Who is more powerful, Odin or Mordu?

Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus beat Odin, but he did not 'humiliate' him by any means. The Celestials also beat Odin /w/ Destroyer, but several members of the 4th Host(each one is a universal power, mind you) attacked him simultaneously. Obviously Odin isn't going to outdo that many cosmic beings ganging up on him. Hell, Franklin Richards(also a universal power) could barely contend with 3 Celestials-- let alone an entire Host. :/

So I guess my question is: which cosmics have legitimately 'humiliated' Odin in a battle, iyo?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If Spectre came to Asgard and Odin absorbed power from all his relics and whatnot, he'd give at least as good of a fight as Shazam did.

Originally posted by curryman
So a Shazam at normal power would be somewhere around abstract then?

Seeing as he beat a Spectre who is obviously way, way above 5D imps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. He's a solid skyfather and a peer of Odin. If they ever crossed paths, it would be a great battle and either could win.

Then what was your point?

If he's stronger than someone who's CLEARLY beyond 5D imps, which is what you brought up, then he's much more powerful than a skyfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A nearly powerless shazam beat spectre who treated a 5-d imp like a joke. Shazam is certainly in the same tier as Odin and is certainly a peer to him.

Originally posted by curryman
Seeing as he beat a Spectre who is obviously way, way above 5D imps.

As powerful as Thunderbolt is, he jobs. It's an outlier, not a sign of Mordru's superiority.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. They freed him after they aged those life-forms to dust. Spectre was defeated and imprisoned on that rock, doesn't means he was lowballed. Its a 5-d imp ffs. Quintessence said that those two had a fight.

No, its from JSA 49-50. Jakeem says hit mordru untill he says no and then orders T-bolt to bring mordru to his place of power to contain him.

What? Re-read the scene:

I don't see the two even doing anything at all as Spectre breaks free. And it's even said that the Spectre shakes off his chains. Unless that rock contained some specific properties that negatively affected the Spectre, it is a horrible showing. However, I think it's pretty clear that the life on that thing was the real prison, which Odin can easily replicate. Where?

So what makes you think the Thunderbolt could fight back then? He had his order, imprison Mordru. He did, and probably got beat up without even being able to fight back.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If Spectre came to Asgard and Odin absorbed power from all his relics and whatnot, he'd give at least as good of a fight as Shazam did.

That wasn't much of a fight imo. Spectre really stomped.
I do agree Odin could perform at least as well tho.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's outright humiliating. Doomlactus oneshotted him IIRC.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Re-read the scene:

I don't see the two even doing anything at all as Spectre breaks free. And it's even said that the Spectre shakes off his chains. Unless that rock contained some specific properties that negatively affected the Spectre, it is a horrible showing. However, I think it's pretty clear that the life on that thing was the real prison, which Odin can easily replicate. Where?

So what makes you think the Thunderbolt could fight back then? He had his order, imprison Mordru. He did, and probably got beat up without even being able to fight back.

No, jakeen didn't ask T-bolt to stop fighting. He just said to take mordru to his own place of power to fight and there were sign of fighting taking place in the pen.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lawl @ odin imprisoning spectre. That pussy couldn't even beat that purple jobber..

Is this a serious argument?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. 5-D magic has certain rules to break the magic. Lz made the world so whoever wanted to free the spectre had to kill the whole world to free the spectre. Spectre failing to break the magic which was specifically stated to be the cause of his imprisonment isn't a low showing. The world was just the placement of his imprisonment, not the imprisonment itself. Lawl @ odin imprisoning spectre. That pussy couldn't even beat that purple jobber.

No, jakeen didn't ask T-bolt to stop fighting. He just said to take mordru to his own place of power to fight and there were sign of fighting taking place in the pen.

Not really what? Spectre immediately broke free when the inhabitants of that world were dead, either not wanting to kill that life was holding him there or it was one major coincidence, but I don't really believe in those to explain away such a situation. Where are you getting all of this from? It was said Spectre was imprisonment in a thousand mile long rock near the walls of creation or whatever.

What's so funny? Odin can definitely replicate the circumstances of the Spectre's imprisonment. Many entities can. Also, where was it said that the two fought and Spectre lost?

You are taking a lot of liberties with how the Thunderbolt works imo. He gave a command to hit Mordru and he did so. He then told him to imprison Mordru and it happened. From everything I've seen from the Thunderbolt, he's like a directed missile following his latest imputed command.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not really what? Spectre immediately broke free when the inhabitants of that world were dead, either not wanting to kill that life was holding him there or it was one major coincidence, but I don't really believe in those to explain away such a situation. Where are you getting all of this from? It was said Spectre was imprisonment in a thousand mile long rock near the walls of creation or whatever.

What's so funny? Odin can definitely replicate the circumstances of the Spectre's imprisonment. Many entities can. Also, where was it said that the two fought and Spectre lost?

You are taking a lot of liberties with how the Thunderbolt works imo. He gave a command to hit Mordru and he did so. He then told him to imprison Mordru and it happened. From everything I've seen from the Thunderbolt, he's like a directed missile following his latest imputed command.

What is laughable that you think Odin can replicate a 5-d imp's feat. I'm not even going to respond to that. Quintessence implied it and angels of pax-dei too.

Jakeem said "Hit mordru till I say no" and there was sign of a fight after bolt took mordru in the pen. You are being purposely obtuse here.

Bump

abhi's on a necro-bumping spree. ohhh

Mordru takes this decisively, though.

Bump

Originally posted by SevenShackles
If this is about base power levels then Odin wins. Mordu has the potential to eventually reach higher power output threw absorption but both under their own power puts Mordu under Odin.

I would say if Mordru lasts long enough in battle he has the potential to absorb enough energy to equal Odin. He isnt his level though. I fail to see how he would absorb more when all he has to absorb is Odin

Mordru is about to get a huge push.

Originally posted by beatboks
I would say if Mordru lasts long enough in battle he has the potential to absorb enough energy to equal Odin. He isnt his level though. I fail to see how he would absorb more when all he has to absorb is Odin

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why is he not on Odin's level again?

While Odin only has a few Galaxy level feats all those that Mordru has are after absorbing external power sources to amp. His above galaxy level feats are also from this (like he and Glorith each absorbing half Infinite man and having the power to destroy a universe).

I dont count externally powered feats in a debate. Just as I dont count feats where a character is possessed by a more powerful one as theirs. As you'd be aware I'm a fan of Arion but rate his power much lower than most because I dont include feats where he's
1. Possessed by Mordru
2. Possessed by Morgane Le fey
3. In possession of artifacts he only possessed for a few stories.

There's context behind Mordru's best feats that IMHO dont make them his to own.

Originally posted by beatboks
While Odin only has a few Galaxy level feats all those that Mordru has are after absorbing external power sources to amp. His above galaxy level feats are also from this (like he and Glorith each absorbing half Infinite man and having the power to destroy a universe).

Odin doesn't has any solo galactic level feats. Mordru has however.

Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.

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Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.

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Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.

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Beastly.

This was done for Mordru to gain his full power as he was weakened. Not to mention, his followers shrouded entire universe in darkness and it was stated to be less power than Mordru possesses.

Originally posted by abhilegend
After Mordru was drained by Darkseid, his followers engulfed entire universe in darkness to drain the magic from the universe and revive Mordru. White Witch even states that the power which was used is far weaker than Mordru's.

****ing insane.

I dont count externally powered feats in a debate. Just as I dont count feats where a character is possessed by a more powerful one as theirs. As you'd be aware I'm a fan of Arion but rate his power much lower than most because I dont include feats where he's
1. Possessed by Mordru
2. Possessed by Morgane Le fey
3. In possession of artifacts he only possessed for a few stories.

There's context behind Mordru's best feats that IMHO dont make them his to own. [/B]

So maybe you're not aware about Mordru's feats.

good bump. will look at this more closely later.