Who is more powerful, Odin or Mordu?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, how can this be compared to Odin whose combined power with Zeus and Vishnu had the power to move a world.

He has confirmed destroying a planet is immeasurable power even to him.

https://i.postimg.cc/FHYxBmKg/image.jpg

He has died powering a planet's defenses for one week.

https://s6.postimg.cc/pt5hp3drl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/puffiifld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7b154uvzl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1f2m8os1/image.jpg

*GASP*

took longer than i thought for you to resort to your USUAL level of lowballing. lol

If you think Odin is galaxy level on consistent basis, you're delusional just like the rest of Thorbags.

he has feats across eras depicting it.

Amethyst is a proper Lord of Order (a race of skyfather level beings) and you think this is just a teambuster level feat, eh?

😂

at his greatest power level ever he was using star level powa! welcome to the johnny storm, proxima midnight and firelord tier! lol

"Dead galaxies" and one time only. Otherwise he is star level at best.

and vs infinity.

Mordru has shown galactic/universal level power at least 5 times in 100 odd appearances. Odin has shown it once/twice in 1000+ appearances.

SHOW THEM. and nice lowballing.

Still nothing from Odin which even remotely matches Mordru's feats.

so we have a heavily prepped and assisted galaxy-wide feat, and an off-panel feat.

yup, you are slaying this thread. 👆

this is really fun, btw. i'll get to your newest scans later on. can't wait. 🙂

In regards to the Heven feat, he not only tore it away and sealed it from the rest of the other realms, he wiped it off from memory. Hence why no one even knew it ever existed(save for Freya of course). That was really an impressive thing he did all in all.

Abhi railing against the "galactic" (sounds silly i know) feat with motherstorm is useless. This was >>>>>>> by orders of magnitude.

Originally posted by leonidas
let's but through all your bullsh!t. all the idiocy that follows this bit is drivel. the quasar scan confirms odin was tapping infinity--no one has denied this. he was. the quasar scan does NOT contradict the CURRENT bios which ACCOUNT for infinity's part. infinity's power was WITHDRAWN from him by hela. confirmed in black and white, in multiple CURRENT sources.

But Quasar's comic trumps any handbook as comics>>>>handbook. It is also supported by what's shown in master edition of the handbook.

All you have is handbook entries which you yourself have rejected previously because it is not supported by comics.

but enough of your blatant stupidity. i'm happy to ask a mod to rule on this issue. if they rule in my favor, you agree to a voluntary ban. the issue is simple--in the forum, do we accept current info (that does NOT contradict what was shown in that quasar issue) or do we accept info that is 30 years old and doesn't even reflect accurately what took place in the original source material?

Sure, let's ask Galan.

i'll pm galan. bada or pr right now to render a ruling if you agree. simple enough for you?

Let's ask Galan if this feat is viable for Odin.

Originally posted by leonidas
this is staggering.... you...can't be serious here. the spells may have been similar, but you can't say they are the same--because they were....DIFFERENT. 😂

How the **** was it different when Loki straight up says its the same?

and guess what happens when i interrupt an electrical circuit?? the flow of electricity STOPS! 😱 know why? because the circuit is no longer connected! the pieces are (say it with me.....) SEPARATED!! that's what odin did. tore the universe from the tree, cast it into the void and hid it from EVERYONE, for 1000s of years.

Haha, what the ****? If Heven was cast into void, away from Yggdrasil, how the **** was it found in space between realms and Loki specifically finds it on the map of world tree.

From Loki Agent of Asgard 5 and Original Sin Thor and Loki 1.

Also Thor and Loki went on to find it between the borders of the realms.

Let me guess, the void was on the world tree?

just because you can't understand it doesn't mean you get to dismiss the feat.

Bwahaha, this is just priceless.

[b]show me making the box!

wait, you can't? so it happened off panel?! no way..... so we have no idea how much prep or help he had making them??

shocking. 😐

Haha, what the ****? Kent V Nelson straight up says that Mordru fired nearly a dozen spells instantly.

But yeah, prep was involved. Because you say so.

and a non-feat without specific context. an off panel feat>>>>>impressive than odin, unaided, ripping a universe free and hiding it away! oh yeah. and the best part: the odin force was so powerful, that the curse he levelled was powerful enough to power the whole UNIVERSE of heven!

https://imgur.com/a/bNQrMPV

Odin merely hid the city of heven, that's why Loki found it on the map of Yggdrasil. There is not a universe in there, it doesn't even have any suns unlike the dimensions Mordru created.

That floating city is the entirety of Heven. Yes, Odin powered a city for hundreds of years. Nice feat I guess.

it was their engine for 1000s of years. yeah, mordru's prepped and aided raising the dead feat is much better.

What aid? I ****ing showed you it was all Mordru and you're still trolling?

But hey a city is much more bigger than a ****ing Galaxy, amiright?

the rest of the post is typical abhi excuses for what is clearly a prepped and aided feat of raising the dead. it's all his power!

Haha, the comic straight up shows that but it's not viable.

Good, good.

yeah that's why the coven was there, that's why lackeys spy for him and ready....volcanoes for when he fails.

What are you talking about here now?

and why at the greatest he's ever been, he ko's himself because of the universal level devilon!

Devilon has knocked out Glorith as well when she had Trapper's power. It was literally his power to reflect any energy attack back on the attacker.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Legion-of-Super-Heroes-1989/Issue-53?id=43604

Let me see that sweet lowballing of Time Trapper too.

you're making this too easy and killing actual fans of this character with your idiocy. [/B]

Haha, like you ****ing care.

Originally posted by leonidas
took longer than i thought for you to resort to your USUAL level of lowballing. lol

Right, when you do it, its "debating" but when I do it, its 'lowballing".

he has feats across eras depicting it.

I'm still waiting for those feats Thorbag.

😂

at his greatest power level ever he was using star level powa! welcome to the johnny storm, proxima midnight and firelord tier! lol

It's still above Odin, Vishnu and Zeus. And Mordru is weaker the more he ages.

and vs infinity.

Amped literally by Infinity.

SHOW THEM. and nice lowballing.

I already did.

so we have a heavily prepped and assisted galaxy-wide feat, and an off-panel feat.

Right, Mordru raised dead across the galaxy at less than full power. Odin could barely raise Thor and Valkyrie at full power.

Off panel? The dimensions were shown on panel. I will report you for trolling at this point. What's off panel? Mordru showed up, fired a dozen spells instantly which created those dimensions.

What prep are you talking about here? This is carver level honestly.

yup, you are slaying this thread. 👆

Indeed I am. Look where Heven is shown.

That looks like void to you? That's Earth in background you moron and other planets are shown in the background as well.

Congrats, Odin hid a city and powered it up.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In regards to the Heven feat, he not only tore it away and sealed it from the rest of the other realms, he wiped it off from memory. Hence why no one even knew it ever existed(save for Freya of course). That was really an impressive thing he did all in all.

Abhi railing against the "galactic" (sounds silly i know) feat with motherstorm is useless. This was >>>>>>> by orders of magnitude.

From Loki Agent of Asgard 5 and Original Sin Thor and Loki 1.

Also Thor and Loki went on to find it between the borders of the realms.

Let me guess, the void was on the world tree?

Haha, beating Mother Storm is above galactic level. Sure, let's see how much damage half part of Thunderbolt can do.

Yeah, just imprisoned Spectre and threatened to destroy 3rd dimension by clashing in 5th dimension.

Let's see Mordru vs Thunderbolt in his own place of power.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40534957/MordruThunderbolt1.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/40534958/MordruThunderbolt2.jpg.html

Yep, no big deal. Mordru only defeated a 5 D imp. Nothing compared to mother storm.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what the ****? If Heven was cast into void, away from Yggdrasil, how the **** was it found in space between realms and Loki specifically finds it on the map of world tree.

From Loki Agent of Asgard 5 and Original Sin Thor and Loki 1.

Also Thor and Loki went on to find it between the borders of the realms.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FF07-6TXzSw/U71u2IQGiEI/AAAAAAAD-O8/EBp7BHU4KN8/s1600/-016.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yjDG4rVXUy0/U71u2Ye4yFI/AAAAAAAD-PA/xVHJftcy774/s1600/-017.jpg

Let me guess, the void was on the world tree?

Haha, beating Mother Storm is above galactic level.

Angela herself before the random warping of space that brought her to the main marvel universe was off hunting in a random planet.
http://oi57.tinypic.com/1ffypu.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2dlsuih.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/28v4kt1.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/vdhmo8.jpg

Here's a few more of her travels within their universe like traveling to different kingdoms, breaking the "moons of Khali-247", and a host of other things.

After Thor broke Odin's barrier, Old Man Loki nudged her back into her "universe". It was separate from the main marvel universe.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/fnwwp2.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/4sz9ud.jpg

And what is this about Motherstorm being above galactic level? R u strawmanning again?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Heven was cut off from the other realms. Meaning, its connection to Yggdrasil was severed.

As per Thor and Loki Tenth Realm it was only sealed. Angela Asgard's assassin retconned it as Odin banishing city of heven itself to another dimension and then heven returned to its proper dimension when Thor and Loki broke the seal.

Also just to correct you on your earlier misguided comments, it wasn't just Heven proper which was cut off. It was the fully functioning universe that was sealed away. When Odin cut off Heven from the other realms, the Angels still lived their lives within the confines of their universe. They just couldn't travel to and fro to the other realms.

Angela herself before the random warping of space that brought her to the main marvel universe was off hunting in a random planet.
http://oi57.tinypic.com/1ffypu.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2dlsuih.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/28v4kt1.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/vdhmo8.jpg

So many lies. Heven was banished to another dimension and from there it returned to main universe.

Read the very first page of Angela Asgard's assassin.

Here's a few more of her travels within their universe like traveling to different kingdoms, breaking the "moons of Khali-247", and a host of other things.

It's like you don't even read your own scans.

"Odin unleashed a vicious wind that swept us to the ragged edge of the universe, to the endworlds, even there we found life".

That scan also shows the size of heven as a floating city.

After Thor broke Odin's barrier, Old Man Loki nudged her back into her "universe". It was separate from the main marvel universe.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/fnwwp2.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/4sz9ud.jpg

😂

You can't read shit, it's proven by now.

And what is this about Motherstorm being above galactic level? R u strawmanning again?

Isn't that what you and Leo are talking about?

Not to mention Angela: Queen of Hel 1 further retconned it and now it was Freyja who sundered Heven from World Tree.

😂

Thor's history is a mess.

Originally posted by leonidas
let's but through all your bullsh!t. all the idiocy that follows this bit is drivel. the quasar scan confirms odin was tapping infinity--no one has denied this. he was. the quasar scan does NOT contradict the CURRENT bios which ACCOUNT for infinity's part. infinity's power was WITHDRAWN from him by hela. confirmed in black and white, in multiple CURRENT sources.

but enough of your blatant stupidity. i'm happy to ask a mod to rule on this issue. if they rule in my favor, you agree to a voluntary ban. the issue is simple--in the forum, do we accept current info (that does NOT contradict what was shown in that quasar issue) or do we accept info that is 30 years old and doesn't even reflect accurately what took place in the original source material?

i'll pm galan. bada or pr right now to render a ruling if you agree. simple enough for you?

I haven't read everything here, but this is what the very link you posted as "the most current bio" says.

"Take note, True Believer! This crowd-sourced content has not yet been verified for accuracy by our erudite editors!
- MARVEL EDITORIAL STAFF"

Even if it turns out to be 100% accurate, Marvel themselves are saying it's crowd sources and has yet to be verified for accuracy......but you're criticizing Abhi for using official Marvel Handbooks because it's old.

sigh... the reason i quoted the marvel.com site is--first and foremost--because i was dumb enough to think it really WAS an OFFICIAL site, and not crowd-sourced, but more importantly because i knew it perfectly echoed the more recent handbook entry talking about infinity. and i know that because i have the hard copies and abhi forced me to dig through them to have a look at infinity's entry. so i googled part of the phrase about odin and the sliver and hela and guess what you find...? yeah, marvel.com. try it if you don't believe. /shrug

anyway, just for you, here is the e-version of the handbook with infinity's more recent bio:

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/All-New-Official-Handbook-of-the-Marvel-Universe-A-to-Z/Issue-5?id=81805#53

again, the pertinent info in infinity's entry: odin added a tiny sliver of infinity's power to his own, which were later stolen and corrupted by the asgardian death goddess hela.

sound familiar? i didn't even look far enough down the marvel.com page to note the crowd source, obviously. in this case though, the bio was taken directly from the much more current 2006 bio. if there exists a more current official bio for infinity that contradicts THIS entry, i'd love to see it and willingly drop the whole thing. but i know abhi was aware of the updated bio, and just chose to ignore it like he ignored celey's much more current scans.

and of course the bio i posted IS further corroborated by celey's summary scans.

so yeah. his scan is old and no longer relevant in any way at all. but thanks i guess for forcing me to dig a little deeper to further cement my point. 👆

i'll get to your stuff later abhi. can't wait. 👆

https://imgur.com/a/ZRzyIzd

in case some people can't open the link for whatever reason.

Originally posted by leonidas
sigh... the reason i quoted the marvel.com site is--first and foremost--because i was dumb enough to think it really WAS an OFFICIAL site, and not crowd-sourced, but more importantly because i knew it perfectly echoed the more recent handbook entry talking about infinity. and i know that because i have the hard copies and abhi forced me to dig through them to have a look at infinity's entry. so i googled part of the phrase about odin and the sliver and hela and guess what you find...? yeah, marvel.com. try it if you don't believe. /shrug

anyway, just for you, here is the e-version of the handbook with infinity's more recent bio:

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/All-New-Official-Handbook-of-the-Marvel-Universe-A-to-Z/Issue-5?id=81805#53

again, the pertinent info in infinity's entry: [b]odin added a tiny sliver of infinity's power to his own, which were later stolen and corrupted by the asgardian death goddess hela.

sound familiar? i didn't even look far enough down the marvel.com page to note the crowd source, obviously. in this case though, the bio was taken directly from the much more current 2006 bio. if there exists a more current official bio for infinity that contradicts THIS entry, i'd love to see it and willingly drop the whole thing. but i know abhi was aware of the updated bio, and just chose to ignore it like he ignored celey's much more current scans.

and of course the bio i posted IS further corroborated by celey's summary scans.

so yeah. his scan is old and no longer relevant in any way at all. but thanks i guess for forcing me to dig a little deeper to further cement my point. 👆

i'll get to your stuff later abhi. can't wait. 👆 [/B]

Hela removed the power of Infinity from Odin, Odin later absorbed it back before he repaired the damage which was explicitly only destroying planets.

😑

where does it say "odin later absorbed infinity back"?? it EXPLICITLY states odin drives infinity off.

and 😂 sure abhi, so odin on his own used his power to repair all the damaged planets. of course he did so while in asgard, and repaired all the damage in 616 while freeing everyone who had been enslaved as well.

but your concession is accepted. infinity was withdrawn, odin battled infinity with his own weakened power across multiple books and repaired all the damage done with his own power, from a different dimension. glad we finally agree. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend

He killed lords of order and chaos but wasn't absorbing power from them.__

I post a scan and

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was stealing power from the lords___

Consession accepted

Originally posted by abhilegend
He had taken over Hector's body only. It wasn't an amp.

I post another scan and

Originally posted by abhilegend

Haha, what? He never showed any power ups by Fate's vestments in princes of Darkness.

But I thought he only possessed Hectors body?
Another concession?
Do I really have to post the scan from issue 50 of JSA where Hector states he "felt what Mordru did with his power"?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was stealing power from the lords but it was never taken away from him. It would be an amp if it was ever taken away from him, he was permanently powered up. _

So please explain why he later needed to absorb more power to battle and do as well against rhe JSA as he did in that story?

A little history
In issues 1-4 of of JSA Mordru after having killed lords of order and Chaos (that you claimed he didnt and had to backpeddle on) casually stomped the JSA. Dealing with them like the snap of a finger. A simple spell was all it took to bring Alan Scot down

Then in issues 46- 51he needed the aid of Obsidian, and Eclipso as well as to take Fates Vestments to be able to operate on the same level he did in issues 1-4. Suddenly he couldnt stomp this team casually. If he still had the power hebhad in issues 1-4 as a permanent power up as you say WHY?

in the later series of Justice Society Alan was able to give him a lengthy battle alone.

The fact that he has later appearances at power levels below what he exhibited at the point he "absorbed this power" is a pretty clear indicator that these power ups weren't permanent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How the **** was it different when Loki straight up says its the same?

Haha, what the ****? If Heven was cast into void, away from Yggdrasil, how the **** was it found in space between realms and Loki specifically finds it on the map of world tree.

From Loki Agent of Asgard 5 and Original Sin Thor and Loki 1.

Also Thor and Loki went on to find it between the borders of the realms.

Let me guess, the void was on the world tree?

you are impossible. loki LITERALLY says--the void BETWEEN REALMS. as in--a place...NOT PART OF THE REALMS!! you know, the realms connected to the tree. wtf is sooooooooo hard for you to understand??! the narration and...everything else supports the fact that heven, it's own universe:

https://imgur.com/a/0L58M6K

but no, it's just a city, right? like people used to think asgard was just a city, with no space or anything. heven made planet destroying weapons (using odin's curse) because their whole universe consists of a city. 👆

Haha, what the ****? Kent V Nelson straight up says that Mordru fired nearly a dozen spells instantly.

But yeah, prep was involved. Because you say so.

off-panel feat, no context, meaningless. glad you agree. 👆

Odin merely hid the city of heven, that's why Loki found it on the map of Yggdrasil. There is not a universe in there, it doesn't even have any suns unlike the dimensions Mordru created.

😂

yeah, fully formed universe, torn from the tree AND hidden away.

keep writing your fan-fic though and highlighting how you build narratives to fit your lowballing.

What aid? I ****ing showed you it was all Mordru and you're still trolling?

you showed me jack sh!t. the book is crystal clear--he had his coven, he had that guy on the transmuters world help him, he had the saints, he had.....f***** CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR WHEN HIS PLANS WERE STOPPED! how the F*** can he have contingency plans in place and you still say he didn't need prep??

you are truly staggering in your blindness and inability to understand the nature of what is happening. you're so concerned with glomming on to any thing that looks like a feat you completely ignore the wider context of what is being shown.

Devilon has knocked out Glorith as well when she had Trapper's power. It was literally his power to reflect any energy attack back on the attacker.

bwhahah! i called it! now dev is a universal--multiversal?? power too! you're nothing if not predictable. 😂

Haha, like you ****ing care.

i actually DO care. the forum has been said--repeatedly--to be dc heavy nowadays, filled with dc fanboys. i happen to like dc better than current marvel overall, but you make it hard to like it, or defend it with your blatant over-the-top fanboyism for everything dc and your constant lowballing of everything marvel.

anyway, i'm done talking about that heven feat. people can decide on their own based on what they see. it's clear no matter how much concrete evidence you're shown you'll never change your mind because of what it would imply for a marvel character. rock yourself to sleep with your invented story. 👆 meanwhile....

galan, pr, bada--can we consider the fact that odin tore heven from the tree, hid it away then powered it with his curse for....however long it was hidden, a forum acceptable feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Right, when you do it, its "debating" but when I do it, its 'lowballing".

i love that you continuously confuse lowballing with context. 😂

It's still above Odin, Vishnu and Zeus. And Mordru is weaker the more he ages.

lol and remind me what a minor enchantment from odin on an axe did again....? mmm

Amped literally by Infinity.

dealt with and your concession was gracefully accepted. 👆

Off panel? The dimensions were shown on panel. I will report you for trolling at this point. What's off panel? Mordru showed up, fired a dozen spells instantly which created those dimensions.

i'm BEGGING you to call a mod regarding this feat. mordru is a known planner, schemer and has his own coven. but this OFF PANEL feat is supposed to be acceptable? lol PLEASE call a mod to rule on the viability of the feat.

What prep are you talking about here? This is carver level honestly.

he had prepared CONTINGENCY plans! 😂 when he spell for the white out was broken, what does he say:

https://imgur.com/a/182s5Qf

I WAS PREPARED FOR THIS EVENTUALITY!

how f****** deluded ARE you? how desperate for any feat can one person really be??

That looks like void to you? That's Earth in background you moron and other planets are shown in the background as well.

Congrats, Odin hid a city and powered it up. [/B]

you.....can NOT be this stupid. i refuse to believe it and have to chalk it up to pure trolling.

we literally SEE, in the scan following yours that you....oddly don't show--thor and loki EXITING the 616 universe/midgard and going through a portal to heven.

https://imgur.com/a/NFcKhKu

again, i'm done with your blatant lies. i've asked the mods to rule on the feat. i'll let them decide to live with whatever they say. this is clearly beyond you, as so much is.

Originally posted by beatboks
I post a scan and

Consession accepted

I post another scan and

But I thought he only possessed Hectors body?
Another concession?
Do I really have to post the scan from issue 50 of JSA where Hector states he "felt what Mordru did with his power"?

So please explain why he later needed to absorb more power to battle and do as well against rhe JSA as he did in that story?

A little history
In issues 1-4 of of JSA Mordru after having killed lords of order and Chaos (that you claimed he didnt and had to backpeddle on) casually stomped the JSA. Dealing with them like the snap of a finger. A simple spell was all it took to bring Alan Scot down

Then in issues 46- 51he needed the aid of Obsidian, and Eclipso as well as to take Fates Vestments to be able to operate on the same level he did in issues 1-4. Suddenly he couldnt stomp this team casually. If he still had the power hebhad in issues 1-4 as a permanent power up as you say WHY?

in the later series of Justice Society Alan was able to give him a lengthy battle alone.

The fact that he has later appearances at power levels below what he exhibited at the point he "absorbed this power" is a pretty clear indicator that these power ups weren't permanent.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention Angela: Queen of Hel 1 further retconned it and now it was Freyja who sundered Heven from World Tree.

😂

Thor's history is a mess.

now THAT is new and maybe important info. anyone know more about this or where it's from?