Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've come to the conclusion Abhilgend just throws shit at the wall when debating. He literally just jumps from one point to the other, in an attempt to confuse you with sheer stupidity.
Not always.
When I debated ODG, Bran, Leo, Smurph, yourself, or even...Carver there would disagreement. Maybe some confusion. Even name calling, but there was consistency. We would often go on tangents, maybe lose what we're talking about originally because we found something new to disagree about, but there would be a....flow.
Originally posted by beatboks
The sorcerers drained an amped Mordru. One who had absorbed sorcerers world.
Wut? That's Mordru's default power level.
Its a simple enough thing to prove. Simply show Mordru at this level when he HASN'T absorbed any power from anywhere else. He has almost zero feats without outside absorbed power in any era.
Why would I need to do that when the comic specifically states that this was his full power returning abd he wasn't amped.
Vs the JSA in his first fight when Hecter 1st became Fate he had killed and absorbed the power of many lords of order and Chaos and used this power to kill Jarred (fate) to release and recreate the artifacts of Fate.
He killed lords of order and chaos but wasn't absorbing power from them.
Again vs them he absorbed the starheart and another fight the vestments of Fate themselves.
He had taken over Hector's body only. It wasn't an amp.
Vs Shazam on ROE he absorbed power of ROE.
Never happened.
Absorbed sorcerers world, half the magic in the universe, the power of Arion, the power of the gem world sorcerer he bonded to his own soul.
He only took over Arion's body, was never stated or shown to be amped.
I'm not saying he wouldnt win in a fight. Of he last long enough he will absorb enough of Odin's power to close the SMALL disparity between his and Odins and gain a power edge. The fact is when he possessed Arion he also stated he once had much greater power BUT he has no showings of this
You've obviously made your mind and now are just twisting facts to suit your own views.
He is absolutely at least as powerful as Odin. I mean seriously, this is just garbage.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]1) That scan said withdrawing the Odinsword would "render the fabric of Infinity." not "only Asgard will die".
If by "render the fabric of Infinity" you mean that he would die, sure.
2) That entire retelling by the Odin-eye and the retcon that Asgard was only 2000 years old in the current interpretation was immediately retconned and cast into doubt by Walter Simonson when he took over Roy Thomas when Buri recounted the origin of the Odin Force. So in fact, YOUR scan was re-retconned. 😂
But the origin of Odinsword was never changed and that's why Ragnarok cycles were invented to explain the inconsistency in Asgardian history.
You think Legion history is messed up? Thor's history is pretty much shit.
3) Whether the Odinsword can destroy the entire Marvel Universe by being unsheathed or not is beside the point. YOU argued that it was the reason the Universe was in peril. If the Odinsword being unsheathed did not imperil the Universe, then clearly the fight with Odin and Infinity did so.
It's only indicator to asgardian ragnarok after it was retconned.
But hey, show us where it actually destroyed the universe. Because as Leo said, narration means nothing without feats on panel.
If you want to lie and be obtuse, that's fine, but please stick to conversing with the ignorant and the lazy. Why the f*ck are you trying to bullshit me on the intricacies of Thor's history?
😐 [/B]
Because you're yourself deluded over Thor's history.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? That's Mordru's default power level.Why would I need to do that when the comic specifically states that this was his full power returning abd he wasn't amped.
He killed lords of order and chaos but wasn't absorbing power from them.
Its always amusing. In one breath you quote what it says on panel (when contradicted elsewhere in the story) and then claim something "stated on panel never happened.
Here its stated on panel he did absorb their power.
just im case there was any doubt which dark lord we were referring to he showed up to stom JSA thwarting him at the end of the same issue (JSA 2)
He had taken over Hector's body only. It wasn't an amp.
Second time he was in his own body wearing the vestments. He took over Kent V later (and was still amped by it if marginally)
ever happened.
That would be like he never absorbed the power of the lords he killed right.
He only took over Arion's body, was never stated or shown to be amped.
OHHH that would ve why as soon as Arion's spirit was able to sever his connection to his body Mordru was weakened enough for the JSA to beat, right? Of course weve had this discussion before on ICT and you'll never concede the point even if I do post the scans
You've obviously made your mind and now are just twisting facts to suit your own views.He is absolutely at least as powerful as Odin. I mean seriously, this is just garbage.
I'm a fan of Mordru along with Brainwave, Ultra and Per Degaton he's one of my favorite villains (the 4 that give the JSA the hardest time). I just try to keep my fanboyism out of how I judge these things unlike some
not fully reading this thread,just about that jsa part i have different understanding
mordru killed those agents and absorbing them power,but later mordru obtained these power didnt vanish or something iirc,so i perspective is mordru power upgraded,not amped.
and also hourman use time-vision to mordru,he attempt devolve mordru to an age he is not so powerful,and not working.find out mordrus timeline neither have beginning nor an end.so this maybe implied this is mordru supposed be power
of course,this just my personal thought
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Originally posted by abhilegend
If by "render the fabric of Infinity" you mean that he would die, sure.But the origin of Odinsword was never changed and that's why Ragnarok cycles were invented to explain the inconsistency in Asgardian history.
You think Legion history is messed up? Thor's history is pretty much shit.
It's only indicator to asgardian ragnarok after it was retconned.
But hey, show us where it actually destroyed the universe. Because as Leo said, narration means nothing without feats on panel.
Because you're yourself deluded over Thor's history.
No, render the fabric of infinity means render the fabric of infinity. Why did you post the Odin scan when it completely disproves you and at the same breath, arguing it supports you? We can read.
The entire story told the Odin eye was cast into doubt. The Odin-Sword creation was part of this new retcon, that the Gods of Asgard are remade every 2000 years that was promptly revoked by Walter Simonson. You are posting irrelevant scans.
Also, what was the purpose of the Siegfried scans? Are you just posting scans to make it seem like you have evidence? It has nothing to do with what we are arguing.
P.S. Yes, the Over-Sword, when withdrawn by anyone who is not All-Father, causes the destruction of the Universe:
But, this has NOTHING to do with the original point I made. That you were full on lying.
I only rejoined this exercise in futility because of this.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin doesn't has any solo galactic level feats.
He's been shown that it was an absolutley false claim. What can only follow are misrepresentations and red herrings that will lead to convulted rabbit holes. He's literally going to throw out anything and everything even to the point where he will literally contradict himself in the same post.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that's what it says there and in Infinity's handbook entry too. You don't like it? Couldn't care less.
is your english reading tutor on vacation? it literally says, in black and white:
HELA WITHDREW THE SLIVER OF INFINITY THAT HE PREVIOUSLY ABSORBED.
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where in the infinity handbook entry, does it contradict this fact? post the scan showing the contradiction.
is it a language thing? here it is in hindi, just in case:
हेलो ने पहले ही सूचना के माध्यम से जानकारी प्राप्त की थी
maybe it's clear now....? 😕
odin, with only part of his power, battled against a portion of infinity (and perhaps his own power) for multiple pages across multiple issues and won.
did he regain the portion of infinity's powers that hela withdrew to reset the worlds? unclear and never elaborated on. here is the end of the battle:
it seems reasonable to say he regained whatever part of himself that hela withdrew, but did he reabsorb infinity's power? i dunno. if he did, you should be able to pretty easily show us where he then LOST it again. or did he just keep it and STILL has it? again, have fun proving that. 👆
the retcon was stupid and not thought out, or adequately expanded on. what IS crystal clear though was that the power of infinity was pulled OUT of him by hela, and THAT was what a weakened odin battle against. any other representation is utterly false and if you insist on trying to reinvent the narrative, i will report you. this is the hill I'LL die on.
Odin absorbed the Infinity's power and then restored planets.
like i said, if he did indeed reabsorb infinity's power (as you insist) at the end to restructure the damage done to the universe, i guess you think he still HAS said power? if not, i'm sure you can show us where he lost this power after using it to fix the worlds that were enslaved and damaged?
and who cares anyway? he still, WHILE WEAKENED, fought and DEFEATED a part of infinity+his own power. it's a GREAT feat, no matter how you try and reinvent the story.
for those who want the true story: what appears to have happened based on the retcon was that odin defeated infinity, somehow reclaimed his OWN power, and drove off the part of infinity he (inexplicably) tapped....somehow, at some point. i've even seen it said that HELA tapped infinity FOR odin. the whole thing is asinine. such a terrible retcon....
Right, it was only enough to destroy a few planets.
you and the lowballing.
it tore away the fabric of the universe.
it was also the size of a galaxy. it did only engulf worlds--but it engulfed a LOT of worlds, and was only increasing in speed. it also completely enslaved those worlds and was ultimately going to destroy or enslave the universe. THAT was also crystal clear throughout.
Odinsword never destroyed any universe when it was drawn from its scabbard. It was removed because Asgard's ragnarok was coming.
who said it destroyed a universe....? 😕
it was coming free as an indication that the universe--and asgard along with it, hence the idea of ragnarok--were ready to die:
"it tells that doom is near!"
the "doom" was infinity and the fact that the universe was endangered. how could it be more clear? if you think the sword was reflecting something OTHER than the impending death of the universe resulting from infinity's destruction, it should be easy to show the sword coming unsheathed AFTER the conclusion of the arc, right? i'll wait to see the scans.
Infinity only destroyed a few planets, that's a fact. Universal threat? Pretty much every cosmic villain ever has been called a universal threat.
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what a horrendous and desperate defense, again worth reporting for the sheer trolling. don't think i've ever seen such blatant handwaving. it was called a universal threat because it WAS a universal threat as shown by the odinsword and the fact that the impending destruction of the universe was repeated half a dozen times at least throughout the 5 book arc!
Stop wasting my time if this is the best you can do. I expected better but alas, you're verging on being Rage level fanboyism. [/B]
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you resort to--"all cosmic villains are called universal threats!!1!" as an argument, but I'M the one who needs to do better? jfc, you really have lost it.
of course none of this essay does anything to prove mordru is as powerful as odin.
the infinity feat isn't even odin's best anyway--tearing the 10th world free and hiding it away from EVERYONE is even better imo. the fact that he hid an entire universe inside a HUT is a staggering display of casual power (and easily matches the nabu feat of a universe in an amulet.....) but again, tearing a universe free and hiding it in a hut isn't even a 'galactic' (such a stupid term and gauge....) level feat amirite??
fighting seth on every plane of existence simultaneously is also impressive, forgetting the whole shaking the universe thing. also pretty impressive how he effortlessly, and while on earth, nullified mephisto's power over thundertrike.
this whole thing started because i wasn't sure if mordru was a skyfather in terms of power. i think he probably is, despite the distinct lack of feats shown here, but he's certainly not above that imo and nothing in this thread has shown he is as powerful as odin.
if you disagree, feel free to post feats to match each of the ones i mentioned above. 👆
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I only rejoined this exercise in futility because of this.He's been shown that it was an absolutley false claim. What can only follow are misrepresentations and red herrings that will lead to convulted rabbit holes. He's literally going to throw out anything and everything even to the point where he will literally contradict himself in the same post.
yeah, one of the best things coming from this thread--and the last few threads he's really 'debated' in--is that people are really getting the chance to see just how terribly he twists a narrative to force fit his agendas and anti-fanboyism. 👆
Originally posted by leonidasAnother takeaway from this thread: old man leo's about as racist as they come. Good lord.
is it a language thing? here it is in hindi, just in case:हेलो ने पहले ही सूचना के माध्यम से जानकारी प्राप्त की थी
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