devoured the PF of it's reality and killed it's reality's Galactus.

This is the way it is NOW until they're (the Celestials) retconned again down the
line by some other writer.

This is Merlyn however you want him vs GF Maddie. GF Maddie would stomp Merlyn.

Matrix/Merlyn is OMNIVERSAL so even entertaining this ridiculous "multiversal" Celestial notion,
he's still far beyond them, him and her.

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Also, I have to start cracking down on this horse shit cause that one recent issue
isn't going to change Facts that occurred On Panel and are Handbook supported.

Your Goblin Force was born after the Big Bang that gave birth to this Alternate Reality-1298
which is a SINGLE universe and nothing more.

The Goblin Force, like the PF, is a Concept taking form,
the PF in its natural state is a UNIVERSAL Concept, and nothing more.

You're trying to mesh this UNIVERSAL Concept's abilities with another story/arc
completely disconnected 13 Years later via a single issue due to a single story
told about the Celestials suspiciously enough by the Celestials themselves. 😂

Some silly story that contradicts EVERYTHING established up to that point,
even Hickman's entire run makes NO sense if that SINGLE PAGE
in that single book with ZERO backing is true.

We also have to boost several characters to Beyond "multiversal" since you know,
GF ain't the only one to take them down.

Starting with Franklin Richards. facepalm

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Anyway, Merlyn FTW in a stomp!

Universal Creator/Universal Destroyer/Omniversal Nexus
Creator/Universal weapon Destroyer Creator on Omniversal
targeted Realities >>> Solar System buster at full power that taxed his energies (Necrom) or Universal Concept at best (GF)

Won't even mention Maddie, since she was being stalemated by heroes.

Heck,
Dr Strange-1298 by himself stalemated Madelyne/Goblin Queen and her whole crew.

😂

Originally posted by guy222
5th Host contained the GF

Originally posted by Mr Master
durznuts

So this is your only resort?

Simple question.

How does this make Merlyn weaker?

How does this take away from Merlyn's power/abilities/feats:

AGAIN!

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Anyway, Merlyn at his best ...

Merlyn can fuse the Life-Force of the entire Omniverse
with little crystals to shatter at will with the CN.

Merlyn can create from Nothingness
an infinite Universe that's a multi-dimensional actuality. (Otherworld)

Merlyn can create the Starlight Citadel, an Omniversal Nexus
that can itself can explode entire universes.

Excalibur team can tap Merlyn's power source,
and reverse a freakin Multiversal collapse and rebuild the
Multiverse entire in one swoop.

Merlyn can merged with his infinite universe Otherworld, and become abstract.

Meggan can absorb the power of Otherwolrd (Merlyn's creation/power base)
and give pause to the incredible Chaos Wave.

Merlyn manipulates the fate of the prime Multiverse
on a chess board for crying out loud.

Merlyn can obliterate an entire Universe with no CN. (Reality-4872)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298 were never "multiversal" so that is 100% false!

Matrix/Merlyn is OMNIVERSAL so even entertaining this ridiculous "multiversal" Celestial notion,
he's still far beyond them, him and her.

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Also, I have to start cracking down on this horse shit cause that one recent issue
isn't going to change Facts that occurred On Panel and are Handbook supported.

Your Goblin Force was born after the Big Bang that gave birth to this Alternate Reality-1298
which is a SINGLE universe and nothing more.

The Goblin Force, like the PF, is a Concept taking form,
the PF in its natural state is a UNIVERSAL Concept, and nothing more.

You're trying to mesh this UNIVERSAL Concept's abilities with another story/arc
completely disconnected 13 Years later via a single issue due to a single story
told about the Celestials suspiciously enough by the Celestials themselves. 😂

Some silly story that contradicts EVERYTHING established up to that point,
even Hickman's entire run makes NO sense if that SINGLE PAGE
in that single book with ZERO backing is true.

We also have to boost several characters to Beyond "multiversal" since you know,
GF ain't the only one to take them down.

Starting with Franklin Richards. facepalm

There is no "Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298" there are only Celestials, they are multiversal. This will be the case until the Celestials are retconned. The GF devastated their entire race before it's rampage was finally contain.

Adult Franklin Richards fought against THREE Celestials and that was AFTER Sol's Hammer wrecked their Voltron form and even then he needed 616 Franklin's power to rez Galactus to help him finish off the remaining three. The GF devastated their ENTIRE RACE.

Maddie can't lose.

I posted those scans before good friend. And writers will always change wat another writes. It was goin to b Tiamut, Arishem, Ziran and more Celestials takin on Galactus

Originally posted by zopzop

None of this means anything Mr. M. As we've seen on panel, he
refused to fight Necrom and faked his death and hid even stooping
to using his daughter as a pawn as he guided Excalibur into doing
his dirty work. And this was Merlyn with full access to the Matrix. I
provided you the scans. If you have a problem with this take it up
with Alan Davis, I didn't write the thing.

You haven't provided anything of consequence concerning how Necrom
or GF/GQ but especially Nercom (since you're so wrapped up in that)
defeat Matrix/Merlyn's powers/feats.

Nothing.

All you keep repeating is how Merlyn didn't want to face Necrom,
so how does that take away from Merlyn's powers/feats?
(regardless of his reasons, we KNOW it was NOT due to lack of power)

Don't dodge the question with more trolling.

Originally posted by zopzop

There is no "Celestials of Alternate Reality-1298" there are only
Celestials, they are multiversal. This will be the case until the
Celestials are retconned. The GF devastated their entire race
before it's rampage was finally contain.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?

forgetu

Originally posted by zopzop

Maddie can't lose.

Merlyn explodes an entire Universe in her face ftw.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I never knew the Celestials were changed,
or were anything other than what they've been for 30 years.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?

Btw, it's not a Celestial who's saying that shit, it's more like a bunch of mutants downloading Tiamut's memories and gleaning that information from him posthumously.

Anyways, Zop repeatedly referring the Celestials as "multiversal beings" is more because of this:

You could try and dismiss Beast's explanation as mere theorizing, but the fact that he and Kurt successfully created a portal to the AoA reality by opening a multiversal hole in Tiamut's braincase creates additional problems for your position of dismissing Pak's work on the Celestials.

Originally posted by zopzop

The 5th Host was the first of the Celestials to make contact with
the GF after everything was said and done the fight ended with the
GF contained and the race of Celestials in that universe "devastated" :

😂

Perhaps the Celestials of that Alternate Reality were as weak sauce
as the Galactus of that Reality 1298 which the GF took down:

But then again,
a powerLESS Fantastic Four defeated the same Galactus with only brains-guts and sweat"
with a small space cruiser.

... wait,
I thought that Galactus was dead after the GF supposedly killed him. 😂

Love how bull shit always stinks its way through.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Pak's X-termination run repeatedly referred the Celestials as the architects of Creation.

Btw, it's not a Celestial who's saying that shit, it's more like a bunch of
mutants downloading Tiamut's memories and gleaning that
information from him posthumously.

Anyways, Zop repeatedly referring the Celestials as "multiversal
beings" is more because of this:

You could try and dismiss Beast's explanation as mere theorizing, but
the fact that he and Kurt successfully created a portal to the AoA
reality by opening a multiversal hole in Tiamut's braincase creates
additional problems for your position of dismissing Pak's work on the Celestials.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This could be considered Trolling dude.

You haven't provided anything of consequence concerning how Necrom
or GF/GQ but especially Nercom (since you're so wrapped up in that)
defeat Matrix/Merlyn's powers/feats.

Nothing.

All you keep repeating is how Merlyn didn't want to face Necrom,
so how does that take away from Merlyn's powers/feats?
(regardless of his reasons, we KNOW it was NOT due to lack of power)

Don't dodge the question with more trolling.

I never knew the Celestials were changed,
or were anything other than what they've been for 30 years.

So who was the Abstract Cosmic that gave us this info?

Not an Abstract? Well, how bout just a Cosmic like the Watcher.

Not a Cosmic either? hmm..

Was it a character that's known to carry cosmically related info
like a Strange or a Warlock or a Thanos?

No? ... wait ... NO!?

So who the hell is making this shit up?

WHAT?

Celestials themselves are the ones vomiting this nonsense
in a SINGLE OFF-mainstream book?

forgetu

😆

Merlyn explodes an entire Universe in her face ftw.

It's right there on panel. The GF took out universal forces and cosmic beings before being contained and even devastated an entire race of multiversal cosmic beings.

PS what issue did you get that Galactus/FF scan from?

@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal. I forgot who mentioned it in another thread.
EDIT
Found it. I'm referring to this statement :

Originally posted by 753
this multiversal thing isn't new. in gotg, it was stated all celestials across all realities are the same species and share a "quantum" communication network, instantly knowing what the others know or whatever. starlord sent a message to the celestial headquarters this way.

^^ Even if that were true, that doesn't make anyone "multiversal" ..

Yo what's going on with you today?

Or is this the you I've heard about but never confronted?

Or are you messing with me cause you're high? 😛

Originally posted by zopzop

How is it trolling Mr. M? I just provided you scans of Merlyn hiding
and faking his death from the guy that Kylun gave headaches to.

It's right there on panel. The GF took out universal forces and cosmic
beings before being contained and even devastated an entire race of
multiversal cosmic beings.

It's Trolling cause you enjoy telling me what GF has done,
but you equally enjoy ignoring what Merlyn's done.

I get annoyed with trolls quickly, please debate properly or be ignored.

Originally posted by zopzop

PS what issue did you get that Galactus/FF scan from?

@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanks for that scan. I see it's still a Celestial talking shit! imo.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd.

From what I think, that Super-Celestial is most likely the Jack-Fulcrum/TOAA from Gaiman's run.

Probably also explains their ability to Voltron-merge into a single unit.

Anyways, even from the scan of Tiamut's memories from Astonishing X-Men, individual Celestials aren't multiversal really, because it took an unknown number of then to forge the original prime universe and then shatter it into alternate realities. Based on that, the best we can estimate their current power-levels to be is somewhere between universal to trans-universal.

Originally posted by zopzop
@TheGodKiller
There's also that GotG incident that showed the Celestials were multiversal. I forgot who mentioned it in another thread.
EDIT
Found it. I'm referring to this statement :

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Even if that were true, that doesn't make anyone "multiversal" ..

Yo what's going on with you today?

Or is this the you I've heard about but never confronted?

Or are you messing with me cause you're high? 😛

So Trolling it is. Nice.

It's Trolling cause you enjoy telling me what GF has done,
but you equally enjoy ignoring what Merlyn's done.

I get annoyed with trolls quickly, please debate properly or be ignored.

The same run you're hyping up this GF from.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.

Yes I know it's from Mutant X series but what issue? Galactus made another appearance in that series but it was a mental illusion. I want to check out that issue to see the scan in context.

As of now, the Celestials are the Celestials are the Celestials (there is no 616, 1290, etc.. version). These guys also created the multiverse. The GF devastated an entire race of them (along with it's realities version of the PF and Galactus).

Originally posted by Mr Master
Thanks for that scan. I see it's still a Celestial talking shit! imo.

Taimut's "memories" = Celestials' account or improve of a story.

That aside ...

I actually like the idea that they're all part of a super Celestial,
which could be "multiversal." That fits better and could make sense
and could be introduced into the cosmological make-up of Marvel.
Heck, Scathan could fit that criteria well, perhaps, it's him. lol

But seriously, the way Zop was putting it,
it's as though All Celestials were "multiversal" and that's absurd.

But anyway, here's some relevant details from that arc:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nccdw7.jpg

And here's where it says that the Celestials split the universe into the multiverse, going from Tiamut's memories. From the looks of it, it was 2-4 Celestials that did it. Possibly more off panel:
http://i39.tinypic.com/9ay0bk.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a0lusx.jpg

Which fits in well with what we were told at the start of the arc, where it appears that the universe they were put in became a sort of void likely due to their feeding, and the walls cracking around it:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp7frq.jpg

Also, I feel like since the 5th Host fought her, that she took like one or two down, which in turn "devastated" their race. I mean, she was fueled by Phoenix, and possibly Galactus. That's a lot of power.

Originally posted by Mr Master
While (Necrom/PF fraction) taxed himself taking out a single solar system one planet at a time.

I know you're making a case against zop but this is false. Necrom 2 shotted a solar system and was no where near taxed. He did this while "hurt and dying" - stated by Rachel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The same run you're hyping up this GF from.

Scans/issue #s of Celestials being noted as "multiversal" anywhere else.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Knowhere and the issues in which the Badoon enslaved the Celestials and an evil Black Bolt detonated the Fault.

http://i44.tinypic.com/262l475.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/e9cf35.jpg

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

According to Pak, they're "aspects" of a single multiversal entity.

From what I think, that Super-Celestial is most likely the Jack-
Fulcrum/TOAA from Gaiman's run.

Probably also explains their ability to Voltron-merge into a single unit.

Anyways, even from the scan of Tiamut's memories from Astonishing
X-Men, individual Celestials aren't multiversal really, because it
took an unknown number of then to forge the original prime
universe and then shatter it into alternate realities. Based on that,
the best we can estimate their current power-levels to be is
somewhere between universal to trans-universal.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

I was thinking more of a super version of each different
Celestial, or perhaps just them all being equal and no super version.

But anyway, here's some relevant details from that arc:
http://i40.tinypic.com/nccdw7.jpg

And here's where it says that the Celestials split the universe into
the multiverse, going from Tiamut's memories. From the looks of it, it was 2-4 Celestials that did it. Possibly more off panel:
http://i39.tinypic.com/9ay0bk.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/2a0lusx.jpg

Which fits in well with what we were told at the start of the arc,
where it appears that the universe they were put in became a sort
of void likely due to their feeding, and the walls cracking around it:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zp7frq.jpg

Also, I feel like since the 5th Host fought her, that she took like one
or two down, which in turn "devastated" their race. I mean, she was
fueled by Phoenix, and possibly Galactus. That's a lot of power.

Originally posted by Sundipped

I know you're making a case against zop but this is false.

Necrom 2 shotted a solar system and was no where near taxed.

He did this while "hurt and dying" - stated by Rachel.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.

As far as the Solar System goes, it took him 4 pages to destroy it.

And he Never had the power output to outright destroy that Solar System:

Originally posted by Mr Master

I just went over the issue,
and never saw Rachel state Necrom was "hurt and dying"
but he also didn't seem exactly "taxed" so I recant that.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.

As far as the Solar System goes, it took him 4 pages to destroy it.

And he Never had the power output to outright destroy that Solar System: