Originally posted by beatboks
Its always amusing. In one breath you quote what it says on panel (when contradicted elsewhere in the story) and then claim something "stated on panel never happened.
He was stealing power from the lords but it was never taken away from him. It would be an amp if it was ever taken away from him, he was permanently powered up. It was an explanation how he was more powerful than his appearance in Ametheyst.
Here its stated on panel he did absorb their power.
just im case there was any doubt which dark lord we were referring to he showed up to stom JSA thwarting him at the end of the same issue (JSA 2)
You're talking about his permanent power ups. You would have better luck trying to prove Odin is amped by Vill and Ve who died to create Odin power.
The first time he fought the JSA he camento take their vestments to obtain their power
Second time he was in his own body wearing the vestments. He took over Kent V later (and was still amped by it if marginally)
Haha, what? He never showed any power ups by Fate's vestments in princes of Darkness.
No, it wasn't amped by Kent V Nelson either.
That would be like he never absorbed the power of the lords he killed right.
It's a permanent power up. It was never taken from Mordru.
OHHH that would ve why as soon as Arion's spirit was able to sever his connection to his body Mordru was weakened enough for the JSA to beat, right? Of course weve had this discussion before on ICT and you'll never concede the point even if I do post the scans
Weakening someone is now proof of that being amped up? Seriously?
Yes, post the scans please.
I'm a fan of Mordru along with Brainwave, Ultra and Per Degaton he's one of my favorite villains (the 4 that give the JSA the hardest time). I just try to keep my fanboyism out of how I judge these things unlike some
Yeah right, why don't you post the proof of Mysa amping Mordru?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No, render the fabric of infinity means render the fabric of infinity. Why did you post the Odin scan when it completely disproves you and at the same breath, arguing it supports you? We can read.
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What? What does render the fabric of Infinity means regarding destruction of the universe?
The entire story told the Odin eye was cast into doubt. The Odin-Sword creation was part of this new retcon, that the Gods of Asgard are remade every 2000 years that was promptly revoked by Walter Simonson. You are posting irrelevant scans.
And it was again brought back by Roy Thomas, picked by Oeming and Fraction built it by showing dozens of ragnarok cycles throughout human history. Not to mention that the handbooks confirmed the ring was transformed into the Odinsword.
Also, what was the purpose of the Siegfried scans? Are you just posting scans to make it seem like you have evidence? It has nothing to do with what we are arguing.
It's about the curse on rhinegold (Odinsword) which makes it so that anyone picking it up without Odin's power is killed.
P.S. Yes, the Over-Sword, when withdrawn by anyone who is not All-Father, causes the destruction of the Universe:
But, this has [b]NOTHING to do with the original point I made. That you were full on lying. [/B]
Yep, post a scan which is already retconned. How original.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I only rejoined this exercise in futility because of this.He's been shown that it was an absolutley false claim. What can only follow are misrepresentations and red herrings that will lead to convulted rabbit holes. He's literally going to throw out anything and everything even to the point where he will literally contradict himself in the same post.
Where did you show any of that?
Originally posted by leonidas
is your english reading tutor on vacation? it literally says, in black and white:[b]HELA WITHDREW THE SLIVER OF INFINITY THAT HE PREVIOUSLY ABSORBED.
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where in the infinity handbook entry, does it contradict this fact? post the scan showing the contradiction.
is it a language thing? here it is in hindi, just in case:
हेलो ने पहले ही सूचना के माध्यम से जानकारी प्राप्त की थी
maybe it's clear now....?
You're being confused again, Odin was tapping in the power of Infinity throughout the arc and he was later stopped from merging with the manifestation of the power.
He was tapping into the power of Infinity inadvertently, it wasn't his conscious choice.
odin, with only part of his power, battled against a portion of infinity (and perhaps his own power) for multiple pages across multiple issues and won.
No, Odin was defeated by Infinity. Thor and the rest of the Asgard stopped him from merging with Infinity.
did he regain the portion of infinity's powers that hela withdrew to reset the worlds? unclear and never elaborated on. here is the end of the battle:
it seems reasonable to say he regained whatever part of himself that hela withdrew, but did he reabsorb infinity's power? i dunno. if he did, you should be able to pretty easily show us where he then LOST it again. or did he just keep it and STILL has it? again, have fun proving that. 👆
Already done, handbooks confirmed Odin tapped into the power of Infinity from Thor 184-188.
the retcon was stupid and not thought out, or adequately expanded on. what IS crystal clear though was that the power of infinity was pulled OUT of him by hela, and THAT was what a weakened odin battle against. any other representation is utterly false and if you insist on trying to reinvent the narrative, i will report you. this is the hill I'LL die on.
Sure, the retcon was stupid but it's what it is.
Heh, report me for what?
like i said, if he did indeed reabsorb infinity's power (as you insist) at the end to restructure the damage done to the universe, i guess you think he still HAS said power? if not, i'm sure you can show us where he lost this power after using it to fix the worlds that were enslaved and damaged?
No, because he stopped tapping into the power. You're acting like he broke a piece of Infinity power and added it into his own.
and who cares anyway? he still, WHILE WEAKENED, fought and DEFEATED a part of infinity+his own power. it's a GREAT feat, no matter how you try and reinvent the story.
While still tapping into Infinity's power.
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So emotional, it's not good for your health.
you and the lowballing.
it tore away the fabric of the universe.
it was also the size of a galaxy. it did only engulf worlds--but it engulfed a LOT of worlds, and was only increasing in speed. it also completely enslaved those worlds and was ultimately going to destroy or enslave the universe. THAT was also crystal clear throughout.
Haha, what?
Thor says "as if something has torn the fabric of the universe". Not exactly the most reliable thing when your very next scan says that the planets were not even destroyed.
Galaxy size? Mind pointing where? Because despite what Odin said, only planets were disappearing. One by one.
Stan Lee and his hyperbolic statements.
who said it destroyed a universe....? 😕
it was coming free as an indication that the universe--and asgard along with it, hence the idea of ragnarok--were ready to die:
"it tells that doom is near!"
Yep, destroying planets one by one means you destroy the universe.
Yep, no hyperbole there sir.
the "doom" was infinity and the fact that the universe was endangered. how could it be more clear? if you think the sword was reflecting something OTHER than the impending death of the universe resulting from infinity's destruction, it should be easy to show the sword coming unsheathed AFTER the conclusion of the arc, right? i'll wait to see the scans.
Like Infinity, the sword is also retconned. It signals Asgardian ragnarok/death of the person who wields it, not destruction of the universe.
Silly Leo, do you even read Thor?
Random trolling
Retconned my dear Leo, Odin was tapping into the power of Infinity and Odinsword signals Asgardian ragnarok/death of the person who wields it.
But hey, at least Odin destroyed planets. Revel in the feat Leo.
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you resort to--"all cosmic villains are called universal threats!!1!" as an argument, but I'M the one who needs to do better? jfc, you really have lost it.
of course none of this essay does anything to prove mordru is as powerful as odin.
And you call me trolling? All of the arguments wiped away because you said it?
Next time you waste my time like this, I will report you.
the infinity feat isn't even odin's best anyway--tearing the 10th world free and hiding it away from EVERYONE is even better imo.
Hence why when Thor broke the shield, Heven was connected to Yggdrasil again.
That's why when Thor shattered the seal, Tenth Realm was connected to the rest of the realms.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CEEhm7PvNlo/VAHo_j0Yx7I/AAAAAAAEp_g/Zr09Ee1zKYk/s1600/-004%2Bcopy.jpg
It was the same barrier Odin put on old Asgard.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dqBYGJwId9g/VAHpF1B7ENI/AAAAAAAEqAo/-7eKg8fBTJw/s1600/-013%2Bcopy.jpg
the fact that he hid an entire universe inside a HUT is a staggering display of casual power (and easily matches the nabu feat of a universe in an amulet.....) but again, tearing a universe free and hiding it in a hut isn't even a 'galactic' (such a stupid term and gauge....) level feat amirite??
Wut? The "universe" was Old Asgard, here is the full context of the scene.
You haven't even read the comic I see.
But if you want universes, here is Mordru creating seven pocket universes and hiding them in boxes.
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0m4bdsK/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/hhWXwVkJ/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/66DzwgwZ/image.jpg
fighting seth on every plane of existence simultaneously is also impressive, forgetting the whole shaking the universe thing. also pretty impressive how he effortlessly, and while on earth, nullified mephisto's power over thundertrike.
Yes, the same Seth who under the same writer was stomped by Thunderstrike with bloodaxe.
Right, not even Spectre could nullify Nabu's control over Kent and Inza's souls.
That should tell you how powerful Nabu/Mordru are.
this whole thing started because i wasn't sure if mordru was a skyfather in terms of power. i think he probably is, despite the distinct lack of feats shown here, but he's certainly not above that imo and nothing in this thread has shown he is as powerful as odin.
Haha, why don't you show something like this for Odin?
Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.
https://s6.postimg.cc/5lkpasx9t/LSH43-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/w827ww7sh/LSH43-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8v8rs4h2p/LSH44-07.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/3rhi3x5yp/LSH44-08.jpg
Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.
https://s6.postimg.cc/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg
Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.
https://s6.postimg.cc/6f2d0j9m9/LSH47-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/tuka5vtdd/LSH47-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/pmphx4rxt/LSH47-19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/pnzfqjtrl/LSH47-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/9e99nnj3l/LSH47-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/opj2o9gfl/LSH47-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ebrfmiagh/LSH47-23.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ft8akbptd/LSH47-24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/qilzcl1m9/LSH48-02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/n2yggrtrl/LSH48-03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ygkzrz4a9/LSH48-04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7mkw6hp4h/LSH48-05.jpg
Let me guess, actually warping entire universe and THEN making dead rise across the whole galaxy by a broken spell is not a galactic level feat.
You never even addressed it.
Nothing you posted is remotely impressive against what Mordru has done.
if you disagree, feel free to post feats to match each of the ones i mentioned above. [/B]
Already did.
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, one of the best things coming from this thread--and the last few threads he's really 'debated' in--is that people are really getting the chance to see just how terribly he twists a narrative to force fit his agendas and anti-fanboyism. 👆
You haven't read much Thor comics, you twist facts and post feats out of context but I'm doing it?
Seriously?
all right, i don't normally get into these large scale debates anymore but there is simply too much idiocy not to address. i'll confess to having taken a short cut at one point though, and being correctly called out on it though.
i expand later on. despite that, there is so much misinformation in abhi's posts that i felt i needed to reply to it. because of how he posts, it's required lengthy responses though so tl/dr is firmly in play. lol you've been warned....
Originally posted by abhilegend
You're being confused again, Odin was tapping in the power of Infinity throughout the arc and he was later stopped from merging with the manifestation of the power.He was tapping into the power of Infinity inadvertently, it wasn't his conscious choice.
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Nice bio. I now fully understand why you were reticent regarding the posting of that scan. That’s a bio from the master edition of the handbook. Notice the 3 little circles at the top. They came as individually wrapped packages of characters back in….1991! geezus!! You’re using a bio from almost 30 years ago to justify your stance!?? Why am I not surprised….. anyway, the scans celey showed is MUCH more recent. And THIS is marvel’s CURRENT bio as relates to infinity:
https://www.marvel.com/characters/infinity
the pertinent info: [b]Long ago the Asgardian all-father Odin added a tiny sliver of infinity's powers to his own powers, which were later stolen and corrupted by the Asgardian death-goddess Hela.
you really are unreal….
No, Odin was defeated by Infinity. Thor and the rest of the Asgard stopped him from merging with Infinity.
You’re partly right—odin was about to be beaten BECAUSE when he saw who infinity was, he stopped fighting and in his anguish, gave infinity the chance to take him over.
When the merger (infinity wanted to take over odin to return to its full power) was halted and odin understood what he was facing, odin literally ended the battle easily:
and now people know exactly what REALLY happened. Hela withdrew the abstract infinity’s power OUT of odin. Odin battled an aspect of abstract infinity+his own power for multiple issues. The infinity part of himself was an actual universal level threat and was indeed going to end the universe as was mentioned several times. In the end he defeated infinity easily. There is no mention of what happened to the abstract infinity’s powers afterward but marvel wants you to think it simply….went away after odin reabsorbed his own power back. Abhi can’t point to a time the power of infinity left odin (as he wants you to believe odin was still tapping it), nor can he explain away the CURRENT info.
Iow—he is blatantly lying and inventing a narrative of his own that will show odin in the poorest light. 👆
It’s worth looking at abhi’s 30 yr old bio though, because it’s valuable in the sense that it literally SHOWS you how adept he is at inventing his own narrative. Notice that in his posted bio, there is NO mention of odin using infinity’s power to undo the damage to the universe. In fact, the bio’s description ENDS with thor and the others interrupting the merger. It doesn’t even touch at all on the aftermath, leading us to believe infinity’s part in the arc ended with the stopping of the merger.
But not in abhi’s world. Lol
It also says ODIN used the power to create an “astronomical manifestation.” But of course, HELA created the manifestation, as seen on panel and mentioned in current bios. And you wonder why that ancient bio was updated. Ugh…..
I also really like how, earlier, abhi tries to twist a scan that says….nothing at all, really, to fit his invented narrative:
this scan is meaningless. It says odin tapped abstract infinity’s powers. That’s it. No context, no…nothing.
The retcon is terrible, does nothing really to reduce odin’s feat since he BEAT the infinity entity in the end and with his own power undid all the damage infinity did. It’s a great feat for odin, no matter how you want to interpret the retcon.
Heh, report me for what?
For knowingly using out-dated info to support an invented narrative? You think odin continued to tap infinity AFTER hela pulled it out of him?
SHOW A SCAN WHERE THE POWER OF INFINITY LEFT HIM then. SHOW PROOF HE HAD INFINITY’S POWER WHEN HE REFORMED THE DAMAGED UNIVERSE! Proof that doesn’t come from a 30 yr old bio.
Or admit you made your interpretation up deliberately.
Thor says "as if something has torn the fabric of the universe". Not exactly the most reliable thing when your very next scan says that the planets were not even destroyed.Galaxy size? Mind pointing where? Because despite what Odin said, only planets were disappearing. One by one.
Stan Lee and his hyperbolic statements.
Holy f***. MORE handwaving?? Again resorting to simply dismissing the word of a character ON PANEL.
Seriously, what the honest to gawd F*** do you think you’re doing? You can laugh at the language of these silver age stories, but you don’t get to DISMISS them. They are 100% canon as defined by forum rules. You don’t like the language in a canon book, I don’t care. That doesn’t mean thor is lying!
Since you think handwaving is such a great debate strategy, I can’t wait to try it on you later. 👆
Yep, destroying planets one by one means you destroy the universe.Yep, no hyperbole there sir.
The destruction was speeding up and galaxies were falling:
quick, handwave it away!!1! lol
Like Infinity, the sword is also retconned. It signals Asgardian ragnarok/death of the person who wields it, not destruction of the universe.
Yes, the power was said to belong to infinity—it was drawn out of odin. Retcon. 👆
And yes, the sword was retconned—ragnarok is the end of asgard—the end of….everything, is ALSO the end of asgard. Hence the reason why the sword coming free was shown—to signify the end of asgard—and everything else—was imminent. This level of comprehension might simply be beyond you I guess. /shrug
But hey, at least Odin destroyed planets. Revel in the feat Leo. [/B]
And defeated a true universal level threat with the portion of an abstract’s power WHILE he was weakened. 👆
And you call me trolling?
Yes. Repeatedly. And I think everyone can see why.
Heven wasn't torn away, it was only hidden. And the shield was broken by Thor.
Hence why when Thor broke the shield, Heven was connected to Yggdrasil again.That's why when Thor shattered the seal, Tenth Realm was connected to the rest of the realms.
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The sheer audacity of the lies here is…astounding. Do you think everyone in the world is simply too dumb to see through your bullsh!t?
IN YOUR OWN SCAN IT SAYS “HEVEN IS [B]ONCE MORE CONNECTED TO THE WORLD TREE! Again, I don’t even have words for what you’re trying to pawn off here.
Heven was TORN FREE of the tree. When loki and thor shattered the spell that KEPT it separate, it….ONCE MORE WAS ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE TREE! This is self evident even in YOUR scan!
It was the same barrier Odin put on old Asgard.
“less invisible than yours, but no less impregnable”
But the same spell. 😐
Again creating your own narrative. I really don’t know how you’re still part of the forum. JUST LET THE F******* SCAN SPEAK FOR ITSELF. We REALLY don’t need you forcing your warped interpretations on a scene. People can understand what’s ACTUALLY happening without you muddling things.
Wut? The "universe" was Old Asgard, here is the full context of the scene.
And here is the one section where you are actually 100% correct. And unlike you I will own up to the error. I read this entire sh!tty arc years ago when it first came out but barely paid attention, clearly, as very little stuck with me. I plead guilty to short-cutting my claim about the hut. I recalled the hut, and the tearing of the world so I took some random site at its word. Not something I typically do but in my frustration I took a short cut. Don’t worry, won’t happen again. Too bad for you.
But if you want universes, here is Mordru creating seven pocket universes and hiding them in boxes.https://i.postimg.cc/Y0m4bdsK/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/hhWXwVkJ/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/66DzwgwZ/image.jpg
Yeah, don't worry, I’ll look into these soon, given how your other mordru scans turned out (see below). But where exactly is mordru creating….anything in your scans…? Show him CREATING these pocket worlds please.
Yes, the same Seth who under the same writer was stomped by Thunderstrike with bloodaxe.
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Handwave, lowball. You are something else. who cares how he was portrayed in a different arc. it doesn't detract from what happened when ODIN fought him. such a pathetic effort at lowballing a feat....
Right, not even Spectre could nullify Nabu's control over Kent and Inza's souls.That should tell you how powerful Nabu/Mordru are.
Lol yeah, cuz spectre has hardly any poor showings and is sooooo consistent in its portrayal. Despite that, we’ve SEEN spectre literally one-shot nabu--twice:
so yeah, you’re right, it DOES tell me how powerful they are.
Haha, why don't you show something like this for Odin?Mordru orchestrates Mysa to gain full power since he was drained by Darkseid. He also gives her enough strength to oneshot J'onn.
https://s6.postimg.cc/5lkpasx9t/LSH43-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/w827ww7sh/LSH43-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/8v8rs4h2p/LSH44-07.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/3rhi3x5yp/LSH44-08.jpg
Lol enough strength to one-shot an ancient jonn who struggled to lift a small boulder??
uber impressive. 👆
and I fail to see why I, or anyone, should be impressed by him using his coven to help him cast a spell that lets him absorb her power. The whole thing was PLANNED by him! He prepped for the whole thing—from the statue to the spell his coven worked together to cast that combined their power. He couldn’t have accomplished ANYTHING of note there on his own. Boks is right—what the hell DOES he ever do on his own….?
Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.
https://s6.postimg.cc/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg
Holy sh!t can you ever misrepresent things. It’s staggering. It’s a legit super power of yours.
Again, he accomplished nothing without prep and on his own in this entire scene. I do like the part where he says he is at “full power” though. Lolol even while he’s at FULL POWER Mysa and a couple of her friends resist him easily and break his spell! Lol yeah, that’s WAYYYY impressive. Odin has said he has power to overthrow a universe and you laugh it off, but when mordru says he has power to take the universe by force everyone else is supposed to accept it and be in awe?? lololol
As far as warping the entire universe—lol proven to be hyperbole. The spell wasn’t just his anyway, and it had been prepped. He even states that he RETAINED mysa’s combined power after the interference so it wasn’t through his POWER that he was threatening to bring about the reign of mordru timeline—it was through a prepped spell that he couldn’t have cast alone.
Damn, I wonder if you ACTUALLY believe your own bullsh!t…? if it really was through his own power, why not just….cast it again? Like I said—and he said—he still retained his full combined power….. hell later on as we'll see he was even MORE powerful than he'd ever been, but no white out! why i wonder. mmm
To repeat, none of what he did in the scenes abhi showed was accomplished on his own, or without prep. mordru himself says it:
“WE” must complete our work. The spell that raised the dead was—AGAIN—a prepped spell (he needed the bodies of the saints to cast it) that he had help from his coven casting! This isn’t mordru with prep and help vs odin—SHOW HIM DOING SOMETHING ON HIS OWN!
And again, why the f*** should I be impressed by this spell anyway? I mean I guess it’s cool enough, but it affected a single galaxy, needed tons of prep, not to mention he needed help CASTING it over such distance, it was originally going to last only 90 hours (lol) until he got MORE help, and then the power that kept it going was extinguished by a simple avalanche! LOLOL
oh, I know, even after the avalanche he took some time to once again recast the spell but it was exhausting him. Overall the feat was….cool enough I guess, but hardly what I’d call super impressive when compared to someone who can tear free an entire universe. stop portraying something as more than it is.
Mordru vs Legion and Amethyst. Mordru casually tosses forces of entire stars at legion and defeats Legion+Amethyst. He is beaten when Devilon reflects his own power at Mordru.
https://s6.postimg.cc/6f2d0j9m9/LSH47-17.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/tuka5vtdd/LSH47-18.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/pmphx4rxt/LSH47-19.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/pnzfqjtrl/LSH47-20.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/9e99nnj3l/LSH47-21.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/opj2o9gfl/LSH47-22.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ebrfmiagh/LSH47-23.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ft8akbptd/LSH47-24.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/qilzcl1m9/LSH48-02.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/n2yggrtrl/LSH48-03.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/ygkzrz4a9/LSH48-04.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7mkw6hp4h/LSH48-05.jpg
Let me guess, actually warping entire universe and THEN making dead rise across the whole galaxy by a broken spell is not a galactic level feat.
Bwhahah! You….seriously think that is impressive?? It was a team-buster feat ffs! He threw the power of a star?? Lolol you scream hyperbole at my scans and accept THAT? And even if it was, mordru, by his OWN admission, was more powerful than EVER!
and all he could muster was STAR level power?? Geezus. Could you BE any more of a blind, desperate fanboy?? I bet you make people who may actually LIKE the character really angry by misrepresenting him as grossly as you do. Odin’s battles casually destroy GALAXIES as per narration (that you handwave away…..lol) yet I’m impressed because he beat a weak version of legion and was ko’d by his own…star level powers?? Holy f*** what a waste of time this was.
Nothing you posted is remotely impressive against what Mordru has done.
Yeah, needing loads of prep, loads of help, beating a weak legion team when he became more powerful than he has EVER been, and throwing around star-level power before being dumb enough to ko himself is VERY impressive! Even when he woke up he got his a$$ kicked again and mysa could have killed him had she wished. 😆 that….really was not a great arc for showcasing him as a skyfather bro.
Oh well, at least people can now see for themselves what a troll you have become, and just how badly you twist and misrepresent….pretty well everything you claim.
i may or may not waste time dissecting your jsa scans. after seeing what you did to the above scans i'm not sure i have the stomach....
all right, i don't normally get into these large scale debates anymore but there is simply too much idiocy not to address. i'll confess to having taken a short cut at one point though, and being correctly called out on it though.
i expand later on. despite that, there is so much misinformation in abhi's posts that i felt i needed to reply to it. because of how he posts, it's required lengthy responses though so tl/dr is firmly in play. lol you've been warned....
This is false bravado at best and delusion at its worst. I have been warned? Oh no, what shall I do?
Nice bio. I now fully understand why you were reticent regarding the posting of that scan. That’s a bio from the master edition of the handbook. Notice the 3 little circles at the top. They came as individually wrapped packages of characters back in….1991! geezus!! You’re using a bio from almost 30 years ago to justify your stance!?? Why am I not surprised….. anyway, the scans celey showed is MUCH more recent. And THIS is marvel’s CURRENT bio as relates to infinity:
So you want to dismiss the actual handbook to a wiki on Marvel website? No wonder you have no idea what you are talking about. The same was confirmed in Quasa 19, comic+handbook trumps silly wiki information.
the pertinent info: Long ago the Asgardian all-father Odin added a tiny sliver of infinity's powers to his own powers, which were later stolen and corrupted by the Asgardian death-goddess Hela.
you really are unreal….
Ah right, I should also go on by fifty year old comic (how silly am I to use thirty year old handbook) and wiki pages. Silly me, leo you have opened my eyes.
You’re partly right—odin was about to be beaten BECAUSE when he saw who infinity was, he stopped fighting and in his anguish, gave infinity the chance to take him over.
Haha, wut? Odin was in mental thrall of Infinity.
When the merger (infinity wanted to take over odin to return to its full power) was halted and odin understood what he was facing, odin literally ended the battle easily:
Because he was tapping into the power of Infinity silly. Nothing from that arc was solely by his own power.
and now people know exactly what REALLY happened. Hela withdrew the abstract infinity’s power OUT of odin. Odin battled an aspect of abstract infinity+his own power for multiple issues. The infinity part of himself was an actual universal level threat and was indeed going to end the universe as was mentioned several times. In the end he defeated infinity easily. There is no mention of what happened to the abstract infinity’s powers afterward but marvel wants you to think it simply….went away after odin reabsorbed his own power back. Abhi can’t point to a time the power of infinity left odin (as he wants you to believe odin was still tapping it), nor can he explain away the CURRENT info.
Iow—he is blatantly lying and inventing a narrative of his own that will show odin in the poorest light.
Right, me and Quasar 19 and actual handbook of the marvel universe are lying because Leo and marvel wiki say so.
How easy it is to claim something like that, eh?
It’s worth looking at abhi’s 30 yr old bio though, because it’s valuable in the sense that it literally SHOWS you how adept he is at inventing his own narrative. Notice that in his posted bio, there is NO mention of odin using infinity’s power to undo the damage to the universe. In fact, the bio’s description ENDS with thor and the others interrupting the merger. It doesn’t even touch at all on the aftermath, leading us to believe infinity’s part in the arc ended with the stopping of the merger.
It literally says that Odin tapped into the power of Infinity from Thor 184-188. That is not suffice for you, eh? You need to be spoonfed like this?
But not in abhi’s world. Lol
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You are literally hysterical now.
It also says ODIN used the power to create an “astronomical manifestation.” But of course, HELA created the manifestation, as seen on panel and mentioned in current bios. And you wonder why that ancient bio was updated. Ugh…..
Its called a retcon leo, there is a reason for it.
I also really like how, earlier, abhi tries to twist a scan that says….nothing at all, really, to fit his invented narrative:
this scan is meaningless. It says odin tapped abstract infinity’s powers. That’s it. No context, no…nothing.
Ah right, unless it gives word by word analysis for the comic its meaningless. Odin being amped means nothing yo!
The retcon is terrible, does nothing really to reduce odin’s feat since he BEAT the infinity entity in the end and with his own power undid all the damage infinity did. It’s a great feat for odin, no matter how you want to interpret the retcon.
That was the retcon leo, odin was tapping into the power of Infinity all the time in the arc.
For knowingly using out-dated info to support an invented narrative? You think odin continued to tap infinity AFTER hela pulled it out of him?
SHOW A SCAN WHERE THE POWER OF INFINITY LEFT HIM then. SHOW PROOF HE HAD INFINITY’S POWER WHEN HE REFORMED THE DAMAGED UNIVERSE! Proof that doesn’t come from a 30 yr old bio.
Why would a 30 year bio would not be usable when the comic itself is literally 50+ year old?
Should I use a wiki instead?
Or admit you made your interpretation up deliberately.
What an absurd claim of authority? Who the hell do you think you are? I posted official comic and official handbook of marvel, if you dont like it, complain to marvel.
Holy f***. MORE handwaving?? Again resorting to simply dismissing the word of a character ON PANEL.
Like where planets were disappearing one by one?
Seriously, what the honest to gawd F*** do you think you’re doing? You can laugh at the language of these silver age stories, but you don’t get to DISMISS them. They are 100% canon as defined by forum rules. You don’t like the language in a canon book, I don’t care. That doesn’t mean thor is lying!
Yes, making planets disappear one by one is such a great feat. I agree with that.
Since you think handwaving is such a great debate strategy, I can’t wait to try it on you later.
Are you under the impression that you are doing something other than that here?
The destruction was speeding up and galaxies were falling:
quick, handwave it away!!1! lol
That scan comes after Odin claims galaxy was falling.
First three scans are from Thor 185, rest are from Thor 186 where the scientists seeing the fight states that only planets are being destroyed one by one. It is simple enough that even you may understand it, though I doubt it.
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And yes, the sword was retconned—ragnarok is the end of asgard—the end of….everything, is ALSO the end of asgard. Hence the reason why the sword coming free was shown—to signify the end of asgard—and everything else—was imminent. This level of comprehension might simply be beyond you I guess. /shrug
Except no, it only signals Ragnarok, not the destruction of the universe.
And defeated a true universal level threat with the portion of an abstract’s power WHILE he was weakened.
Your fanfiction is not allowed here Leo.
Yes. Repeatedly. And I think everyone can see why.
Are you trying to win a popularity contest here?
The sheer audacity of the lies here is…astounding. Do you think everyone in the world is simply too dumb to see through your bullsh!t?
IN YOUR OWN SCAN IT SAYS “HEVEN IS [B]ONCE MORE CONNECTED TO THE WORLD TREE! Again, I don’t even have words for what you’re trying to pawn off here.
Heven was TORN FREE of the tree. When loki and thor shattered the spell that KEPT it separate, it….ONCE MORE WAS ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE TREE! This is self evident even in YOUR scan!
https://imgur.com/a/D9auVqL
https://imgur.com/a/bNQrMPV
What the **** are you talking about? You are wearing thin on my patience Leo, till now I've respected you that you will at least read the scans.
Holy ****, Loki straight up says that the shield sorrounding Asgard is just like Heven.
And if Heven was torn away from Yggdrasil, how the **** was it connected to it by just breaking the seal?
Again creating your own narrative. I really don’t know how you’re still part of the forum. JUST LET THE F******* SCAN SPEAK FOR ITSELF. We REALLY don’t need you forcing your warped interpretations on a scene. People can understand what’s ACTUALLY happening without you muddling things.
What the actual ****? What warped interpretations? I'm literally citing what's on panel.
And here is the one section where you are actually 100% correct. And unlike you I will own up to the error. I read this entire sh!tty arc years ago when it first came out but barely paid attention, clearly, as very little stuck with me. I plead guilty to short-cutting my claim about the hut. I recalled the hut, and the tearing of the world so I took some random site at its word. Not something I typically do but in my frustration I took a short cut. Don’t worry, won’t happen again. Too bad for you.
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Yeah, right.
Yeah, don't worry, I’ll look into these soon, given how your other mordru scans turned out (see below). But where exactly is mordru creating….anything in your scans…? Show him CREATING these pocket worlds please.
Oh right, the claim which you never refuted, eh?
"Mordru specifically created it as a box"
Handwave, lowball. You are something else. who cares how he was portrayed in a different arc. it doesn't detract from what happened when ODIN fought him. such a pathetic effort at lowballing a feat....
Because characters power differ from arc to arc, eh?
It's pretty much an outlier for both Seth and Odin.
Lol yeah, cuz spectre has hardly any poor showings and is sooooo consistent in its portrayal. Despite that, we’ve SEEN spectre literally one-shot nabu--twice:
https://imgur.com/a/liS89Tu
so yeah, you’re right, it DOES tell me how powerful they are.
Different arcs and different writers of course. If it works for Seth and Odin, it works for Nabu, eh?
And Spectre has never jobbed like Odin has. Or Mephisto.
Lol enough strength to one-shot an ancient jonn who struggled to lift a small boulder??
https://imgur.com/a/ptyzsMW
uber impressive.
That's just the context of the scene Leo.
and I fail to see why I, or anyone, should be impressed by him using his coven to help him cast a spell that lets him absorb her power. The whole thing was PLANNED by him! He prepped for the whole thing—from the statue to the spell his coven worked together to cast that combined their power. He couldn’t have accomplished ANYTHING of note there on his own. Boks is right—what the hell DOES he ever do on his own….?
Do you have the same deficiency beatboks has? He was weakened, he absorbed Mysa to gain his full power and then started to change the whole ****ing universe with one spell and its not impressive?
Get the **** out.
Holy sh!t can you ever misrepresent things. It’s staggering. It’s a legit super power of yours.
Again, he accomplished nothing without prep and on his own in this entire scene. I do like the part where he says he is at “full power” though. Lolol even while he’s at FULL POWER Mysa and a couple of her friends resist him easily and break his spell! Lol yeah, that’s WAYYYY impressive. Odin has said he has power to overthrow a universe and you laugh it off, but when mordru says he has power to take the universe by force everyone else is supposed to accept it and be in awe?? lololol
As far as warping the entire universe—lol proven to be hyperbole. The spell wasn’t just his anyway, and it had been prepped. He even states that he RETAINED mysa’s combined power after the interference so it wasn’t through his POWER that he was threatening to bring about the reign of mordru timeline—it was through a prepped spell that he couldn’t have cast alone.
This is just hysterical. It wasn't Mordru who said that, we actually see the universe changing here.
And what the **** are you talking about prep? It was just to absorb Mysa to get back to full power, everything else he did on his own power.
Are you blind or something?
Damn, I wonder if you ACTUALLY believe your own bullsh!t…? if it really was through his own power, why not just….cast it again? Like I said—and he said—he still retained his full combined power….. hell later on as we'll see he was even MORE powerful than he'd ever been, but no white out! why i wonder.
Right, because he was not at full power due to Mysa resisting him and even then he made dead rise across the galaxy.
But hey Mordru need to repeat everything to access his feats. Odin doesn't, right? His one time feats are his average, eh?
To repeat, none of what he did in the scenes abhi showed was accomplished on his own, or without prep. mordru himself says it:
https://imgur.com/a/3IyPqGZ
“WE” must complete our work. The spell that raised the dead was—AGAIN—a prepped spell (he needed the bodies of the saints to cast it) that he had help from his coven casting! This isn’t mordru with prep and help vs odin—SHOW HIM DOING SOMETHING ON HIS OWN!
What the ****? It was his own spell and power and when he was stopped the dead stopped rising.
This is just pathetic, even for you.
And again, why the f*** should I be impressed by this spell anyway? I mean I guess it’s cool enough, but it affected a single galaxy, needed tons of prep, not to mention he needed help CASTING it over such distance, it was originally going to last only 90 hours (lol) until he got MORE help, and then the power that kept it going was extinguished by a simple avalanche! LOLOL
https://imgur.com/a/BUaykzq
oh, I know, even after the avalanche he took some time to once again recast the spell but it was exhausting him. Overall the feat was….cool enough I guess, but hardly what I’d call super impressive when compared to someone who can tear free an entire universe. stop portraying something as more than it is.
Right and who exhausted himself resurrecting Thor and Valkyrie's mortal bodies.
https://s6.postimg.cc/djr2c6iy9/Thor_V1_300-010.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/52rk19e9d/Thor_V1_300-011.jpg
From your favorite comic Thor 300. Forget raising the dead across galaxy, Odin would be lucky to raise dead across a planet.
And Heven is just a city, it's a pocket realm and even then Odin never tore it free, he just hid it.
Bwhahah! You….seriously think that is impressive?? It was a team-buster feat ffs! He threw the power of a star?? Lolol you scream hyperbole at my scans and accept THAT? And even if it was, mordru, by his OWN admission, was more powerful than EVER!
https://imgur.com/a/DuHJQ7w
Yeah, how can this be compared to Odin whose combined power with Zeus and Vishnu had the power to move a world.
He has confirmed destroying a planet is immeasurable power even to him.
https://i.postimg.cc/FHYxBmKg/image.jpg
He has died powering a planet's defenses for one week.
https://s6.postimg.cc/pt5hp3drl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/puffiifld/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/7b154uvzl/image.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/j1f2m8os1/image.jpg
*GASP*
If you think Odin is galaxy level on consistent basis, you're delusional just like the rest of Thorbags.
Amethyst is a proper Lord of Order (a race of skyfather level beings) and you think this is just a teambuster level feat, eh?
and all he could muster was STAR level power?? Geezus. Could you BE any more of a blind, desperate fanboy?? I bet you make people who may actually LIKE the character really angry by misrepresenting him as grossly as you do. Odin’s battles casually destroy GALAXIES as per narration (that you handwave away…..lol)
"Dead galaxies" and one time only. Otherwise he is star level at best.
Mordru has shown galactic/universal level power at least 5 times in 100 odd appearances. Odin has shown it once/twice in 1000+ appearances.
But you think Odin is more consistent than Mordru, eh?
yet I’m impressed because he beat a weak version of legion and was ko’d by his own…star level powers?? Holy f*** what a waste of time this was.
Right, because Odin has never been koed by his own power or even killed which didn't even destroy the street beneath him.
This was even an amped Odin on Tarene's power. Such galactic level power, eh?
Yeah, needing loads of prep, loads of help, beating a weak legion team when he became more powerful than he has EVER been, and throwing around star-level power before being dumb enough to ko himself is VERY impressive! Even when he woke up he got his a$$ kicked again and mysa could have killed him had she wished.
that….really was not a great arc for showcasing him as a skyfather bro.
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Only a true Thorbag can claim Mordru transformimg entire universe at full power and throwing stars casually means he isn't a skyfather.
Congrats on being converted in a full Thorbag, your IQ matches theirs now.
Still nothing from Odin which even remotely matches Mordru's feats.
Oh well, at least people can now see for themselves what a troll you have become, and just how badly you twist and misrepresent….pretty well everything you claim.
i may or may not waste time dissecting your jsa scans. after seeing what you did to the above scans i'm not sure i have the stomach....
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Tell us how Odin compressed a universe in a hut and how he tore away heven.
Such idiocy, just Mind boggling. Sad how far you've fallen.
Anyway, here are the best of Mordru. Far better average than Odin despite appearing in 1/10th issues as Odin does.
Destroys and drains Infinite Man along with Glorith. Its better than anything Odin has ever done. The power was explicitly enough to make Mordru one with EVERYTHING in space and time at once.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/33qiz1v4q/
Then starts a spell which was warping entire universe. The spell gets broken due to resistance from Mysa but even the broken spell makes the dead rise across the galaxy.
https://s6.postimg.cc/l0xz2ivsh/LSH44-09.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/gmfuftpip/LSH44-10.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/f8o7kiq9d/LSH44-11.jpg
https://s6.postimg.cc/lmickw1gx/LSH46-01.jpg
Using Mordru spell and far less than his own power, his disciples cover entire universe in darkness to drain it of its magic.
Mordru had also absorbed every bit of magic in Legion universe.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mH3AQZmWS5k/VjOaWUFcJJI/AAAAAAARvoU/b3GvdBi6K_k/s1600/24_07.jpg
And he further absorbed Earth 247 magic as well. Yet one spell from Mordru allowed Mysa to drain the entire power inside her.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/24ipsladg/
And how powerful is Legion universe magic? When Arch Mage was getting free in Magic Wars, his mere presence made scientific rules to go haywire across the universe.
https://postimg.cc/gallery/huvthd50/
And these are just from hundred odd appearances of Mordru excluding his Earh 247 and threeboot appearances.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/mordru/4005-4904/
While Odin has 1000+ appearances and yet not one true universal showing in his name.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/odin/4005-3507/
Yet, a few of Odins galactic level feats are supposed to be average but Mordru's feats are not his average.
Funny how that works.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you want to dismiss the actual handbook to a wiki on Marvel website? No wonder you have no idea what you are talking about. The same was confirmed in Quasa 19, comic+handbook trumps silly wiki information.
let's but through all your bullsh!t. all the idiocy that follows this bit is drivel. the quasar scan confirms odin was tapping infinity--no one has denied this. he was. the quasar scan does NOT contradict the CURRENT bios which ACCOUNT for infinity's part. infinity's power was WITHDRAWN from him by hela. confirmed in black and white, in multiple CURRENT sources.
but enough of your blatant stupidity. i'm happy to ask a mod to rule on this issue. if they rule in my favor, you agree to a voluntary ban. the issue is simple--in the forum, do we accept current info (that does NOT contradict what was shown in that quasar issue) or do we accept info that is 30 years old and doesn't even reflect accurately what took place in the original source material?
i'll pm galan. bada or pr right now to render a ruling if you agree. simple enough for you?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you trying to win a popularity contest here?What the **** are you talking about? You are wearing thin on my patience Leo, till now I've respected you that you will at least read the scans.
Holy ****, Loki straight up says that the shield sorrounding Asgard is just like Heven.
And if Heven was torn away from Yggdrasil, how the **** was it connected to it by just breaking the seal?
this is staggering.... you...can't be serious here. the spells may have been similar, but you can't say they are the same--because they were....DIFFERENT. 😂
and guess what happens when i interrupt an electrical circuit?? the flow of electricity STOPS! 😱 know why? because the circuit is no longer connected! the pieces are (say it with me.....) SEPARATED!! that's what odin did. tore the universe from the tree, cast it into the void and hid it from EVERYONE, for 1000s of years.
just because you can't understand it doesn't mean you get to dismiss the feat. 😂
Oh right, the claim which you never refuted, eh?"Mordru specifically created it as a box"
show me making the box!
wait, you can't? so it happened off panel?! no way..... so we have no idea how much prep or help he had making them??
shocking. 😐
and a non-feat without specific context. an off panel feat>>>>>impressive than odin, unaided, ripping a universe free and hiding it away! oh yeah. and the best part: the odin force was so powerful, that the curse he levelled was powerful enough to power the whole UNIVERSE of heven!
it was their engine for 1000s of years. yeah, mordru's prepped and aided raising the dead feat is much better. 👆
the rest of the post is typical abhi excuses for what is clearly a prepped and aided feat of raising the dead. it's all his power! 😂
yeah that's why the coven was there, that's why lackeys spy for him and ready....volcanoes for when he fails.
and why at the greatest he's ever been, he ko's himself because of the universal level devilon! 😂
you're making this too easy and killing actual fans of this character with your idiocy.
