Morlun vs Colossus and Thing

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I understand and I agree that it *should* kill him. But these are comics we're talking about. And it's within the realm of possibility that he rolled with blows and/or Thor/Hulk didn't hit him with full strength. The first encounter with Hulk comes to mind.

Anyway, Morlun was meant to be *nigh* unbeatable sans the plot device.

yeah, as far as I remember there are at least 2-3 incidents where Spidey's survived/semi-dodged some hits from the Hulk. I just thought don't want to entertain the notion that Morlun might actually be stronger than Thor or Hulk 😛

Morlun should be able to give both Thor and Hulk decent fights...wouldn't say he is as strong as either though.

He doesn't have to be though seeing as his durability seems much higher.

Debatable...everything he did/done, Hulk did it 2 times over. I think he will give anyone in the Herald tier a good fight...an amazing fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Debatable...everything he did/done, Hulk did it 2 times over. I think he will give anyone in the Herald tier and good fight...an amazing fight.

Hulk broke adamantium only while being amped. Worthy WWH. Everything else was either secondary adamantium or adamantium alloy sh*t.

Either way Carver, Hulk is not in this thread - Colossus and Thing are. And they are far less powerful, neither of them even capable of breaking secondary adamantium, etc.

Originally posted by curryman
When's the last time Peter took a hit from either of those?

For f*cks sake... JMS, a writer respected by a great amount of fans - not just US - had Ezekiel saying a dome with a super-durable, adamantium-core wouldn't stop him. What happened in BP run? Adamantium net shredded.

Then we have a very likely possibility of Morlun liking to play with food.

Morlun was meant to be amazingly powerful from the start, I'm sure of it. Only thing that contradicts it is what, 1 handbook maybe... that puts Morlun at about average stats even though we know he's above that.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
For f*cks sake... JMS, a writer respected by a great amount of fans - not just US - had Ezekiel saying a dome with a super-durable, adamantium-core wouldn't stop him. What happened in BP run? Adamantium net shredded.

Then we have a very likely possibility of Morlun liking to play with food.

Morlun was meant to be amazingly powerful from the start, I'm sure of it. Only thing that contradicts it is what, 1 handbook maybe... that puts Morlun at about average stats even though we know he's above that.

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Handbooks are garbage. I don't know why people like to cite them over the actual comics themselves when it comes to powers/abilities and the range of them.

still think team takes it

^ Doubt it.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Handbooks are garbage. I don't know why people like to cite them over the actual comics themselves when it comes to powers/abilities and the range of them.

The only real use for handbooks, imho, is how they give you a brief summary of a character's origin and major events they played a role in. As far as power levels go, they give very basic overviews and often omit a lot of what that character has done.

I don't even want to get into the numerical scale they use for the power grids.

Originally posted by SamZED
From Thor quite recently - during End of the Earth which is one of the latest issues of ASM. Cant remember if Thor was among a group of heroes who hit him during Spider Island. Either way Pete's been hit by both on several occasions (among other class 100+ characters) so he knows what he's talking about. On a side note he tends to exaggerate sometimes. He wasnt far off with Morlun though looking at his feats.

He was very, very, very far off.

If you wanna throw up the Thor vs Morlun thread then go ahead.

I'll gladly take it to the battlezone if you want.

Originally posted by curryman
He was very, very, very far off.

If you wanna throw up the Thor vs Morlun thread then go ahead.

I'll gladly take it to the battlezone if you want.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
JMS Spiderman was operating at high levels and he stated Morlun hit (him) harder than Thor or Hulk.

Morlun was intended to be an incredibly powerful beast from beginning - that's why Ezekiel knew the metal dome with adamantium at its core wouldn't stop him, etc.

The difference is that neither HULK nor THOR really truly tried to hit Spiderman they are heroes and friends of his. Morlun is obviously not and would be giving his all.

Originally posted by SamZED
What does that have to do with anything? I never said Morlun can beat Thor in a fight and you will never hear me say that. Spider-man was comparing their punches, we are talking about punches and that only. And concidering that he has been hit by Hulk, Thor, classic Juggs etc and now by Morlun who is strong enough to rip apart a primary adamantium net like a tissue I dont see why he can't compare the hits... Please explain why was he far off? What are you basing that on exactly?

The fact that he doesn't have their feats.

Plain and simple.

Spidey's never taken a real hit from Thor or Hulk either.

If he did, he'd be dead 🙂

Originally posted by curryman
The fact that he doesn't have their feats.

Plain and simple.

Spidey's never taken a real hit from Thor or Hulk either.

If he did, he'd be dead 🙂

Spider-man's been hit by many class 100+. So have other streets, it's comics.

Originally posted by SamZED
Are you saying that no new character can possibly hit as strong as Thor unless he/she has decades worth of feats? What if its their first appearnce? Molrlun is fairly new and the few times he displayed his strength he a. was compared to Hulk and b. ripped a primary adamantium net. Sounds right to me.

Spider-man's been hit by many class 100+. So have other streets, it's comics.

Spider-man has not been straight up hit by many class 100+. Some class 100s sure, but he has not taken straight blows from class 100+s.

You can't use the comparison by Spider-man as a showing when that's what's being disputed...

And if a new character wants to be established around Thor's or Hulk's (a lower level than Thor's) then they need some feats beyond no-selling Spider-Man and fighting Wakanda.

Lol...ripping Adamantium like tissue paper should be enough proof that he is either on or above Thor. Not a single Herald in Marvel has damaged Adamantium, especially as easily as Morlun did. It's pretty clear what the writer intention was when he compared Morlun strength to the strongest character on the planet. No way of denying this. Now the dispute is...has Parker ever felt the punch of an angry Hulk?

Why I'm on this topic...Stiltman, didn't forget about you bro. Classic Ultron was made out of Primary Adamantium and Hulk one punched him denting his shell so that wasp can enter.

Originally posted by curryman
Spider-man has not been straight up hit by many class 100+. Some class 100s sure, but he has not taken straight blows from class 100+s.

You can't use the comparison by Spider-man as a showing when that's what's being disputed...

And if a new character wants to be established around Thor's or Hulk's (a lower level than Thor's) then they need some feats beyond no-selling Spider-Man and fighting Wakanda.

You're missing the point again. We're not comparing Morlun to Thor in general, we're comparing strength behind their hits. Morlun has ripped a primary adamantium net, and like Carver said, its a strength feat not many (if any at all) class 100+ characters managed to pull off. And it supports Spider-man's claim. You can't keep basing your opinion on what you feel things should be like instead of what was actually shown on-panel.

Originally posted by SamZED
He has. I honestly do not know what else to say on the matter. He has so he knows what he's talking about.

You're missing the point again. We're not comparing Morlun to Thor in general, we're comparing strength behind their hits. Morlun has ripped a primary adamantium net, and like Carver said, its a strength feat not many (if any at all) class 100+ characters managed to pull off. And it supports Spider-man's claim. You can't keep basing your opinion on what you feel things should be like instead of what was actually shown on-panel.

Didn't even see him rip the net...

It's not like Thor and Hulk hasn't dealt with Adamantium either.

Don't even bother trying to bring up JMS' credibility when you're trying to sell him with Hudlin's trash writing.