Nekron vs Classic Beyonder · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
With the Light gone, Nekron reasserts himself in the physical universe.

Nekron cannot break free of his dimension and enter the mainstream universe on his own-- he has never been able to(even during Blackest Night.) Want scans? 🙂

So again: where has it been stated that Nekron is able to 'reassert' himself in the universe after it is destroyed?

xJLxKing Senior Member

Nekron needed black hand to cross over, if all things are dead, hope does he cross over.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop
Exactly like the conditions that pre-existed the universe?
🙄

The scan outright says that the universe isn't timeless, as there is no beginning or end to the universe.

Your flimsy comeback is still a flimsy comeback.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Nekron cannot break free of his dimension and enter the mainstream universe on his own-- he has never been able to(even during Blackest Night.) Want scans? 🙂
So again: where has it been stated that Nekron is able to 'reassert' himself in the universe after it is destroyed?

Nekron was the sentient darkness in mainstream reality till Light/Life/Mater showed up. Once the Light/Life/Matter is gone, the universe returns to it's rightful tenants. The darkness/void/Nekron.

Endless Death does Nekron's work for him.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The scan outright says that the universe isn't timeless, as there is no beginning or end to the universe.
Your flimsy comeback is still a flimsy comeback.

Earlier the writer stated it was a void till matter/light/life appeared. Take it up with him and stop acting like 12 year old.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop

Nekron was the sentient darkness in mainstream reality till Light/Life/Mater showed up. Once the Light/Life/Matter is gone, the universe returns to it's rightful tenants. The darkness/void/Nekron.
Endless Death does Nekron's work for him.

That was what Nekron planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension. If he isn't released when the universe comes to an end, then he isn't going to 'reassert' himself anywhere.

Anyway, when creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of Death 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
That was what Nekron planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension. If he isn't released when the universe comes to an end, then he isn't going to 'reassert' himself anywhere.
Anyway, when creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of her 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. thumb up

Dude, he wasn't imprisoned/banished till AFTER the Light/Life/Matter asserted itself. He was trying to get the universe back to it's void/black/matterless state. And the whole thing is CYCLICAL.

I know he doesn't play a part in that, he's what's left when she's done. This isn't rocket science .

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude, he wasn't imprisoned/banished till AFTER the Light/Life/Matter asserted itself. He was trying to get the universe back to it's void/black/matterless state. And the whole thing is CYCLICAL.
I know he doesn't play a part in that, he's what's left when she's done. This isn't rocket science .

I've seen DC universes destroyed several times-- never did I see Nekron usurp the blank void of nothingness that remained from within the confines of his dimension, however. You're opinion here doesn't supersede canon fact, zop.

And again:
When creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. What part of "ONLY" do you not grasp?

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
I've seen DC universes destroyed several times-- never did I see Nekron usurp the blank void of nothingness that remained from within the confines of his dimension, however. You're opinion here doesn't supersede canon fact, zop.
And again:
When creation comes to an end, Death of the Endless will be the ONLY 'thing'/concept left-- this was confirmed on panel. Then it's just a matter of 'locking creation behind her' and returning to her realm. Nekron doesn't play a part in that. What part of "ONLY" do you not grasp?

Who said Nekron plays a role in anything she does as part of her duties?

I'm saying the AFTERMATH of her job is a black, lifeless universe which is EXACTLY what Nekron sprang from and what he wants to happen.

I showed you the scans.

And when DCU was destroyed those several times, where was Endless Death? Ooops............ 🙄

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Who said Nekron plays a role in anything she does as part of her duties?
I'm saying the AFTERMATH of her job is a black, lifeless universe which is EXACTLY what Nekron sprang from and what he wants to happen.
I showed you the scans.

You showed me a scan of what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released from his limbo dimension. You failed to provide scans stating that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension, can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

Given that throughout Nekron's history he has ALWAYS required outside assistance to break free of his dimension, I find you logic to be.... Entirely fictitious, really.

Originally posted by zopzop
And when DCU was destroyed those several times, where was Endless Death? Ooops............ 🙄

Sitting in her dimension watching it happen..? Just like she watched Blackest Night happen without a care in the word..?

As she said: "It's not a big deal." 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
You showed me a scan of what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released from his limbo dimension. You failed to provide scans stating that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension, can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.
Given that throughout Nekron's history he has ALWAYS required outside assistance to break free of his dimension, I find you logic to be.... Entirely fictitious, really.

He was "out and about" when the universe was a lifeless void. Once life/light/matter emerged he was expelled and trapped in Purgatory (which he rules). He wants to return the universe to it's lifeless/black/void state. These events are CYCLICAL.

I showed you the scan.

Sitting in her dimension watching it happen..? Just like she watched Blackest Night happen without a care in the word..?
As she said: "It's not a big deal." 👆

So she says AFTER the fact. Her @$$ was nowhere to be seen when Nekron was out and about.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Your tricks won't work on me, dear zop... I am fully aware that you are outright dodging my query. 👆

Again:
Show me a scan which states/shows that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension(key words), can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.

If you fail to provide said evidence in your next, regrettably imminent, post, then I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists, and you are talking completely out of your ass. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Your tricks won't work on me, dear zop... I am fully aware that you are outright dodging my query. 👆
Again:
Show me a scan which states/shows that Nekron, while still trapped in his dimension(key words), can 'reassert' himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed.
If you fail to provide said evidence in your next, regrettably imminent, post, then I will take it as your concession that no such evidence exists, and you are talking completely out of your ass. 👆

Show me where I stated Nekron can do anything to the physical universe while trapped in his kingdom.

I've been saying what I've said all along, once Endless Death does her job, the aftermath is what Nekron spawned from and wants : a black/lifeless/matterless/void.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ You originally said that Nekron can reassert himself into the universe after it has been destroyed, whether he's still trapped in his dimension or not. I simply want proof to back up your claim.

Can you provide said proof, or not?

Mindset Senior Member

Guys, shut up.

Beyonder wins, nothing else matters.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
^ You originally said that Nekron can reassert himself into the universe after it has been destroyed, whether he's still trapped in his dimension or not. I simply want proof to back up your claim.
Can you provide said proof, or not?

Once light/life is gone and the universe is in it's black/lifeless/void state, he's out.

I showed you the panel. Why you keep ignoring it is beyond me. It's once life/light/matter reassert themselves that he's forced back out and into his Purgatory kingdom. This pattern is cyclical.

Originally posted by Mindset
Guys, shut up.
Beyonder wins, nothing else matters.

No one stated otherwise.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Once light/life is gone and the universe is in it's black/lifeless/void state, he's out.
I showed you the panel. Why you keep ignoring it is beyond me. It's once life/light/matter reassert themselves that he's forced back out and into his Purgatory kingdom. This pattern is cyclical.

No, zop. A shit-ton of universes in DC have been destroyed over the years, yet Nekron has still never once been freed from his dimension without [massive] outside assistance. So per DC canon, you're wrong.

All you have done is provide a scan stating what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released. I want a evidence to back up your claim that if the universe is destroyed, then Nekron's ties to his dimension are broken, and he is free to reassert himself in the blank void that remains.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by zopzop

No one stated otherwise.

Then stop flopzopping your gums.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
No, zop. A shit-ton of universes in DC have been destroyed over the years, yet Nekron has still never once been freed from his dimension without [massive] outside assistance. So per DC canon, you're wrong.

According to your brilliant logic, so are you. How many times was the universe ended and Endless Death was nowhere to be found? FAIL.

All you have done is provide a scan stating what Nekron planned to do AFTER he'd already been released. I want a evidence to back up your claim that if the universe is destroyed, then Nekron's ties to his dimension are broken, and he is free to reassert himself in the blank void that remains.

What "after"? He was the darkness/void/whatever in mainline DC universe BEFORE the Light/Life/Matter expelled him. He was there FIRST. That's why he continually referred to the light/living/matter as "trespassers"

exactly what that Black Lantern said to Mera and Atom when she was explaining the origin of the universe to them :

He, Nekron, was "here" first.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
According to your brilliant logic, so are you. How many times was the universe ended and Endless Death was nowhere to be found? FAIL.

Lol, this red herring literally has nothing to do with... Anything.

Originally posted by zopzop
What "after"? He was the darkness/void/whatever in mainline DC universe BEFORE the Light/Life/Matter expelled him. He was there FIRST. That's why he continually referred to the light/living/matter as "trespassers"

exactly what that Black Lantern said to Mera and Atom when she was explaining the origin of the universe to them :

He, Nekron, was "here" first.

Same scans. More dodging. Concession accepted. 👆

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, this red herring literally has nothing to do with... Anything.

Wrong. If DCU being destroyed and recreated multiple times disproves the Blackest Night statements then they also disprove your Endless Death example because she was also nowhere to be found.

Same scans. More dodging. Concession accepted. 👆

The proof is RIGHT THERE. Nekron was "here" first that's why he refers to the living/the Light as trespassers. Then the Light/Life/Matter invaded and he was deposed. He seeks to return the universe to it's void/black state. It's not like I'm making this up. IT'S RIGHT THERE!