Nekron vs Classic Beyonder · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. If DCU being destroyed and recreated multiple times disproves the Blackest Night statements then they also disprove your Endless Death example because she was also nowhere to be found.

Lol, wtf?

Originally posted by zopzop
The proof is RIGHT THERE. Nekron was "here" first that's why he refers to the living/the Light as trespassers. Then the Light/Life/Matter invaded and he was deposed. He seeks to return the universe to it's void/black state. It's not like I'm making this up. IT'S RIGHT THERE!

Yes, that IS what he planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension via outside assistance. What I am asking for, however, is proof that Nekron, while still trapped within his dimension, can assert himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed, like you're claiming.

You've provided no evidence of the sort. You sure have been fishing a lot, though. Tell me: how does red herring taste this time of year?

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop
Earlier the writer stated it was a void till matter/light/life appeared. Take it up with him and stop acting like 12 year old.

So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?

Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, wtf?

It was YOUR example. I just pointed out how it doesn't make any sense. The DC universe was destroyed MULTIPLE times and Endless Death was nowhere to be found. Your example works against you just as much as it works against what was stated in Blackest Night.

Yes, that IS what he planned to do after he'd already been released from his dimension via outside assistance. What I am asking for, however, is proof that Nekron, while still trapped within his dimension, can assert himself into the mainstream universe after it has been destroyed, like you're claiming.
You've provided no evidence of the sort. You sure have been fishing a lot, though. Tell me: how does red herring taste this time of year?

Dude, I can't tell if you are being serious anymore or just doing this to annoy me.

I JUST SHOWED YOU the scan. According to Blackest Night : Nekron was in the DC universe first. Then the Light/Life/Matter expelled him and he was trapped in his Purgatory kingdom. He seeks to return the universe to that black/void/lifeless state.

If the universe is returned to it's lifeless state (like what Endless Death is supposedly gonna do eventually), he's free of his Purgatory kingdom.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?
Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.

For sure it was immaterial otherwise he wouldn't have been pissed when Matter INVADED it. Just like the scan says.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
If the universe is returned to it's lifeless state (like what Endless Death is supposedly gonna do eventually), he's free of his Purgatory kingdom.

Lol, then why hasn't he reasserted himself the plethora of times the DCU has been destroyed in the past?

Your scan makes it clear that Nekron wanted to destroy the DCU and become the lifeless void left behind after he had already been released from his dimension. The scans say nothing about him having the ability to reassert himself while still contained in his purgatory dimension. You're making things up now.

Again: concession accepted. 🙂

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop
For sure it was immaterial otherwise he wouldn't have been pissed when Matter INVADED it. Just like the scan says.

You're doing the exact same thing that you did with the vacuum/void debacle. Equating life with matter.

Another flimsy comeback from you.

xJLxKing Senior Member

What I think zopzop is saying is that Nekron used the death of black hand to create a link into the universe from his dimension. When all life end, that link will be created because that someone (an immortal) will have died thus finishing the loop. Am I right, zopzop?

As far as Nekron is concerned however, I can't see how he is death. I reaffirm what I've said, he is the void. He is what was in the universe when it was lifeless, without purpose, and without any feeling like hope, will, fear..etc. When life started, this emptiness was given meaning. The entire speech that Hal preaches to Nekron/Black Hand was actually what the entire arc was about. It signified that life gave the universe meaning which it didn't have. When the universe dies, so does Nekron, he has no meaning, he was given meaning because of life. Death however, will still be there

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, then why hasn't he reasserted himself the plethora of times the DCU has been destroyed in the past?

Yeah and where was Endless Death? I thought she was supposed to "turn the lights out", yet she was MIA when DCU "has been destroyed in the past".

Your scan makes it clear that Nekron wanted to destroy the DCU and become the lifeless void left behind after he had already been released from his dimension. The scans say nothing about him having the ability to reassert himself while still contained in his purgatory dimension. You're making things up now.

Who said he could assert himself while contained in his Purgatory kingdom? You put those words into my mouth.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You're doing the exact same thing that you did with the vacuum/void debacle. Equating life with matter.
Another flimsy comeback from you.

Read the phucking scan. It says the darkness was there first then matter/light were created. It SPECIFICALLY mentions matter. So before that time the universe was at least immaterial.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Who said he could assert himself while contained in his Purgatory kingdom? You put those words into my mouth.

Where was it stated that Nekron's purgatory dimension vanishes when the universe is destroyed? If Death of the Endless' realm doesn't disappear when DC dies, then why would Nekron's? Again, you're making stuff up at this point.

This is sad. 👇

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop
Read the phucking scan. It says the darkness was there first then matter/light were created. It SPECIFICALLY mentions matter. So before that time the universe was at least immaterial.

This is what the phucking scan says:
"It took eons, but the Darkness manifested its own guardian. A defender that took on the collective image life created of death."

Basically speaking, Nekron was formed as a defensive response after life "invaded" the darkness. Which is zero proof that he existed in a spaceless, timeless, immaterial void. Which you'll try and twist regardless into the complete opposite, all the while ignoring the explanation given in your own scans, and going into the glopglop mode of "I M RITE!!YOUR RONG!!!!DURRR!!!!"

Oh and btw: flimsy comeback as usual.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Where was it stated that Nekron's purgatory dimension vanishes when the universe is destroyed? If Death of the Endless' realm doesn't disappear when DC dies, then why would Nekron's? Again, you're making stuff up at this point.
This is sad. 👇

Yes this is sad because I NEVER SAID THAT. His Purgatory prison is what it is. I said once the Light/Life is deposed he's free to roam about the black/void/lifeless husk that's left of the universe, since he was in the black/void/lifeless universe FIRST before Light/matter/life "invaded". Why do you think he kept referring to those things as "trespassers"?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

You're right, TGK. Nekron himself did not exist until AFTER life was spawned in the universe.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes this is sad because I NEVER SAID THAT. His Purgatory prison is what it is. I said once the Light/Life is deposed he's free to roam about the black/void/lifeless husk that's left of the universe, since he was in the black/void/lifeless universe FIRST before Light/matter/life "invaded". Why do you think he kept referring to those things as "trespassers"?

Where was it stated that Nekron is automatically free of his purgatory dimension after the universe is destroyed? You're making up entire fictitious events now.

Very sad. 👇

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
This is what the phucking scan says:
"It took eons, but the Darkness manifested its own guardian. A defender that took on the collective image life created of death."
Basically speaking, Nekron was formed as a defensive response after life "invaded" the darkness. Which is zero proof that he existed in a spaceless, timeless, immaterial void. Which you'll try and twist regardless into the complete opposite, all the while ignoring the explanation given in your own scans, and going into the glopglop mode of "I M RITE!!YOUR RONG!!!!DURRR!!!!"
Oh and btw: flimsy comeback as usual.

Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :

That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Where was it stated that Nekron is automatically free of his purgatory dimension after the universe is destroyed? You're making up entire fictitious events now.
Very sad. 👇

Then why would he seek to destroy the universe and return it to it's lifeless, Lightless, matterless state? He'd be free of his Purgatory kingdom.

xJLxKing Senior Member

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :

That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS.

All he says is I am darkness. Which is what it is, the void, the lifeless universe. He came to meaning when the universe was given life. Thus everyone else is a trespasser

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
Then why would he seek to destroy the universe and return it to it's lifeless, Lightless, matterless state? He'd be free of his Purgatory kingdom.

He sought to destroy the DCU AFTER he was already free of his purgatory dimension, zop. If he could have automatically been freed of said dimension just by the DCU getting destroyed, then he would have simply resurrected Anti-Monitor and let him destroy existence.

Face it: destroying the DCU doesn't auto-free Nekron from his dimension... That has never been stated anywhere.

TheGodKiller True Killer

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup formed from and IS the darkness that was there BEFORE matter and the Light 'invaded' the void :

That's why he refers to the Light/matter/etc.. as TRESPASSERS.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So no proof that it was a literal, spaceless, timeless, immaterial void?
Your flimsy comebacks are getting even flimsier.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
He sought to destroy the DCU AFTER he was already free of his purgatory dimension, zop. If he could have automatically been freed of said dimension just by the DCU getting destroyed, then he would have simply resurrected Anti-Monitor and let him destroy existence.

But the Anti-Monitor would have still been alive. He wants EVERYTHING dead and gone even matter.

Face it: destroying the DCU doesn't auto-free Nekron. Never has.

Yes, just like all those times destroying the DCU have Endless Death nowhere to be found. Lazy writers?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by zopzop
But the Anti-Monitor would have still been alive. He wants EVERYTHING dead and gone even matter. [/B]

Cool, then he could have simply resurrected AM, let him do all the grunt work of destroying the universe, then pop-in afterward and destroy AM alone.

In all seriousness zop, the notion that destroying the universe automatically frees Nekron from his dimension is purely your opinion, and cannot be backed by... Anything. Just admit it.

zopzop Lord of the Great Abyss

Originally posted by Galan007
Cool, then he could have simply resurrected AM, let him do all the grunt work of destroying the universe, then pop-in afterward and destroy AM alone.

AM is a failure. So he's not even good for that.

In all seriousness zop, the notion that destroying the universe automatically frees Nekron from his dimension is purely your opinion, and cannot be backed by... Anything. Just admit it.

Yes.

Just like all those times DCU was destroyed and Endless Death was nowhere to be found makes her statement about "closing the universe behind her" is just a meaningless statement from her "and cannot be backed up by...........Anything".