Merlyn vs Goblin Queen

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Knowhere and the issues in which the Badoon enslaved the
Celestials and an evil Black Bolt detonated the Fault.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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This has nothing to do with Celestials being "multiversal."

It does tells us that Celestials can communicate psychically with other Celestials
across Timelines,
and the Celestial head is a Universal Nexus.

That is impressive friends, but this isn't a showcase/depiction or feat
that suggests Celestials are "multiversal" powers
that can warp/affect entire multiple UniverseS or better yet the Multiverse entire.

So, all we got is that silly X issue, where nothing was done, only told,
by Celestials themselves.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I thought you guys were referring to something else.

This has nothing to do with Celestials being "multiversal."

It does tells us that Celestials can communicate psychically with other Celestials
across Timelines,
and the Celestial head is a Universal Nexus.

That is impressive friends, but this isn't a showcase/depiction or feat
that suggests Celestials are "multiversal" powers
that can warp/affect entire multiple UniverseS or better yet the Multiverse entire.

So, all we got is that silly X issue, where nothing was done, only told,
by Celestials themselves.

The multiversal part is when they created the multiverse, and sealed their creations in one of the universes they created.
As told before they appeared, and in Tiamut's memories.

But that's a group of them that did in fact canonically create a multiverse.

^^ I understand.

According to who did those Celestials "canonically" create a "multiverse?"

What I saw, was story telling via supposed memories of Taimut's,
in an off-mainstream issue.

Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.

I would've been more inclined to accept this had a Cosmic helped in the re-telling.

Originally posted by zopzop

But then again, I couldn't imagine who could hurt mighty Nercom.

My bad, I forgot he was "weakened" by Marcomax and Feron. 😂

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Oh yes, that's right, it was a single Marcomax stomp on the head:

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And Feron attacking once and blocked, then just BLOCKING Necrom's attack:

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That's the only damage his physical form received,
well, if you consider Feron blocking Necrom's attack as a form of attack for Feron. 😐

So this is what caused him to be not only "hurt" but "dying?"

My, my, this Necrom gets more pathetic as we learn.

Originally posted by zopzop

Still not bad for someone that had a sliver of the PF
and couldn't even access it unless Rachel was using it.

Originally posted by Mr Master

But then again, I couldn't imagine who could hurt mighty Nercom.

My, my, this Necrom gets more pathetic as we learn.

Not bad at all. But in comparison with Merlyn's feats, a joke in the truest form.

^^ facepalm

Let me know when Merlyn & Necrom battled and Merlyn lost,
or was losing and ran,
otherwise, silence.

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Dr Strange of Reality-1298 stalemates the Goblin Queen and her entire crew:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830925_H_vs_G6.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830926_H_vs_G7.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830927_H_vs_G8.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830928_H_vs_G9.jpg]

Then Strange get help from some heroes, the stalemating continues:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830929_H_vs_G10.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830930_H_vs_G11.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830931_H_vs_G12.jpg]

In fact,
when Havok decided to destroy the swamp lands
where the Nexus was located in That Reality,
the Goblin Queen RAN for her life out of there:

btw. That was PRIOR to Alex merging with the Nexus of Realities,. and here's the proof:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830923_H_vs_G4.jpg]

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ facepalm

Let me know when Merlyn & Necrom battled and Merlyn lost,
or was losing and ran,
otherwise, silence.

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Dr Strange of Reality-1298 stalemates the Goblin Queen and her entire crew:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830925_H_vs_G6.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830926_H_vs_G7.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830927_H_vs_G8.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830928_H_vs_G9.jpg]

Then Strange get help from some heroes, the stalemating continues:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830929_H_vs_G10.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830930_H_vs_G11.jpg]

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830931_H_vs_G12.jpg]

In fact,
when Havok decided to destroy the swamp lands
where the Nexus was located in That Reality,
the Goblin Queen RAN for her life out of there:

btw. That was PRIOR to Alex merging with the Nexus of Realities,. and here's the proof:

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15830923_H_vs_G4.jpg]

Regarding those scans, that was the GF at it's weakest. It was slowly regaining it's strength after breaking out of its' containment.

Alex's son then exorcises the weakened GF from Maddie and it lays dormant again until the fight between Cap America and Havok woke it up. It consumes the Beyonder's essence and wrecks the Earth heroes till Havok with the Nexus destroys it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ I understand.

According to who did those Celestials "canonically" create a "multiverse?"

What I saw, was story telling via supposed memories of Taimut's,
in an off-mainstream issue.

Not acceptable imo. I have to see another story/arc vouch for this,
or a handbook certifying this as an event
and not a mind phuk by Taimut for purposes yet to be revealed.

I would've been more inclined to accept this had a Cosmic helped in the re-telling.

Tiamut was literally dead at the time, and she used his memory box to figure out how the creatures were created, and dealt with.

There is no purpose even if Tiamut was alive to lie about creating the multiverse.

Off mainstream is like every cosmic story ever though. I don't see why we shouldn't accept this when you're a fan of bringing up the Cosmic Cube novel. 😬

It could never be brought up again, and it still would have happened. Not liking it doesn't make it false.

The Celestial thing is a canon fact until proven otherwise via other canon material. It is ludicrous to say that an event has to be mentioned at least twice before it can be considered canon. On panel is on panel.

As for this thread: zop's been bringing the pain! 👆

^^ 😆 ... took you long enough.

Originally posted by zopzop

Let me know why Merlyn was faking his death and hiding like a
little beyotch behind his own DAUGHTER if he wasn't afraid to face off
vs Necrom.

It's not real life dude, it's comics.
You can't let go of this and now it's become silly.

Bottomline, did Merlyn hide cause he lacked the power?

Or did he hide cause he had another agenda
as his character/persona/history entails?

What makes more sense to a mind of common sense?

(although, DOES it MATTER in this vs thread, or any other?) NO!

Exaclibur team tapped into Merlyn's power source!

MERLYN'S Power Source! .. what Merlyn was merged to!

(a feat from the same Necrom arc)

And they were able to easily Reverse the Multiversal collapse in session,
and they rebuilt the Multiverse in a swoop simultaneously:

And make no mistake, Brian realized Merlyn was "manipulating" this whole show:

"Brian, guys, This is all too neat, it can't be coincidence."

"I know. We are being manipulated"

Originally posted by zopzop

Regarding those scans, that was the GF at it's weakest. It was slowly regaining
it's strength after breaking out of its' containment.

Alex's son then exorcises the weakened GF from Maddie and it lays dormant again
until the fight between Cap America and Havok woke it up. It consumes the
Beyonder's essence and wrecks the Earth heroes till Havok with the Nexus
destroys it.

GF, merged with the comatose/dormant/helpless corpse of that Beyonder,
which just happened to still contain his power too, so good for her.
Every feat there after is null/void since she got a power-up in an unearned fashion.
In fact, Dr Strange pointed out how that was the reason Havok couldn't outright
destroy the GF before harnessing the Nexus.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

1: Tiamut was literally dead at the time, and she used his memory
box to figure out how the creatures were created, and dealt with.
There is no purpose even if Tiamut was alive to lie about creating the multiverse.

2: Off mainstream is like every cosmic story ever though. I don't see
why we shouldn't accept this when you're a fan of bringing up the
Cosmic Cube novel.

3: It could never be brought up again, and it still would have happened.
Not liking it doesn't make it false.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I just went over the issue,
and never saw Rachel state Necrom was "hurt and dying"
but he also didn't seem exactly "taxed" so I recant that.

If your claim is true, you'll have to find it for me cause I missed it.

As far as the Solar System goes, it took him 4 pages to destroy it.

And he Never had the power output to outright destroy that Solar System:

Well zop posted the scan you missed.
It only took two pages to do it. First he ignited a planet which resulted in a strong gravitational pull. That's the first shot.

The second shot was a wave of destruction radiating outwards after Necrom turned it up a notch.

The power output is shown on panel as well as Rachel stating it. I don't see where you were going by stating he never had the power.

Originally posted by Sundipped

Well zop posted the scan you missed.
It only took two pages to do it.
First he ignited a planet which resulted in a strong gravitational pull. That's the first shot.

The second shot was a wave of destruction radiating outwards
after Necrom turned it up a notch.

The power output is shown on panel as we'll as Rachel stating it.

I don't see where you were going by stating he never had the power.

Also, Rachel clearly states that neither she or Necrom have the power to destroy a solar system:

(this is where I was going)

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831255_R_vs_N1.jpg]

She's literally saying Necrom used his surroundings to destroy the solar system.

eg. finally igniting the gas giant after destroying some of the solar system
in battle with her.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ 😆 ... took you long enough.

I don't know? To permit a great 125 issue run plus tie-ins to flow as Marvel Comics?
Or a cool story where heroes do their thing?

It's not real life dude, it's comics.
You can't let go of this and now it's become silly.

Bottomline, did Merlyn hide cause he lacked the power?

Or did he hide cause he had another agenda
as his character/persona/history entails?

What makes more sense to a mind of common sense?

(although, DOES it MATTER in this vs thread, or any other?) NO!

Exaclibur team tapped into Merlyn's power source!

MERLYN'S Power Source! .. what Merlyn was [b]merged to!

(a feat from the same Necrom arc)

And they were able to easily Reverse the Multiversal collapse in session,
and they rebuilt the Multiverse in a swoop simultaneously:

And make no mistake, Brian realized Merlyn was "manipulating" this whole show:

"Brian, guys, This is all too neat, it can't be coincidence."

"I know. We are being manipulated"

He did all this to avoid fighting Necrom directly! That was sort of the point.

Yea I know the story well, thanx. I'm lowballing now cause I'm having fun,
the seriousness of the debate got trolled away.

GF, merged with the comatose/dormant/helpless corpse of that Beyonder,
which just happened to still contain his power too, so good for her.
Every feat there after is null/void since she got a power-up in an unearned fashion.
In fact, Dr Strange pointed out how that was the reason Havok couldn't outright
destroy the GF before harnessing the Nexus.

Dr Strange's take on the whole thing :

This doesn't nullify anything. GF wins.

Originally posted by Mr Master
1: The fact that doesn't make sense is a good one.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials.

That makes Tiamut himself remembering it, the beings who were imprisoned, and the narrator stating what happened.

And this arc happened throughout like 5 different X-Men books, including a new series started up just to feature a book or two. This series happened specifically in 616, and AoA:
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And this the canon fact that the Celestials did in fact create the multiverse came out like last month. Let's wait for the bio on that one, because clearly comics don't count for shit. This logic applied to any other book on the stand means that we don't have to accept anything if it's not in a bio.
I wonder how many bios mention Eternity having universes inside himself... actually, I'm curious what the bio says about Phoenix holding a universe...

And more people read X-Men than they ever do of Excalibur. So I guess that makes it more canon than anything that's ever happened in Excalibur?

Right now, your argument is "I don't like it, it didn't happen." 😬

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, OF COURSE he was manipulating them. Just like he used his
daughter as a pawn. Just like he faked his death and hid.

He did all this to avoid fighting Necrom directly! That was sort of the point.

So in your opinion besides All other feats that trump Nercom,

you believe Multiversal rebuilder and collapse reverser < Necrom
solar system buster, and/or Necrom Pre-PF fraction which is even more laughable? 😂

Originally posted by zopzop

Yup, the GF absorbed ALL that power without skipping a beat.

Dr Strange's take on the whole thing

This doesn't nullify anything.

That's very misleading unless that's your aim.

Beyonder-1298 merged with Goblin Queen/Force-1298 were planetary at best.

Without that Nexus withIN Havok, no where near to being a reality buster,
yet you think this power defeated "multiversal" powers. lol

So, I still haven't seen a damn thing that proves
Necrom's power was greater than Merlyn's.

That goes for the GQF too.

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Anyway, just another of the many feats.

Merlyn doing what either of them wish they could do.

Merlyn effortlessly expands his awareness
and becomes one with the Universe to find Brian,
who was being pulled by the currents of Infinity:

"Beyond the veil of Earthly Time & Space ... into the great Void"

"Become One with the great depths of Space"

Originally posted by Mr Master
Mine has more pages to it:

Yeah.....so many that you missed Rachel stating he was dying and weak. 😂
But seriously, the first 2 scans was just him shooting magma from a planet core at Rachel. The solar system busting begins with the last panel of the second scan.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Also, Rachel clearly states that neither she or Necrom have the power to destroy a solar system:

(this is where I was going)

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831255_R_vs_N1.jpg]

She's literally saying Necrom used his surroundings to destroy the solar system.

eg. finally igniting the gas giant after destroying some of the solar system
in battle with her.

She said "I don't think" he has the power. On panel, it was shown so there's that. The second shot didn't have anything to do with using any surroundings.

Not that it would have any bearing on you and zops discussion.......I just wanted to clear that little bit up. Carry on.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Anyway, just another of the many feats.

Merlyn doing what either of them wish they could do.

Merlyn effortlessly expands his awareness
and becomes one with the Universe to find Brian,
who was being pulled by the currents of Infinity:

"Beyond the veil of Earthly Time & Space ... into the great Void"

"[b]Become One with the great depths of Space" [/B]

^^ 😂 ... You're the best.

Originally posted by Sundipped

Yeah.....so many that you missed Rachel stating he was dying and weak.

He got stomped on the head once by Macromax.
He blocked one blast from Feron, then Feron just block his blast for a while.

Physically? That's it.

I would 😂 too. so I'm with ya. 😛

Originally posted by Sundipped

But seriously, the first 2 scans was just him shooting magma
from a planet core at Rachel. The solar system busting begins with
the last panel of the second scan.

She said "I don't think" he has the power. On panel, it was
shown so there's that. The second shot didn't have anything to do
with using any surroundings.

Why would Claremont have Rachel witness the whole thing,
and then have her ignorant about what just happened?

It's clear the gas giant wasn't destroyed yet:

Rachel shot a flare at him from the gas giant,
and the battle field never moved, from that point the gas giant exploded.

She said the solar system was destroyed
and neither herself or Necrom has the juice to do it.
She then gives us a reason why she came to this conclusion.
The conclusion being that Necrom used his surroundings against her,
instead of direct assaults.

If he could explode the solar system with one blast or whatever,
why waste time throwing moons at her or overloading unstable gas giants,
instead of a direct solar system scale shattering blast?

You feel me Sund. I believe that's what she meant.

Originally posted by Mr Master

1: The fact that doesn't make sense is a good one.

2: Absolutely. But separate issues, or even arcs relate similar/or exact information
to cement a claim/tale as true or at the very least as "possible."
The Cosmic Cube novel was referenced across 4 separate Handbook bios,
at Marvel.com in 3 separate bios,
and at Marvunapp in the Alternate UniverseS section.

3: It happened strictly to those particular X fans,
so you're right, if you didn't pick up a copy of that solitary issue,
we'd all still be clinging on to 30 plus years of established Marvel history
concerning Celestials.

This is ridiculous. You're attempting to ignore an on-panel flash back because you don't like it and it doesn't fit into what you think the hierarchy should be.

Handbook confirmation? Lawlz, might as well just call it PIS. At least that doesn't make you look looney.

^^ You have no idea what's going on here,
so I'm not getting why you're jumping in.

Also, you sound eerily familiar making accusations like that. hmm

Another personal attack gets reported.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

Sure it does. To deal with an absolute threat, they imprisoned
beings in the only prison that could hold them when there were no
universes around at the time.
Here's the third confirmation in the series from the imprisoned
themselves. Obviously lying:

That makes Tiamut himself remembering it, the beings who were
imprisoned, and the narrator stating what happened.

And this arc happened throughout like 5 different X-Men books,
including a new series started up just to feature a book or two. This
series happened specifically in 616, and AoA:

And this the canon fact that the Celestials did in fact create the
multiverse came out like last month. Let's wait for the bio on that
one, because clearly comics don't count for shit. This logic applied
to any other book on the stand means that we don't have to accept
anything if it's not in a bio.
I wonder how many bios mention Eternity having universes inside
himself... actually, I'm curious what the bio says about Phoenix
holding a universe...

And more people read X-Men than they ever do of Excalibur. So I
guess that makes it more canon than anything that's ever
happened in Excalibur?

Right now, your argument is "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

I never stated that an event or feat has to be referenced in a bio,
so that right there tells me you're posting clinching your jaw
which leads to lack of attention.

Anyway, review my posts carefully cause this isn't the first time
you let off a tangent base on ill-assumpstions concerning my posts
or refer to Godkiller for what I said cause while I love ya,
I'm not in the mood for ya right now.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ 😂 ... You're the best.

Yea. Especially after I posted what made him "hurt" to the point of "dying" (up top)
you'd see how forgetful it could be.

He got stomped on the head once by Macromax.
He blocked one blast from Feron, then Feron just block his blast for a while.

Physically? That's it.

I would 😂 too. so I'm with ya. 😛

I have to disagree here.

Why would Claremont have Rachel witness the whole thing,
and then have her ignorant about what just happened?

It's clear the gas giant wasn't destroyed yet:

Rachel shot a flare at him from the gas giant,
and the battle field never moved, from that point the gas giant exploded.

She said the solar system was destroyed
and neither herself or Necrom has the juice to do it.
She then gives us a reason why she came to this conclusion.
The conclusion being that Necrom used his surroundings against her,
instead of direct assaults.

If he could explode the solar system with one blast or whatever,
why waste time throwing moons at her or overloading unstable gas giants,
instead of a direct solar system scale shattering blast?
You feel me Sund. I believe that's what she meant.

Meh, the method only took 2 pages.
Rachel still says "I don't think".
Just cause he's having fun fighting Rachel in this manner doesn't mean a greater display can't be shown. The fight was drawn out over an extended period to show a steady increase in Necroms power output. Can't have every fight just be a solar system/galaxy/universe buster ko.