Morlun vs Colossus and Thing

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yes. Thor with an uncharged blow was the first to damage Adamantium. You'll also notice pieces flying off.

Snapped neck? Look at his neck in the third and forth panels. The third one it's standing straight up, and the forth one has his neck bent on the complete opposite side.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2502gjk.jpg

Also notice how one shotted Hulk was with a leg shot.

PS Abhi, you SURE they retconned Secret War Ultron to being secondary adamantium. Proof? If so, ignore my whole "Hulk damaged Ultron" statement.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet Hulk did more damage to Ultron than Thor ever did that's my point. And it's not like Thor hasn't had his chance to shine vs Ultron. They fought numerous times.

PS Abhi, you SURE they retconned Secret War Ultron to being secondary adamantium. Proof? If so, ignore my whole "Hulk damaged Ultron" statement.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
For f*cks sake... JMS, a writer respected by a great amount of fans - not just US - had Ezekiel saying a dome with a super-durable, adamantium-core wouldn't stop him. What happened in BP run? Adamantium net shredded.

Then we have a very likely possibility of Morlun liking to play with food.

Morlun was meant to be amazingly powerful from the start, I'm sure of it. Only thing that contradicts it is what, 1 handbook maybe... that puts Morlun at about average stats even though we know he's above that.

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Originally posted by SamZED
He has. I honestly do not know what else to say on the matter. He has so he knows what he's talking about.

You're missing the point again. We're not comparing Morlun to Thor in general, we're comparing strength behind their hits. Morlun has ripped a primary adamantium net, and like Carver said, its a strength feat not many (if any at all) class 100+ characters managed to pull off. And it supports Spider-man's claim. You can't keep basing your opinion on what you feel things should be like instead of what was actually shown on-panel.

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not even sure how there is a debate about this. morlun is clearly in thor's strength class. that doesn't mean he could beat thor who is one of the most versatile characters in comics. to deny morlun's strength though is simply denying on-panel evidence backed by very obvious write intent. that along with the notion that spidey hasn't been struck by cl100 guys, and couldn't survive it..... 😑

just because morlun doesn't have the wealth of feats thor has doesn't mean we can't come to a logical conclusion (thus far) as regards his power level. shredding wakanda like he did is a damn big feat especially in light of some of bp's solo feats.

morlun would win this fight, imo, but it would be very interesting to see him take on some of marvel's more notable bricks.

hmm, i don't recall that retcon happening in avengers forever, but been a while since i read it...

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i don't recall that retcon happening in avengers forever, but been a while since i read it...

Originally posted by zopzop
Yet Hulk did more damage to Ultron than Thor ever did that's my point. And it's not like Thor hasn't had his chance to shine vs Ultron. They fought numerous times.

PS Abhi, you SURE they retconned Secret War Ultron to being secondary adamantium. Proof? If so, ignore my whole "Hulk damaged Ultron" statement.

We know he can damage Ultron with an uncharged hit, so what do you end up with at the end of the day? Holding back?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
There's only one time to my knowledge Thor actually went balls out against Ultron, and that was when he was shattering secondary adamantium like tin. And it was against an upgraded Ultron.

We know he can damage Ultron with an uncharged hit, so what do you end up with at the end of the day? Holding back?

We know he can "slightly dent" adamantium with his "mightiest blow". We saw unSavage Hulk snap Ultron's neck with a punch (assuming it hasn't been retconned into Secondary Adamantium).

So basically Thor has never damaged Adamantium Ultron?

Originally posted by zopzop
Why would he hold back vs a murdering machine, it's not like it's alive. So that can't be it.

We know he can "slightly dent" adamantium with his "mightiest blow". We saw unSavage Hulk snap Ultron's neck with a punch (assuming it hasn't been retconned into Secondary Adamantium).

So basically Thor has never damaged Adamantium Ultron?

Did you just ignore the full scan because Ultron's neck was bent? His neck was straight up afterwards, and then his neck was bent the other way when he fell apart.

Not to my knowledge. It's not a point though when we've seen him damage a likely thicker piece of material.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I have read it a long time ago too but it retconned ultron's entire history of being damaged as secondary adamantium ultrons IIRC.

This, the only instances adamantium being destroyed wasn't retconned was morlun and s'ym but morlun hasn't appeared since he's trapped fighting the undead and the s'ym incident occurred in limbo which leads me to believe it affected its physiology somehow

That arc never retconned shit.

All it might have retconned is previous Ultrons getting destroyed.

S'ym was an alternate reality, and Hulk did it since then too, as did Zeus' bird

Good to see you online Bran...always good to debate with ya but its not happening today. If you believe Thor did anything noticable to Nul, that's on you bro. I'm not discussing that fight again. Also, Hulk denting Ultron gave the opportunity for Wasp to go inside of him and mess up some stuff. No matter how dent his neck was, Hulk punched messed him up.

As for the retcon, never happened...I'm trying so hard not to say anything out of the way about ABHI but it can be difficult at times.

If you want to discuss the Nul topic again Bran, we can do this via PM. Let me know bro. I also agree with your interpretation of Thor and Morlun...never said Morlun was above Thor physically, said there could be possibilities.

Originally posted by carver9
Good to see you online Bran...always good to debate with ya but its not happening today. If you believe Thor did anything noticable to Nul, that's on you bro. I'm not discussing that fight again. Also, Hulk denting Ultron gave the opportunity for Wasp to go inside of him and mess up some stuff. No matter how dent his neck was, Hulk punched messed him up.

As for the retcon, never happened...I'm trying so hard not to say anything out of the way about ABHI but it can be difficult at times.

If you want to discuss the Nul topic again Bran, we can do this via PM. Let me know bro. I also agree with your interpretation of Thor and Morlun...never said Morlun was above Thor physically, said there could be possibilities.

No, the retcon never happened. However, the same Ultron that Hulk dented, was the one that Wonder Man ****ing shook to death and crushed his head.
http://i40.tinypic.com/2mh6k9.jpg

So that one's kind of questionable to say the least...

You really want to discuss things with me in the unreportable realm of PMs? That'll go over well.

Lol...Bran, I think I know you enough to know what to expect in a message from you. That's the only way I'm debating this. This thread doesn't have a thing to do with Hulk.

Hulk talk is far better than talking about how badly Morlun tears Thing and Colossus in half.

Also, you started the Hulk talk

I did?

Originally posted by curryman
yeah, as far as I remember there are at least 2-3 incidents where Spidey's survived/semi-dodged some hits from the Hulk. I just thought don't want to entertain the notion that Morlun might actually be stronger than Thor or Hulk 😛

Originally posted by carver9
Morlun should be able to give both Thor and Hulk decent fights...wouldn't say he is as strong as either though.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He doesn't have to be though seeing as his durability seems much higher.

Originally posted by carver9
Debatable...everything he did/done, Hulk did it 2 times over. I think he will give anyone in the Herald tier a good fight...an amazing fight.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk broke adamantium only while being amped. Worthy WWH. Everything else was either secondary adamantium or adamantium alloy sh*t.

Either way Carver, Hulk is not in this thread - Colossus and Thing are. And they are far less powerful, neither of them even capable of breaking secondary adamantium, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...ripping Adamantium like tissue paper should be enough proof that he is either on or above Thor. Not a single Herald in Marvel has damaged Adamantium, especially as easily as Morlun did. It's pretty clear what the writer intention was when he compared Morlun strength to the strongest character on the planet. No way of denying this. Now the dispute is...has Parker ever felt the punch of an angry Hulk?

Why I'm on this topic...Stiltman, didn't forget about you bro. Classic Ultron was made out of Primary Adamantium and Hulk one punched him denting his shell so that wasp can enter.

You're the cause Carver. The cause. I hope you feel bad about yourself.

You're flip-flopping Mac, that's what democrats do!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hulk talk is far better than talking about how badly Morlun tears Thing and Colossus in half.

unlike this thread, that is debatable. sneer

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That arc never retconned shit.

All it might have retconned is previous Ultrons getting destroyed.

S'ym was an alternate reality, and Hulk did it since then too, as did Zeus' bird

Iirc s'ym was 616 limbo and where did it state it was true adamantium?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Iirc s'ym was 616 limbo and where did it state it was true adamantium?

Where did it mention Morlun tore true adamantium? You see the problem that arises with questioning one feat over the others?
Either all are adamantium, or all are questionable.

But I will state that none were specifically secondary adamantium. Which has been the case since.